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If "faith" is sufficient, then why did Jesus perform miracles?

I have always been buffled by this contradiction.

As a Christian, your faith is supposed to be sufficient for you to believe. Jesus himself said "Blessed is he who has not seen and yet believes..." And yet the Bible shows him performing dozens of supernatural miracles.

As a second question:

All the people that believed very strongly in God, like Abraham, Moses, the 12 apostles of Jesus, and all the people that witnessed his powers, were subjected directly to the power of God by means of a supernatural revelation. One could argue that they would not have followed God's orders had He not showed them his Powers (by means of something supernatural).

So if everyone that TRULY believed in Him had some sort of visual evidence, why is it not OK for modern man to expect a revelation before he believes in God? Why do we have to make do with written scripture and "faith" alone?


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lol, really? of all the things in the bible that is what baffles you?

inherent inconsistancies in the bible number in the hundreds, I don't have the numbers with me, but anyone can google "bible inconsistancies" and see for themselves. Now talking about inconsistancies in the actual teachings, parables, sermons, etc... wow, it would be like watching deep space nine at a treck convention (hopefully I'm not the only one who gets that analogy ._. )

but playing the devil's advocate (wait, is that cliche ironic?)

one is asked to "have the faith of a child" specifically because the authors knew it would be cold day in hell (okay I'm done being ironic) when any of the sheep ever saw an actual miracle.

So then someone rebelious enough to ask "hey, where's my miracle!" could quickly be reprimanded, "the bible says not to ask for a miracle! blind faith! repent! repent heathen!"

of course many christians circumvent this no miracle clause of the bible by pretending to speak in tongues, playing with snakes, and blaming every god damn perfectly logical and explainable act of nature and chance on god. I mean, blind faith? are you kidding? personal jesuses don't have time for that, what with conversion quotas and all.

Really it's like an inconsistancy circle:

1. People in the Bible get miracles to believe, but we're not allowed to.

2. We'll just go around pretending every other thing is a miracle even though the bible says not to look for one.

3. If we get a failed miracle, revert to quote in Bible saying not to expect miracles.

4. When faith falters, read about all the miracles that really really must have happened in the Bible because the Bible says they happened in the Bible.

5. Back to going around pretending everything is a miracle... and so on.

While Bible inconsistancies are fun like in the way it's fun to tell that snot nosed kid at the roller rink there's no such thing as Santa because he skates better than you and you're a grown ass man damnit,

I prefer pointing out the inconsistancies of peoples' actual present faith. For instance this girl asked me to pray for her because she was having a minor surgery, and I told her prayer doesn't work, and she said I didn't know that, then I said okay then if it works I'm going to spend the time praying for the little kids in Africa because they're just little kids, and don't have the wonders of modern medicine to save them.

You see, either way, she wasn't worthy of my prayers.

289 days ago | Tagged As: heathen
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