Pliny the Younger was talking, specifically, about the beliefs of Christians of his time and was asking Trajan for advice on what to do with them. His letter to Trajan does not provide any evidence for the historicity of Jesus. In Suetonius we see a reference to the "instigation of Chrestus", which cannot be a reference to Jesus since he had been supposedly dead for nearly 50 years with respect to the reference and couldn't have been "instigating" anything. There are two likely references here: the Jewish-Christian proclamation that Jesus was god, or a person named Chrestus (a formal name at the time) antagonizing, playing a role in Claudius' edict. AND, Suetonius never, ever mentions "Christus". That's a pretty big deal if he's talking about "Christ". And Phlegon is largely cited as an interpolation.

Given the fact that there are secular references to Jesus's existence, Jesus Christ was a real person.

When you look at the supposed secular sources and place them in their proper context, neither Josephus, Pliny, Soutonius or any other secular source becomes legitimate. At best, they are questionable.

You know the biggest bible prophecy in our times. Was when Israel got their state back in 1948. Prior to 1948, Israel last existed as an independent nation in 606 B.C. when the first captives of Israel were taken by Nebuchadnezzar. This was to be the last generation. So if this is true then you take the youngest person at that time to what their oldest age could be and according to final testament. I think that we are living in time of Christ return.

Look at how many cities and stories like Troy for example that have been discovered,many non believers thought only to be pure fiction. Only to be true

You will be amazed at how many archaeologist whether believers or not have referenced the Bible for digging locations.

Look at the Dead Sea Scrolls if you know anything about them they expose many of Old Testament scribes and the record keeping of the time, originally before their discovery many thought to be just fable. The story of them is quite amazing.

Even if you go into other facts King Ebeneser not only have we uncovered that actual building but all of the references of the Bible where able to help with location and it's character. I can keep going on with one after the other on just facts alone, it's only yourself that can either chose to ignore it or accept it.

Jesus christ is an absolutely mythological fiction, his presense totally contradicts the workings of karma and karmic relationship

There is no hard fact to suggest jesus ever existed, and the miracles are definitely not true,

The bible cannot be used as a source as it has no backing whatsoever.

Total, unabashed fiction. People feel they need to believe in something, and what better "idea" to believe in than life after death or eternal grace or any of that other nonsensical jargon.

I believe in a lot of the tenets of Christianity- the "do unto others..." and "turn the other cheek" but in NO way do I believe that a man (the son of god) was born to a virgin and died on a cross.

try praying to a milk jug for a while. See how that goes.

fiction i think.

i've never seen any evidence.

and the bible..well wouldn't you say that it could just be a story written by some guys making up something that may make sense in how the universe and earth and all of the things that live on earth were created?

i think they were desperate to find out and made up some ridiculous stories.