First of all of course there was a period before the big bang
There is large discrepancy on this. The big bang only refers to our universe and nothing more, only what we can observe. We cant observe what came before so we can only vaguely theorize at best.
You clearly have no understanding of Quantum Mechanics to talk so lightly of it and not actually disprove my original theory using actual scientific fact
I only have layman's knowledge of it. im no quantum physicist, but neither are you. I can only pass on what science has discovered thus far. Oh, and you should know science doesnt declare facts. only theories and laws.
And most importantly, since quantum fluctuations were the only thing there, besides God, what else could have given it the required amount of energy to become self-sustaining?
"Besides god" what a stupid add on. Why the fuck should we just blindly assume an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being was there before the big bang? That is an evidence-less wild guess. The theory states that the big bang in and of itself generated enough energy to become self sustaining. The way ive read it, scientists dont even think there was a need for anything else.
BUT- if there WAS something else needed to catalyze the big bang, IT WASNT A SPACE WIZARD. Gaps in science are filled with more science, that is, conclusions based on evidence found through observing and testing hypothesis. God is not a testable hypothesis and is a non answer to any question whos answer box he's put in.
You are backing your arguments up with opinion, and that is useless in this debate.
No, im backing it up with what i know about the big bang and what i know about god. and i beg to differ, opinion and analysis is very usefull in debate. if youre just a monotone fact dispenser that isnt effective. You need to analyze the facts and talk about what those facts mean.
I'm not sure if you are familiar with Pascal's Wager, but if you are not please look it up and rethink your beliefs.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA And there goes the last shred of respect for you. I mean, i could respect that you actually looked up the big bang and whatnot, but you just blew that shit when you dared to quote that failure of an argument. Pascals wager fails so hard not even the most avid apologists will use it.
1) its a false dichotomy
2) it doesnt acknowledge any other religions or deities
3) It assumes belief is a switch you can turn on and off, which it isnt
4) it assumes god is and idiot who cant see right through someone covering their ass
5) it assumes believing has no down side and disbelieving has no upsides which isnt true
6) It assumes the will of god which nobody can know, god's will isnt stagnant
And much more. Youre a moron and i hope you never bring that piss poor excuse for an argument again and relocate it firmly back in your tailpipe where it originated.
Time, you moron, began when we were created. Who the fuck was there back then to keep track of time?
Time existed long before we were created: ie: there were billions of years (unit of time) before earth's creation. Time is just what we humans call it to rationalize it in our minds. It existed before us, also, i was mainly refering to space-time which is somewhat different.
That's what I thought, nobody
time still exists without people to keep track of it. Time still progressed before humans existed... also im surprised you didnt immediatly jump to the conclusion that god kept track of it.
The Big Bang was a rapid expansion of MATTER, not time.
Not JUST matter. Gravitational forces, matter, and space time.
By the way, the Bible was written by man. It could be incorrect on multiple levels
The bible being the only place that knowledge of a god originated from. If there was no bible, there would be no "god did it theory" because nobody would believe in him. Also, i see you bring up the bible specifically so i can assume youre attrubuting the christian god to this and not some deist clockmaker character or any other religion. That being said, if it is flawed on multiple levels (which it is) why attribute it's god to something not even mentioned in the bible? You cant just make shit up. The bible says we were made in genesis THAT WAY. Not in the big bang. so if genesis didnt happen then he didnt make humans which means he doesnt answer prayers and probably non of the other stories in the bible are true so why attribute him to the big bang? By rationalizing the christian god with the big bang, you effectively make him a pointless god and remove all point in worshipping him. If you want to believe this divine being theory then that's fine, still just a wild guess, but fine. What you cant do is state some supreme being caused the big bang and then try to connect it with the god of the bible in any way because you stripped that god of the basis for belief in him.
I go with what I can make sense of for the most part, and that is why I have made this theory.
good, you acknowledge it is just a theory in the normal sense, that is, just a wild guess with or without evidence (without in this case). As opposed to scientific theories which are detailed explainations of events supported by hard evidence. Thank you.
And also thanks for clarifying that you just flat out made it up.
I don't know how you cannot believe in God, because his existence is absolutely necessary.
No it's not. Right now we dont know if some other source of energy was needed to fuel the big bang or what came before it but we can say with all honesty that it was not a conscious all powerfull ju-ju of the sky. Theres no evidence and no reason to believe that it is. What IS reasonable is to assume that if such fuel was needed that it resulted NATURALLY and that we can discover and verify it using the scientific method or conclude that it wasnt necessary, as well as determining what came before the big bang as also natural because that is consistent with every other thing we have ever discovered.
If women give birth to man then where did the first man come from? How did that man create the first woman?
What a fucking stupid argument. Do you know anything about abiogenesis or evolution? Asexual reproducting cells evolved to form the different genders because that is more ideal for passing on genes than asexual reproduction. Then evolution goes on from there with the two genders up to us.
Just a helpful little hint, back up your arguments with actual fact next time instead of just throwing out personal opinion.
I just did. happy? And i think you should practice what you preach. i have seen no factual argument for why this god is necessary nor how he exists opposed to what scientists are theorizing today.
Sure my opinion is that God exists, but at least I can prove that using the very thing you people use to try to prove him wrong.
Prove? No. You did nothing but make shaky stupid appeals to ignorance. The big bang proves the christian god is non existent because it strips away and shreds of the bibles legitimacy including all of genesis thus making god pointless. It also emphasizes how flawed it is so why should we believe ANY of it including Jesus and heaven and hell which also impacts your intellectually reprehensible appeal to pascals wager.
Your arguments are shit. Piss off