According to christianity, yes. According to anyone with half a brain. No.

Prayer and belief in god does nothing for the people of Boston and Oklahoma. Money, food, and water does.

Good works are the result of, not the cause of, salvation. Please see my link for proof from the Bible.

That isn't necessarily true. While the bible teaches to be nice to your fellow man and to not kill or steal, it certainly does not tell christians to donate or help others. It instead encourages prayer over tangible help. You dont have to look farther than the recent tragedy in OK to see this. Ive seen so many christians do nothing but pray and encourage others to do so instead of actually donating. My own mom even told me that "even though i know your not religious, we need to pray for Oklahoma". What the fuck good does that do? The next day me and my other two friends all put about 5-10$ each in a box our school set up for the people of OK. Were all atheists and have not been "saved". Salvation doesnt mean that you automatically do good deeds. The bible allows rape and slavery and never condemns them so you can be "saved" and own a person and still go to heaven. Thats immoral.

And shouldnt it bother you that your god quite clearly values belief in him blindly over helping your fellow man? If he encouraged that more maybe he wouldnt have so many problems to fix. It would be a win win for him but no, he's selfish beyond belief. and fake.

No, it's impossible to tell. Free Will refers to being able to do whatever we want within the boundaries of what we CAN do. So we have more free will to pick up things with our hands than say a bird because the bird doesnt have opposable thumbs. But the bird has more free will to fly because we cant fly. So it really is impossible to measure free will in any way. Though, humans are the only species that put our own thought up restrictions on what we can do so i would argue that animals are more able to use all of their free will. its a strange topic

Not necessarily true at ALL. I have seen countless christians simply pray in the wake of the tragedy in Oklahoma and not do any tangible things to help. On the other hand, me and a few of my athiest friends have collectively donated around 30$. Not much, but damnit it actually DOES something. That isnt to say christians ARENT actually doing things, but this shows that it is not a natural product of christianity. in fact, the bible clearly shows that you can go to heaven just fine without being good at all. you can even rape and own slaves and go there. It values blind faith way more than good works for fellow man.

According to.....? Its all matter of opinion and 99% of the people ive ever ask say it sucks and its an outdated waste of a time slot on Toonami which could use it to devote time to newer and far better anime's.

1) 2000 years ago with nobody being literate, how did it get written by average joe disciples?

2) The fact that their isnt exact translations and misinfomation has been added countless times only slidifes the point that it is not a trustworthy source of information. It is the only source of information on God, his laws, Jesus, ect and its FLAWED. That's a big deal.

3) This being said, how can a god expect every human to take it seriously and believe in it when he's let it degrade so much that we dont even know what he might have meant?

4) "thats an edit humans made" it was written by humans to begin with thus making its authenticy debatable from the start.

5) Theres more than 10 commandments clearly yet none of them outlaw slavery or rape and many of them include death sentances. And ALL of them reflect the desires of MEN and not what an all powerfull god would decree.

6) No i sincerely reject the notion that any supreme being exists. I dont believe any interpretation of any god.

First of all of course there was a period before the big bang

There is large discrepancy on this. The big bang only refers to our universe and nothing more, only what we can observe. We cant observe what came before so we can only vaguely theorize at best.

You clearly have no understanding of Quantum Mechanics to talk so lightly of it and not actually disprove my original theory using actual scientific fact

I only have layman's knowledge of it. im no quantum physicist, but neither are you. I can only pass on what science has discovered thus far. Oh, and you should know science doesnt declare facts. only theories and laws.

And most importantly, since quantum fluctuations were the only thing there, besides God, what else could have given it the required amount of energy to become self-sustaining?

"Besides god" what a stupid add on. Why the fuck should we just blindly assume an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being was there before the big bang? That is an evidence-less wild guess. The theory states that the big bang in and of itself generated enough energy to become self sustaining. The way ive read it, scientists dont even think there was a need for anything else.

BUT- if there WAS something else needed to catalyze the big bang, IT WASNT A SPACE WIZARD. Gaps in science are filled with more science, that is, conclusions based on evidence found through observing and testing hypothesis. God is not a testable hypothesis and is a non answer to any question whos answer box he's put in.

You are backing your arguments up with opinion, and that is useless in this debate.

No, im backing it up with what i know about the big bang and what i know about god. and i beg to differ, opinion and analysis is very usefull in debate. if youre just a monotone fact dispenser that isnt effective. You need to analyze the facts and talk about what those facts mean.

I'm not sure if you are familiar with Pascal's Wager, but if you are not please look it up and rethink your beliefs.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA And there goes the last shred of respect for you. I mean, i could respect that you actually looked up the big bang and whatnot, but you just blew that shit when you dared to quote that failure of an argument. Pascals wager fails so hard not even the most avid apologists will use it.

1) its a false dichotomy

2) it doesnt acknowledge any other religions or deities

3) It assumes belief is a switch you can turn on and off, which it isnt

4) it assumes god is and idiot who cant see right through someone covering their ass

5) it assumes believing has no down side and disbelieving has no upsides which isnt true

6) It assumes the will of god which nobody can know, god's will isnt stagnant

And much more. Youre a moron and i hope you never bring that piss poor excuse for an argument again and relocate it firmly back in your tailpipe where it originated.

Time, you moron, began when we were created. Who the fuck was there back then to keep track of time?

Time existed long before we were created: ie: there were billions of years (unit of time) before earth's creation. Time is just what we humans call it to rationalize it in our minds. It existed before us, also, i was mainly refering to space-time which is somewhat different.

That's what I thought, nobody

time still exists without people to keep track of it. Time still progressed before humans existed... also im surprised you didnt immediatly jump to the conclusion that god kept track of it.

The Big Bang was a rapid expansion of MATTER, not time.

Not JUST matter. Gravitational forces, matter, and space time.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=according-to-the-big-bang-1999-10-21

By the way, the Bible was written by man. It could be incorrect on multiple levels

The bible being the only place that knowledge of a god originated from. If there was no bible, there would be no "god did it theory" because nobody would believe in him. Also, i see you bring up the bible specifically so i can assume youre attrubuting the christian god to this and not some deist clockmaker character or any other religion. That being said, if it is flawed on multiple levels (which it is) why attribute it's god to something not even mentioned in the bible? You cant just make shit up. The bible says we were made in genesis THAT WAY. Not in the big bang. so if genesis didnt happen then he didnt make humans which means he doesnt answer prayers and probably non of the other stories in the bible are true so why attribute him to the big bang? By rationalizing the christian god with the big bang, you effectively make him a pointless god and remove all point in worshipping him. If you want to believe this divine being theory then that's fine, still just a wild guess, but fine. What you cant do is state some supreme being caused the big bang and then try to connect it with the god of the bible in any way because you stripped that god of the basis for belief in him.

I go with what I can make sense of for the most part, and that is why I have made this theory.

good, you acknowledge it is just a theory in the normal sense, that is, just a wild guess with or without evidence (without in this case). As opposed to scientific theories which are detailed explainations of events supported by hard evidence. Thank you.

And also thanks for clarifying that you just flat out made it up.

I don't know how you cannot believe in God, because his existence is absolutely necessary.

No it's not. Right now we dont know if some other source of energy was needed to fuel the big bang or what came before it but we can say with all honesty that it was not a conscious all powerfull ju-ju of the sky. Theres no evidence and no reason to believe that it is. What IS reasonable is to assume that if such fuel was needed that it resulted NATURALLY and that we can discover and verify it using the scientific method or conclude that it wasnt necessary, as well as determining what came before the big bang as also natural because that is consistent with every other thing we have ever discovered.

If women give birth to man then where did the first man come from? How did that man create the first woman?

What a fucking stupid argument. Do you know anything about abiogenesis or evolution? Asexual reproducting cells evolved to form the different genders because that is more ideal for passing on genes than asexual reproduction. Then evolution goes on from there with the two genders up to us.

Just a helpful little hint, back up your arguments with actual fact next time instead of just throwing out personal opinion.

I just did. happy? And i think you should practice what you preach. i have seen no factual argument for why this god is necessary nor how he exists opposed to what scientists are theorizing today.

Sure my opinion is that God exists, but at least I can prove that using the very thing you people use to try to prove him wrong.

Prove? No. You did nothing but make shaky stupid appeals to ignorance. The big bang proves the christian god is non existent because it strips away and shreds of the bibles legitimacy including all of genesis thus making god pointless. It also emphasizes how flawed it is so why should we believe ANY of it including Jesus and heaven and hell which also impacts your intellectually reprehensible appeal to pascals wager.

Your arguments are shit. Piss off

I am talking about the rules for determining if something exists. Maybe better evidence will come out, but until then, I don't believe.

The rules never changed...how do we determine if something exists? Test for it. How do we test dogs? Oh, theres a dog, ok they exist. How do we test paranormal activity? Examine photos, recordings, and structures looking for all possible ways to debunk them. If any cant be debunked, then its paranormal or NOT normal. Does this mean ghost? no. it means what it says. Something we dont know.

I am under the impression that the evidence is not ignored as much as you think. Again, similar to religion, I think the same evidence is brought up over and over again, so there is no reason to continue debunking it because it has been. I don't know what evidence there is though, so I hope you get a definitive answer. I see the similarities to religion, so I am out. I see why you have problems shaking that belief.

Religion has the same stagnant evidence theyve had for years, paranormal occurances keep happening. More pictures, more recordings, more experiences happen every year. Why do they keep happening? Thats what i wanna know

Yes, this would be VERY different if we were not talking about human produced recordings and photos

The photo distortions and audio are not human produced, they are human recorded but the human didnt affect the outcome. They are just two raw pieces of evidence, you got your wierd bone, and your unidentified photo anomolies. One gets dismissed, the other is really looked at.

REAL proof is being able to go to an old mansion and seeing a ghost, obtaining knowledge only the ghost could know, and verifying that it's true.

Can you go to the past 3 million years ago, see a dinosaur and obtain knowledge only it could know?

Now we do have bones to show they existed, but we also have these paranormal pieces of evidence.

After that, it would no longer be an issue.

That CANNOT happen because ghosts are not real. Religious people say you can't prove religion right OR wrong.

But you CAN prove it right, is the funny thing. We just need a god to speak.

Same with ghosts. You are saying I can't prove it right OR wrong, it's just a mystery still, yet you CAN prove it right by finding a REAL ghost and displaying it in real life, rather than through a dubious recording or a low quality picture in a person's basement.

Ok seriously im going to end this conversation if you cant grasp the concept that i agree 100% that literal spirits arent real. Im only talking about things we havent explained that people say are ghosts but could really be... [insert explaination here].

Also, I am nearly positive those "orbs" have been debunked, along with most other "evidence" for ghosts.

If a LOT less of it was proven fake, you might have a point.

If religion was real, gods were real, even I'd admit that ghosts have a good chance of being real.

But same with magic and psychic and all that.

It's just not real. There are many things that are not explained, but sometimes... there is no answer readily available, and claiming ghosts or the paranormal doesn't seem like a wise choice to jump to.

And i agree with you! Damn man i dont think spirits from beyond the grave exist! BUT something is causing these orbs to appear in pictures, and if it wasnt dust or light refractions, then what is it? What caused the ones we cant explain yet? Why cant they be duplicated in the same conditions but different locations? For instance, i went to Gettysberg and out in the fields i took pics that had many circular orb anomolies in them. Ive also taken pictures of my grandparents farm fields in the same conditions and no such thing appears even once. I find that strange.