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1 point

If you are not American citizens you are not governed by our laws.

But let's say for example that the Muslims who did 9/11 were American Citizens. If they wanted to, yes they could own guns, tanks, etc. But you are not allowed to infringe on anyone else's freedom with those. So running two planes into the Twin Towers is not considered an act of self-defense. It is also massive property damage (both the plane and the buildings were not theirs to destroy) and they killed and injured people who were not directly a threat to them.

No rules change at all. It would be wrong if we stole planes of another country and flew them into their buildings. We hold ourselves to the same standards.

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That's also a pretty vague question.

Am I homeless but still have a job? Do I still have a car? Am I allowed to live with family or friends until I am back on my feet?

If I don't have a job am I allowed to get a job? Or do I just have to be homeless and jobless?

Without specifics no one can really plan.

2 points

Exactly, If you are homeless, most of the time it was due to your own personal actions.

And even if you were homeless due to some unavoidable tragedy, you wouldn't need to stay homeless for any extended period of time if you actually do a bit of hard work.

1 point

Americans are allowed to own tanks... You didn't know this? (I'm dead serious, go look it up)

Just like when some of the first Americans sent a letter to the government asking if they were allowed to have Cannons on their ships to defend from Pirates. Our government said "OF COURSE YOU CAN HAVE CANNONS! You are allowed to defend yourself and your property!"

1 point

This is a straw-man.

No one is purposefully selling criminals guns. Your word "Potential Criminal" simply is a synonym for "Human".

Every Human alive is a "Potential Criminal". That's like saying "Why would you let a Potential Criminal babysit your child?!" or "Why would you let a Potential Criminal be your child's teacher?!" But instead you said "Why would you sell Potential Criminals Guns!"

All we do is allow everyone who isn't a felon and does not have an extreme mental illness the ability to protect themselves. I'm sorry you don't agree that people should be allowed to do such a thing. But I see that position as ridiculous.

Every person should be allowed to protect themselves, and they shouldn't be expected to become a Martial Arts Master to do so.

1 point

I'll make it simple for you.

Having a gun in your house for defense is the same as having a Fire Extinguisher.

You hope your house or kitchen never catches on fire, but if it does it is responsible to have a Fire Extinguisher in your house and know where it is for an emergency.

You also hope your house never gets robbed and your family never gets attacked by a criminal, but a criminal does enter your home it would be responsible to own a firearm and know where it is for an emergency.

Do you understand the analogy now? Bad things happen, and even if they are rare and it wouldn't likely happen to you. It is still responsible to be prepared for such a thing.

Especially when I would much rather have my house burn down than have anyone in my family attacked, injured, or killed by a criminal. So I'd say if you have a Fire Extinguisher but not a Gun, you need to get your priorities strait.

1 point

Either you are incapable of reading comprehension and understanding analogies, or you are purposefully misrepresenting me.

Pretty discouraging behavior to see on a website created for the purpose of debate.

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Yes, you live perfectly safe in a gun-free society.

That's like me saying, "I live perfectly safe in a society with no fire department, fire extinguishers, or fire sprinklers. We simply do not get fires here!"

Yea makes it sound nice, "I'd like to live in a place with no Fires!" But then when a fire happens you'll be thinking "How stupid am I that I would put myself in a position that I have no way to reasonably stop a fire, my entire house burned down and I didn't have fire insurance either!"

No, the responsible thing is to have Fire Departments, to have a Fire Extinguisher, and to have a Sprinkler System to suppress fires. Is it because we expect our house to ever get caught on fire? No of course not, I've never even known a person who has had their house catch on fire, but I still prefer to live in a society that allows me to protect myself, my family, and my possessions from a Fire if it does happen.

Just like I prefer to live in a society that allows me to protect myself, my family, and my possessions from criminals if I happen to encounter one. Will it ever happen? Hopefully not and probably not. But it is the RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO to have a plan for if it does happen.

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It's because some people simply aren't thinking.

People think of guns as simply a weapon used to commit murder, hunt with, or target practice.

They do not think Guns can be used in defense, so anytime they see anything bad happen with a gun they think "Guns, all negative, no positive."

You will see people argue that there is no situation where a person needs a gun, and if guns were removed they would be more safe. Which simply is not true.

1 point

About 150 million people in the USA own a gun.

There are about 30-40k deaths caused by guns per year.

About 65% of those are suicides.

About 80% of what is left are Gang-Related.

So if you don't kill yourself and you are not the member of a gang then your chance of being killed by a fire-arm in the United States is about 0.0006%. (That includes Accidental Deaths, Justified Police Killings, Justified Defensive Killings, etc)

So if you aren't a criminal or involved in an accident, your chances are even lower.

But let's all pretend America has some big issue with guns.

Our real issue is Mental Health (suicides) and Gangs.

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