Sorry to say it, but yeah. The Conservatives do one thing right: stirring up fear. And they've succeeded marvelously.

It would be a deterrent, assuming people are rational actors. But the field of economics (mostly bullshit anyway) is starting to realize that people don't always act in their own best interest. People like shitty food, so they will make room in their budget to get it.

This is even before considering the addictions to fat, salt, and sugar many people have.

Everyone who disagrees with TheWayItIs is closed-minded and egotistical. All of them.

He is always right, and the best.

I almost don't remember what you mean ;) Regarding overpopulation, I'm not quite sure how to approach it. It's a complex subject. I suppose I'll start with energy consumption.

http://www.cosmosmith.com/images/graph.gif

The amount of energy humans consume per capita is excessively high, in comparison to survival needs. Food is often transported for hundreds or thousands of miles before consumption. Industrial subsidies keep afloat incredibly inefficient methods and transactions, which all ultimately serve to shuffle and concentrate wealth into the middlemen. All the while, most countries look at population control as inhumane, as if making progeny were a right. The graph above indicates that if our population isn't sustainable now, it will certainly be soon.

1. Reread my argument. You did not respond to it.

2. "Do with it what you will." Uh, okay. It's completely ridiculous, unless you have some way to back it up.

3. On the scale we're consuming our resources, we're far less like a predator and more like a parasite that kills its host. That would be legitimate, if there were any other hosts.

1. The idea that you can only find sufficient protein in meat is propaganda, courtesy of the meat industry. Read about the China Study for more on that, and on dairy.

2. The world would be overrun? What, chickens are going to organize and march on our capitols? Explain to me exactly what you mean by that.

3. "If they can do it, why not us?" They eat meat to survive. We eat meat because we like it, not because we need it. Humans are extremely overpopulated thanks to medicine and other lifespan-increasing advances. If we want to stay overpopulated, we need to consume less.

This is the most offensive load of horseshit I've ever seen on this site. And I'm going to be pissed if it gets removed. Cheers to free speech.

You should have mentioned the encouraging genocide part instead of Penn & Teller. Could have made this concession silent :P

Please. Bullshit is entertainment done in the style of a documentary. And their research is far from reliable. I like the show, but that is not evidence.

Also, points for your first sentence. Laughable, like if I were to say, "I would disprove you thoroughly, but I know that will only make you more stubborn."

Forgot to mention they're right on about Gandhi, though, if a bit unforgiving. The guy is suddenly a hack because he's not flawless?

Propaganda, and history will prove it. I'm not going to bother explaining because I've had this argument before, and there is no reasoning with those who are not used to reason.