I think that sex should be something special between a couple, although I am aware, this is not the normal value of today's society. People might even call me 'old-fashioned' in fact I am far from it and if I am that, what makes 'modern' beliefs and values Predominantly better?

It's not that easy to explain, but when you're wit someone you love, you feel safer naturally because you can trust them. Sorry if that's a bit vague.

True. I accept your reasoning and premises - but whether indirectly a result of his bad karma accumulated by raping people, it does not mean you should take pleasure out of someone's misfortune. Just because he did something wrong, in time he will pay for it but it is no-one's business to encourage misfortune upon him.

I agree. But you don't need God to tell you that for it to be true.....

To take an objective perspective, you shouldn't really vent your own experiences or project them onto others.

Sex has nothing to do with how well things are going to flow...

I beg to differ, research shows the hormones stimulated by intercourse are beneficial to the mind and relationship; they sometimes call it the 'spark'.

Secondly, I am not saying I have anything against people who do opt for sex beforehand. That is their choice and theirs alone.

However an interesting question and not non-germane would be is sex just overrated?

Wow. I can't believe you actually just said that.

Saddest thing is, you're probably right.

Details, details, details... I simply was stating an opinion as I believe I like all others have freedom of expression?! If you read it again, you would see that everyone makes choices on their basis and therefore by simple logic, they have a reason that is plausible in their mind - e.g. if someone believed they should have sex before marriage, so be it. If not, they will both have reasons - wanting to for instance is just one of many. Not the reason as not everybody holds the same values and cares so much about having birth control/ protection during intercourse.

I'm sorry to hear that. But you are only quoting a unique/ unfortunate case to you.

It is probably safer though to marry someone after you know them enough. After marriage is important for family and getting to know your partner more - but think about this: if you don't even know everything about yourself, or what you're capable of despite having been with yourself since the second you were born, what chance do you have if you get married/ have intercourse when you don't know that much about your partner?

It's really a question of whether you can trust someone enough, then either way sex after/ before marriage is wouldn't even be important.

At least the old songs had some meaningful message to convey, or a simple story.

I agree this is the case, but as I was brought up with classical music mainly, I have to say that my ears don't agree with the harsh qualities of rap 'music'.