And fromwithin, abortion in some circumstances is very different from genocide. Just wanted to point that out since you banned me before I could reply to you; making it look like you won.

genocide: the deliberate killing of a large group of people because of religion or race. Abortion in SOME (not all, I support better alternatives when they are possible): only killing (terminating, whatever) fetuses (or babies, whichever you prefer) that wouldn't have a good life, be well taken care of, or be wanted. We aren't killing babies (fetuses) because we don't agree with their views. Mothers have the option to abort because they wouldn't be able to care properly for the baby or they would get harmed by the labor.

That's a good point.

I consider it a baby but it's still a fetus that should be able to be terminated because of the reasons you said.

Except I'm not descriminating people... Or being racist and bigoted... Or supporting genocide...

I'm saying the baby is still a fetus and its the mother's choice what she does with her body. (the baby is basically a parasite until birth)

It's not my right. The babies (however human they may be) are still parasitic of their mothers. I should not be able to force someone to have a parasite in them for nine months then have excruciating labor just to birth something that wouldn't have a good life anyway.

I'm not supporting Hitler. Hitler: genocide. Me: abortion in circumstances where it is the only (or best) option.

what i support is the option to have abortions, but also lots of education and help so mothers can raise their babies. If it is not the best option, I am not for abortion. I just think it should be an option that shouldn't be taken away from people.

Some people will abort for stupid reasons. I don't agree with that, but even if they were forced to bear the child, they wouldn't raise it well and might kill it anyway. People aren't going to change just because you ban abortion.

However, a compromise would be something I'd be fine with as long as abortion is legal for extreme causes. I just would prefer for people to have more freedom of choice.

Hahaha. Laughable.

I think if anyone was going to kill themselves, it would be the one who thinks good things await you when you die. I, as an atheist, believe in no God, consequentially I am in no great hurry to die where I will become nothing.

No, it's not. I'm not hoping to get out of reality. The people who believe God will save them from everything are.

Suicide is taking my own life. I'm not going to take my life voluntarily (the definition of suicide) just because I don't believe in God. What you're talking about is accidential and assisted suicide, which is very different.

Also isn't god too important to care what I think? Or does he go around killing atheists? Because then it's not free will, is it?

Going to hell does not mean God killed me. That would be after I am already dead. Dead things can't die.

That is a good point, yet only if God truly exists. If not, it is moot.

If you don't include the 'because only those who are wrong die', your point makes no sense. And you shouldn't include that if you are also saying the words are interchangeable, because if they are interchangeable, you wouldn't have to add anything to make them make sense.

I do know what I am saying. Do you?

No, I am talking about your god.

And I'm talking about your god because you brought up the subject and that's what you were talking about. I wouldn't start ranting about the Muslim God because that's not the discussion we were having.

Duh? Really? Are you twelve?

Obviously my imagination of you isn't you (unless you really are just a figment of my imagination... But we have no proof for that so I'll let it slide) but you said that since god created imagination that he's not an imagined being. However, that is only true if god is in fact real. If he's not real, then he didn't create imagination and he actually was imagined.

Sorry if that was confusing. Maybe I should slow down a bit so your mind can process what I'm saying.

That is a very good point. Why should you believe in what I imagine? Why should you believe in what anybody imagined? Why should you believe in god? You don't have any proof that he's not imagined...

Maybe someone imagined god to be everything, but he's really not since that's just whoever wrote the buble's imagination?

I actually wouldn't say that (regarding your last statement). I'd say I don't believe in any god. When you ask me which god, I'd answer all of them. The Christian, Muslim, the Roman gods, the Greek gods, I don't believe in any of them.

Maybe you are the fool, for believing in something that doesn't exist.

Maybe they do.

But maybe. Just maybe.

Even if it's not real control, I'd like to do all in my power to make sure I control (however fake it may be) my life. That means not submitting to a list of rules that I don't agree with and not wasting my life worshipping a 'god'.

Doesn't give you a clue. The alien could imagine that we think it's hot and that it burns us.

I never said I didn't think I was real. I do, since we don't have any evidence to prove otherwise. My point was: why is that any less likely to believe than in God? We have no reason to believe either.