So you believe that a man that murders 50 people with no remorse is the same as a man who lusts after a women and does not act on it.

No, I am saying that if both men do these things and ask for forgiveness, then they will both be forgiven. The man that murders wouldn't be the same because he has shown no remorse, but the man who lusts has and will be favoured. However if they both reject God then they are the same because in the end, they are both sinners with no Jesus Christ to atone for their sins.

God didn't create sin, Lucifer did. Although God created Lucifer, Luicifer was without sin; and chose to rebel. There is a difference of God causing you to sin, and God knowing you will sin. By God causing you to sin, this is not free will because God is playing the cards for you: but when God knows you will sin, this is free will because we choose to do what is bad.

And you say this as of Jesus is a bad thing. God isn't evil, so it's not like your worshipping the devil. Our God is an all loving God; so the things he tells us to do aren't bad in any way. But understand that if He gives you an opportunity to have salvation, and you reject Him and don't love Him; why do you then have the right to come into His kingdom?

That's like me being a geek who got bullied; throwing a massive party and inviting everyone, even the bullies; and asking them only to come and say sorry to me before the party, and then they can come. So the bully takes the invitation, and doesn't bother to say sorry until he sees everyone having fun in the party and then he says sorry. Why does that bully deserve to come in?

This is not God belong disloving, it is us. Because for people that believe, we believe not only because we want salvation, but because our God deserves praise for everything he has done for us.

For loving us unconditionally on Earth, when humans weren't capable of it. For forgiving us when we were at our darkest times, when humans weren't capable of it.

However when people that don't believe choose to believe, they only do it when they come to realise that He is real, and that they are going to Hell. So basically they give the invitation back when it's too late. Like the example of the party, when you give the invitation back to say you are coming, the geek writes your name in a book. When you say to God you are His and He is yours, and choose to follow Him, he writes your name in the book of life.

When the party starts you can't walk up to the door and say oh yeah can you write my name in the book please and let me in. Because that's just you basically saying, oh yeah I didn't really care about saying sorry to you, I just want to have a good time.

You can't go to heaven after you die and say oh yeah can you write my name in the book of life cause I don't want to go to hell. You're not sorry, you just want to have a good time.

But when you were on earth and were given the opportunity to come, you rejected it and said no cause I don't like God. This doesn't make sense and because God is a God of justice; it would be unjust for Him to let the people that rejected Him and hated Him, to come in his kingdom.

Finally you sound like a decent person to talk to; lol.

I never said Jesus was a crazy guy, I said the people are. And this is annoying because people do things which make other people move away from God, instead of towards him.

Many people who lived after Jesus' death wrote things about him because he was still the talk of the town. This must be Joshephus' position. I guess we both have some researching to do.

Us Christians aren't the same, we interpret the Bible differently. So you find the Christians condemning people to hell. This to me, isn't nice because only God has the right to judge people. I am only 14 years old and still learning. But I know that my God is real. I guess my own life is more of the reason than anything else. Apart from the creation in front of my very own eyes. My testimony is why I know strongly that Jesus is real. But I can't really tell you about my life cause you don't know me well. Soz about that

I know what they mean lol; and you are right it is Americans that make America so messed up. I am trying to say that due to the fact that some Americans are so evil and destroying your land: it's as if God doesn't even live their anymore; but the devil. That is why I changed the real meaning to under satans authority.

Also if he truly loved us, wouldn't he do something to prevent us from suffering eternal torment?

He has, Jesus Christ. Our God is a God of justice; the only way to find real justice is if it comes from God.

Now Christians believe that no one is good "compared" to God. Note the word compared. I am not saying everyone is bad, but that no one is good enough if you to stand by God's pure holiness.

When some ask, if God was a loving God, then why do good people go to hell. The answer is this:

It is our human nature to put people below us according to the amount of good we do. So for example, imagine a wall and on one side is God and the other side we have humankind.

People will put themselves closer to God according to the sins they have committed. So therefore, a murderer would be underneath the liar. So the liar has a better chance of getting to heaven. But this is wrong, because if we all believed that we get to heaven based on the good we do; then that allows people to boast.

God sees all sin as the same, because all is going aganist God.

So a rich man will save thousands of lives with his money, and then put it on media to boast about it. God sees the heart of the man and if the deed is done for credit, this is not an act of good. When we do this, we become boastful and say that you have the right to heaven because you've been a good person and the bad person should perish.

The Pharisees done this, and Jesus being the King Of Jews, didn't like it. As Ephesians 2:8-9 reads, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith — and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God — not by works, so that no one can boast" (NIV). Salvation is not by works, but by God's grace through Christ.

Like the man who approached Jesus and used the word "good," perhaps without giving it much thought, we too need to be careful how we use and define our terms. As Jesus answered, "No one is good – except God alone" (Mark 10:18; Luke 18:19). Do all "good" people go to heaven? Since no one is good as defined by God, the answer is, "No." Those who enter heaven do so not on the basis of merit, but on the basis of God's grace as bestowed by Jesus Christ. We can't work our way to heaven or claim to be without sin (1 John 1:8). Instead, we must humbly submit to God, turn from our wrong behavior, and turn to Christ for salvation.

I hope you can understand. Sorry that this is long also.

Grace is when God gives us what we don't deserve; and mercy is when God doesn't give us what we do deserve. "Broken can be beautiful, when grace sings the melody."

Thank you for writing back; talking to an atheist like this is fascinating and interesting as well. To answer your question; what if someone has never heard of Christianity, do they still go to hell?

The answer is in Romans 1 19-20 New International Version (NIV)

19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Therefore this is saying that there can't be anyone that doesn't know about God. When you look around you, at the creation, all seasons, the ocean and all its wondrous creatures etc; it's hard to say that there isn't someone who has designed all of this. We stand in awe of places and we don't actually know why.

When we talk about places like London, where I am from. Jesus is everywhere. As a young child, we are taught "God save the queen," people stand about handing out leaflets of bibles, there are too many ways that God is presented to us, to say that we have never heard of him.

No one has an excuse for not knowing God. That knowledge comes to us naturally—much like the way we instinctively reach for water when we're thirsty. It's not something we have to learn.

And it's not just instinct that draws people to God. God uses visual aids too—his creation. We can see God through the divine design of nature.

When someone responds to these instincts and "visual aids" and truly reaches out to God, God will make sure that person understands his or her need for Christ. God, who loves us beyond comprehension and wants everyone to go to heaven (2 Peter 3:9), will arrange the details for that person to know the gospel—through a missionary, a tract, a Bible, whatever. Seek and ye shall find. When you solemnly want to know God, He will reveal himself to you.

Lots of people are crazy and think they are the Som of God.

Well yeah they are crazy aren't they? But he will come again, and people will notice that he is real whether they like it or not.

Titus Flavius Josephus (37 – c. 100) wrote extensively about the Jews, from the time of Abraham up to day in which he lived. He was a Romano-Jewish historian and scholar. He was and still is well respected and what he wrote about Jesus in the Antiquities of the Jews was impressive. He writes in Book 18, chapter 3 that “Jesus was a wise teacher who was crucified by Pontius Pilate…” His accounts are held to be of the highest of authenticity. Josephus accurately describes the condemnation and crucifixion of Jesus at the hands of the Roman authorities. Some of Josephus’ writings include very convincing testimony of Christ like:

“About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate, had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.”

Other Historians

If Jesus Christ was a Christian invention, then why would more than one hundred ancient Historians include Christ in their writings if they knew he didn’t exist? We have already mentioned Josephus ,but there are so many others like Gibbons, where it was written of his accounts that “church historians allow the substantial justness of [Gibbon's] main positions” on the founder of and the religion of Christianity. We can be certain that historians, both secular and Christian, would not have written about someone that was only a myth. They wrote with certainty when speaking of Jesus. Even skeptical historians agree that the New Testament is a remarkable historical document and has stronger manuscript support than any other work of classical literature, including Homer, Plato, Aristotle, and Caesar, who all pale in evidential comparison.

It shouldn't be and yet people like you think it is there place.

I never said it was my place to judge, so why are you including me in it? Three is a difference between thinking something is wrong, and judging others because of their thoughts. I think it is wrong, but I don't judge others. So your point of me thinking that it is my place to judge is invalid.

And the reason that I don't judge, is because Gos is a God of love, and for people that want to live their life away from Him, they still deserve love. I just don't like the fact of some gay people getting married in a Chruxh when they know that being gay is a sin in Christianity. But that's none of my business anyways.

And you don't need to get angry at me for having different thoughts of atheists than you do. I didn't get angry at you when you claimed that because I am a Christian I call people fools all the time and that I'm just pretending to hide it.

Do your research and look at the historical findings of Jesus. Truly, I understand. You don't need a bible to tell you what is right from wrong. But you don't need the rules in schools either do you? We have both so we can fall back on them, whenever we are struggling with doing what is right. Christians have the Bible fundamentally because it involves Jesus. Listen to the poetry, "why I hate the religion but love Jesus."

Some atheists don't believe in God because... That is not completey wrong actually. Just because you don't believe that he exists because you say there is no proof, doesn't mean that everyone of the same belief thinks that as well. So just by the fact that you class yourself as all atheists entirely is wrong.

Although science is science and God is God, when you look at nature and how beautiful it is, to me it's hard to think that there was no supreme creator. Science explains that for something to exist there has to be a creator. So now what? How did the Big Bang go off of and create such beautiful things if it wasn't instructed to do so?

And who created God. God wasn't created. He was and is and will be still the beginning and end of time. For you to look at how the moon accurately controls the tide as if someone was behind it. Our human DNA is so intricate, just like you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. It is a full instruction manual.

Why is this so amazing? One has to ask....how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct, that code in a very detailed way exactly how the person's body should develop.

Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it.

Jesus is proof that God is exists. And whether you believe in God or not, the facts are still there. As for gay marriage, that is not my place to say. I believe that it is wrong, however love them anyways. I cannot judge them, only God can. And you have told me all your beliefs without being able to relate to mine. And If that isn't enough, you are rude when you do it. Garbage, wacky, dumb, stupid... All these came from you. Which shows how angry you are at me for believing in something that you don't believe in.

Okay then Cartman, first of all I didn't say what you believed. I said some atheists don't believe in God because... Not you don't believe in God because...

Second of all, lets distinguish this using science. I believe personally that God is Science and all that lies behind it. The idea of a greater being lies between the magic of the universe. For example if we were to look at the earth. The way our earth is regimented almost makes it hard to believe that someone or something isn't holding it there. If earth was any closer to the sun, we would all freeze, and if we were further apart then we would all burn to death. And our earth has stood in the same place for all these years...

And I need to ask atheists this? Just out of curiosity. What is it about atheists that you would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that you don't believe even exists?!

I believe it is because God is calling you on a sly. He wants to make himself known, so he presses the issue on your mind so that one day you will come to acknowledge he exists. Atheists that I have met, always ask me the same question whenever they find out that I believe in Him. "How is your God real?" And I always think to myself, if you don't believe in him then why are you fussed? But I have come to reliase that atheists like those people are slyly looking for a way to be convinced that he is real. But I don't know? And that's why I came to this debate, to understand you guys.

Cartman, people like you are hard to talk to. Instead of just clearly debating you don't need to be so abusive and say that was I say is garbage. Preach what you stand for without showing hate for the opposition. It's people like you that I wouldn't want to meet in life. Where is the love?

I don't need to prove God's existence, only the people that really want to see it find it. People that don't really want to see it wont find it, it's that simple. And when you said that you can know what is right from wrong without having a God, then why do you hate knowing that it is wrong? You contradict your own words every single time you are rude.

I never said that atheism's point of view was garbage, intact I find it quite interesting. When you say that our beliefs are garbage, is what makes some Christians resent you because of what they have experienced. I'm glad that there are many other people here on this debate that can argue without preaching any hate.

Good on you Cartman! Good on you.

This is true, however is found in the Old Testament where many people were put to death for sinning. For example if a man raped a girl he was stoned to death.

This is for all sin though, because if you don't repent then you will be put to death; because it means that you don't believe in Christ, therefore you don't have Christ to atone for your sins when you die.

In the New Testament people were killed also, but these were Jewish people that only followed the Old Testament. Jesus changed this view, for example when the Pharisees wanted to stone a women for being "unclean." Jesus told them "whoever is without sin, cast the first stone." Therefore they weren't allowed to kill her.

Under the eyes of God, all sin is the same. So if a Christian is to ever say to a gay person, you are going to hell. This is wrong because they are making a judgment on you according to your sins, however they sin too but differently than you. The reason a person goes to hell is not because of their sins alone, it is because they have not repented for their sins, and do not believe in Jesus, that he is able to take their sins away.