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Communism is an egalitarian ideal. It explains that everyone should be equal.
But only insofar as the rending of "history" (hitherto) is concerned. That is, equal in class, because there is a lack thereof.
How is paying someone more than another person being equal?
Because payment is not a necessary issue of class.
One determinant of class can be income.
It is a necessary, but not sufficient determinant. That's why even after the Bolshevik revolution, which saw the overthrow of the old monarchy and Tsarists, doctors were still paid more than lumberers. The necessary distinction that you are failing to make is that being paid more is not in and of itself a sufficient criterion for a "class", which is the primary consideration of the proletariat revolution.
If we are using Marxist literature as a reference for Communism, then there isn't a distinction between either Communism or Democracy. The two are mutually inclusive. Communism is an attempt to, quote: "...win the battle of democracy...", by returning the sociopolitical province to a more pure form by raising up the proletariat and removing private property (among other outlets), specifically land and its resources. That is, power is given to the collective to move the end of history and not an institution (i.e. actual democracy--rule by the many). And Marx doesn't reject enterprise, or the free market, or free market enterprise. He rejects the dialectic materialism of history (vis a vis "history") and Capitalism (insofar as his issue is with the worship of capital in the Capitalist system).
Now, there isn't such a thing as an "applied ideal" that doesn't meet the criteria of said ideal. There's just a skewing of the ideal; the examples provided by ThePyg, for example, are simply dystopian ones--especially in the sense that the Communist Manifesto is a Utopian project, as an End of History perspective, and therefore antithetical to what occurred in places like Russia. A dictatorship cannot be an "applied" form of Communism any more than a highly regulated market can be an "applied" form of a "free market" system.
I find it somewhat ironic that you'd prohibit preteens from voting because of their mental immaturity, but argue that the voting age should be reduced to 13 (13+). Does something magical happen between 12 and 13 that skyrockets mental maturity, such that a 13 year would make more informed decisions, about a world they are largely ignorant of ,than a 12 year-old?
I always find the notion of a "holy spirit dwelling in people" rather humorous, because it only seems to pop up after people discover Jesus through somebody else. There's never any spontaneous conversions in remote parts of the world where people have never heard of Jesus, and suddenly realize their inner spiritus sancti.
The thing about Anarchy is that most people think of it as "chaos" and colloquially use the term to mean as much. But Anarchy in its "application" means that there isn't a government institution present in a given society. All tribal societies are anarchic in their structure and function perfectly well.
What are you talking about? If the age of consent is raised or lowered it does to have a direct bearing on the legal definition of consent. The legal definition changes to the new age.
You're conflating age of consent law with the definition of consent in law. With age, it's not the definition of consent that changes, it's who is permitted to give the legally defined consent that is changed.
Communism builds a classless society so nobody can have more than anyone else.
How? Rhetorical question. It's done by removing private property and infrastructures that can generate class antagonism. Not by making everyone get paid the same or ensuring that everyone only has one television in their house.
yeah i think it should stay at like age 17 but im not saying that it going down to like 16 is bad either
I saw your response to slashinator's argument about Obama, and I enjoyed it. You seem to be a pretty cool kid.
You're going all over the place here. I challenged you to something very simple. Introduce the provisions you have a problem with and let's debate them.
I'm sorry if I say and it's my opinion that you have not read it, since the whole thing is over 1,000 pages. Even the smartest minds who have read it have a hard time understanding it's whole complexity. So what about the CBO, that is the Congressional Budget Committee that says that it will cost in the trillions? More than the dime that Obama has promised are they not telling the truth either? Just like the stimulus bill that Obama said if past that unemployment wouldn't go above 8.5% which when they said that almost anybody who had sense knows that it was going to get there anyway. Look I'm an independent that can care less about Ideology whether Liberal or Conservative I just look at what is said and sniff out the BS and this BS is a big pile. I just want you to know that I was not happy with Bush at all either he was a Big BSer as well. I'm just fed up with our politicians playing with our lives and saying things that aren't true.
I see your young and still have a lot to learn go outside and look at some facts and don't be biased on one single belief. I wouldn't just go saying this if it wasn't true. I have looked into and have studied this bill and the things that the oposition is saying is true. I'm all for reform and some kind of plan but the one that they want needs to be change so that it's not a complete takeover which it is.
Damn, it's good to read you again...where the devil have you been? Welcome back!
yo wats up. this is gradswitch07. came across some of your responses when I did a search on a topic I was trying to debate with a friend. Im trying to add you as an ally, but, im not sure if im doing this thing correctly. but, I was intrigued by some of your responses, which leads me to inquire if you really are atheist? I hope you respond when you get the chance to
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