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I don't see how it's irrelevant. Follow this logic.

POINT 1: Housewives should get paid for housework because they work harder than men in offices.

MY COUNTER-POINT: The most dirty and dangerous jobs are done overwhelmingly by men. And infact, men are over-represented in dirty, dangerous jobs, whereas women are over-represented in office jobs.

So based on this; I then posit the question.

These men who work dirty, dangerous, long and often lonely hours deserve to be taxed further in order to fund payments for housewives who work harder (somehow) than they do?

I have then correctly concluded that this is of course absolute drivel.

Or have I misunderstood? Is this entire argument about taxing only men who work in offices in order to fund payment for housewives?

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I don't work in an office, I work in one of my countries busiest ports as a machine operator. It's cold in winter and hot in summer, there are chemicals and hazards all around. Since I have been there we have averaged one fatality a year and numerous incidents of life changing injuries.

We try to be safe as best as we can, but the nature of job is such that we are using large machines (Cranes & Heavy plant) to move large amounts of cargo on a daily basis.

You do realise that to maintain a modern civilisation requires much more than somebody pushing paper in an office.

The infrastructure needs to be built and maintained.

The logistics have to be planned and exectued.

Power stations must function, sewage plants, cargo must be shifted, materials harvested. Modern civilisation requires more than people in offices.

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Miners

Loggers

Dockers

Soldiers

Mercenaries

Labourers

Sewer Cleaners

Street Sweepers

Steel Worker

Long Distance Lorry Driver

Oil Driller

Ice Road Trucker

Mariner

To name but a few working class jobs, dominated by men that you seem to think are a cakewalk compared to doing some housecleaning.

Sure, being a stay at home mother is not without it's challenges, but you can't seriously compare hard manual graft and grueling shifts in manual grade work, the type of which makes the world go around to cleaning up after kids and getting them to their clubs on time.

And on a related matter, when feminists complain about male dominated jobs, why is it always the CEO and manager positions they are referring to and never the aforementioned?

This argument is flat out ridiculous and people who maintain it should be soundly refuted and then mocked if they don't abandon it. Absolute tosh.

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No.

1. Housewives/ husbands are being compensated in the fact that their spouses are grafting in order to make sure everything is paid for. It's perfectly reasonable that the person not working instead takes care of domestic duties and is compensated in return by having their bills paid, food, shelter and entertainments financially taken care of.

2. Skim more from my earnings in order to pay money towards somebody who themselves have the freedom of choice to work in a job or not. I do not have that luxury, I must work, if I do not work, nothing is paid for. nobody is offering to work so that I can run the household, if they did offer that to me, I would take it happily without pay.

Absolutely ridiculous, Tax the worker more in order to pay a wage to those who are housewives, there is no wacky idea that feminists won't dream up and try to get taken seriously.

1 point

Both statements are racist as they both allude to inferiority/ superiority disparities between the races.

Which of course is ridiculously FALSE because as we all know everybody is EXACTLY THE SAME!

My Filipino basketball team is gonna crush the american competition on pure skill alone.

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What is this eerily Orwellian outlook?

PC (Political Correctness) - I find that this definition serves; Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct, commonly abbreviated to PC) is a pejorative term used to criticize language, actions, or policies seen as being excessively calculated to not offend or disadvantage any particular group of people in society.

Is an affront to free speech and hence an affront to the western ideals of the enlightenment. Western values - reason, science, democracy, free speech, freedom of religion, free press, a secular state, private property, free enterprise, and so on.

An individuals right to offend should be more protected than an individuals "right" to be protected from offence.

The thing with offence is that is is taken, never given. Each individual has a personal threshold for what they find offensive and what they do not and that differs from the next person.

The thing about ideas, beliefs, ideology, speech and memes is that they should be traded freely in an open marketplace. Those memes that cannot stand scrutiny will not survive it.

We should tolerate;

Speech up until the point of incitement

Eccentricity up until the point of madness

Whatever happened to, "Whilst I do not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Why are the values of Western Enlightenment so important? Because they are the basis upon which humans have built up the greatest and most free civilization (so far at least) and every alternative to those values has failed at doing so.

"I'm offended"

Is no argument to anything. Debunk their claims using facts. If they're not inciting then ignore them. We can't police thought and therefore it is foolish to curtail speech.

Bad ideas should be given light of day where rational people can see them and shoot them down with the arrow of truth.

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85 Sharia Councils according to this study.

Channel 4 Site - Contains link to study.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-qa-sharia-law-uk/18486

Muslims Enforcing Sharia Law on The Streets of London
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Islam does not mean peace, it means Submission.

EVIDENCE;

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/TheMeaningofIslam

people often make apologies or defenses of the "Religion of peace" whilst well-meaning are often ill-informed and are actively delaying the freedom and peace that Islamic moderates and free-thinkers are crying out for who live under these brutal regimes.

I don't care if it's politically incorrect to say so, it is a matter of global urgency that a spade be called a spade and this evil recognised for what it is and opposed as stridently and comprehensively as it can be. Before they get their hands on a 10,100 or 1000 Kiloton bomb.

Though if you are Muslim yourself, is your attempt to persuade non Muslims of Islams "Peaceful" intentions by manipulating their ignorance of your religion and a manifestation of your belief in Taqiya?

Taqiya - Deception & Concealment - For those non-muslims who want to get a clue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya

"Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices it. We can go so far as to say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream...Taqiyya is very prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern era." - Raymond Ibrahim

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The Quran:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

I could go on and on.

Yes, ISIS/ISIL/Hezbollah/Hamaz/Al-Nusra/Al-Qaeda and all of the other factions that comprise the global Islamist movement are indeed devout Muslims who are following the clear and unequivocal example of the prophet as dictated to him by god.

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