Debate #4 in Joes plight to be supremely annoying.

The irony is that he succeeded with debate #1.

Wow! You're only religious when it's convienent and proves your point.

That's how I felt about Bush, and he lasted two terms. So if there is any justice, Obama will get four terms to fix it all.

As is your right, as is democracy, as is inevitabilty that all will eventually be dethroned.

Good grief... Yeah, sure Joe. If psycholgists agree that homosexuality is a psychological disorder then whatever.

Check and mate. Were back to the same place we were during the last debates.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean taxes can't pay for it.

Boom, boom, pow!

(I'm condenseing the debate, so I'll respond to both of your last arguements here.)

How could he have been bitching to get what he wanted? He had already left his jet skis behind. There was nothing that I, as the bitchee, could do to save his jet skis. He was just whineing to me because I had to listen.

And I was not appaulled by the fact that he was rich. Who am into descriminate against anyone? I was simply appauled that he was bitching about his jet skis, rather than being grateful for what he could save, which was a lot!

Women aren't stupid. We know how we got where we got.

So do smokers, so do alcoholics, so do drug users, so do oveR eaters, et cetera!

Yes, ultimatly it is a woman who bares the burden of a pregnancy. But you, quite often, fail to mention the other party. A lot of time a woman is pressured to get an abortion by the father. Sometimes she is in an abussive relationship, and a baby would trap her there forever. Condoms can fail, or can be tamperred with. Shit happens. It's not all black and white, and as a man I don't expect your to understand that, but I wish you'd try.

This is a reliogusly backed debate. Its not be the reasons for your opinion, but I added that because there are others who read these debate and don't participate. I like to be as thourough as possible.

Oh! And how about this: It is a choice, that's true. And women should have to deal with the consequences! So should we not cover pre natal care? Should we not educate that child? Should we not provide any services for that child, because it was her choice to have it?

I like pecans, actually.

Even if a woman is a rape or incest victim, abortion is a choice.

Even if it is your only option, open heart surgery is still an option.

As humans we make decisions millions of times today. Just because we make the same, obvious choices, doesn't mean they aren't still choices.

People choose to smoke, should we not cover cancer?

People choose to use dirty needles and have unprotected sex, should we not cover treatment for aids?

People choose to play sports, when they fall, should we leave them there?

This is America, where we fight for the freedom to make choices. Where we fight for the freedom from religious prosecution, let that be prosecution for our religious beliefs or lack there of. I'm going to keep fighting for my rights.

Im very glad that you are allegedly putting in some effort, but as I recall, you've already been bitching about this.

Do you remember the fires a few years ago? Well at that time I was still working my way into my current position as a front desk agent at a hotel.... I'm not telling you which one because you already creep me out. :P You could figure it out with a little luck and a little research, but please don't.

So anyway, before the fires, half the hotel had been booked for a conference and the other 50% cancelled because of the fire. So we started taking internally displaced fire victims... Well these people brought everything they owned, and I remember one guy specifically that needed 7 parking passes.... 7. And he was still bitching that he had to leave his jet skis. Now luckily the conference was for the EPA, and they all took public transportation, so we had the parkig space... But I was just appaulled that all these people were likening themselves to Katrina Victims or refugees... It was disgusting.

My point is, you don't need 7 hummers and a few jet skis to be happy... All of that stuff if superficial. All you need is the basic essetials, a few loved ones, and a little time to take it all in.

Call me robinhood, call me crazy, call me a freakin' liberal, but I say, fuck the rich, they're damn rich enough.

If that doesn't work for you, then think of it as insurance. You have a pretty good idea of what your future holds for you, but you never know. You might be wearing a barrel and suspenders some day, and you might need a little help from some rich person, too.

That's the point of a civilization, to work together to create a paradise where everyone is healthy and happy.

Of my race, which is white (I'm English, Scotish, Irish and Polish), I dislike the continuing feeling of superiority towards others. Were white... Big whoop.

Of my religion, which is none, I dislike the lack of time dedicated to meditation or inward thinking. Prayer, your personal conversation with God, is in my opinion, a form of meditation. If you are not religious, you should participate in some sort of meditation for your own benifit.

Of my culture, I dislike... A whole heck of a lot, mainly the consumerism.

I'm going to have to disagree.

There are a lot of a-holes out there... But overall I think most everyone has good, kind intentions.

It is part of our evolutionary destiny that we depend on each other. We and chimps and apes and all of our cousins, live in groups. We raise our children together, we hunt and gather together, we groom and sleep together, we thrive together.

Anthropologists believe that human women feel pain in child birth for the sole purpose that we will seek the help of others!

Overall, were kind and decent people. Don't let a few bad apples get you down.