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HAHA they are, you don't see females starting wars and bombing the shit out of brown people.

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(sorry for the length) :)

Let's start with your first rebuttal.

"How, exactly, does one go about hiding the discriminatory mass-murder of the political elite from over 300 million people?"

The news that we're given from our media, believe it or not, is filtered and watered down. The first filter is size and ownership. On the face of it, it seems that we have thousands of different sources we get our news from but this is not true. If you look up the big six media, you will see that 6 major corporations own over 90% of the media. (GE, Walt Disney, News Corp, Time Warner, Viacom, CBS, Clear Channel Communication) These six corporations own many thousands of news outlets under different names, to give us the illusion of choice. But we really don't have thousands of choices we have 6. The second filter is advertising. Mainstream media's objective isn't to educate the people......... it's to make $$$$. They are not going to publicly talk about anything controversial that will make their advertisers pull out. Main stream media has every reason to underplay huge issues such as citizens united. The increased flow of dollars to candidates means more profit for commercial television in election years. The mainstream media basically sells democracy to the highest bidder. There are a couple other filters but I won't get into the right now. I urge you to fact check all of this, people need to wake up and learn that this is true.

"Define "poor"."

I don't know if your sources are credible, but according to the last report the Census Bureau conducted more than 45 million people live below the poverty line. If you don't believe that listen to this, The U.S. Department of Agriculture, which oversees SNAP (food stamps), counted almost 43.6 million people in the program in April 2016, the most recent data available. Many people that receive food stamps have a full time job, they work from 9-5 if not longer and still need food stamps to be able to get by. I know, I used to be a food stamp recipient. SO explain to me how this system works, people work hard and long and still can't get by without help.

"In my opinion, the government's far too involved in our economic system for it to function correctly."

It's not the government alone that's involved, it's the corporations that lobby the government. Billion dollar corporations lobby both parties and so they hedge their bets. So it doesn't matter who wins, in the end they get what they want.

"Which is entirely illegal; responsibility for failure to enforce campaign and bribery legislation lies entirely on the government's shoulders."

It is illegal if you call it buying elections, but it's not illegal if you call it lobbying or campaign donations. These campaign donations aren't given because of similar political stances, they're given because politicians pass legislation that benefits their donors. It's not a coincidence that once companies give campaign donations legislation gets passed that favors that company or pac. Here's an example the Goldman and Sacs donated to Bush's campaign and Henry Paulson who firmly worked for Goldman sacs was appointed treasury secretary. Then when the government bailed out big banks coincidentally Goldman sacs received the most money.

"Can you provide any example of this that doesn't fall under my above statement?"

The example given above and I'll give you another one. Millions of dollars were 'donated' by Robert Stanford on political campaigns they year congress was debating a bill to curb financial fraud. Two of the biggest recipients were Bill Nelson and John McCain. Three key Democrats on the senate banking committee got checks from Stanford too. Surprise, surprise the reform never got out of the senate. (Another example is the citizens united case, you can look this one up for yourself.)

"Which is, to reiterate, illegal. Further, a progressive tax system is inherently anti-Capitalist, as it punishes success and therefore deincentivizes it, and is therefore inherently contradictory to the system."

Loopholes are not illegal warren buffet admitted to using legal loopholes and only paying a lower rate than his employees. And when we did have a 91% tax rate our budget was at a surplus, can you guess where our budget is now?

"Other than the fact that the top ten percent of earners in the US account for more than half of all tax revenue, while the top one percent account for around a fifth? Meanwhile, the bottom fifty percent of earners account for three percent of all taxes. I have to reiterate: how, exactly, does the system fail? Where are the unwashed masses of starving children dying in droves in the streets beneath the gold-plated skyscrapers of the rich you appear to be alluding to?"

the tax systems are "upside down," with the poor paying more and the rich paying less. Overall, the poorest 20 percent of Americans paid an average of 10.9 percent of their income in state and local taxes and the middle 20 percent of Americans paid 9.4 percent. The top 1 percent, meanwhile, pay only 5.4 percent of their income to state and local taxes. -CNBC article

(http://www.cnbc.com/2015/01/15/do-the-wealthy-pay-lower-taxes-than-the- middle-class.html)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/1-in-5-us-households-with-kids-dont-have-enough-to-eat-report us57ed52d9e4b024a52d2d9162

I used to live in Jamaica Queens, a lot of my friends only got to eat in school and pretty much ate little to no food at home. If you want to see these 'starving children' visit a ghetto, cause I don't think you have.

I urge you to fact check me, but unfortunately this is the reality we live in today. Please feel free to message me if you wish to further talk about this topic.

Fun fact : in 2011 , all the Republican candidates for president were asked in a debate what would happen if they were presented a deal to tackle the federal deficit, and the deal would yield $10 in budget cuts for every $1 of tax increases. “Who on this stage would walk away from that deal?” asked Fox News’s Bret Baier. Every single one of them raised their hands, so deeply offensive did they find the notion of any tax increase at all, even one that would allow enormous progress on another goal they claimed to hold dear.

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Well, actually there is much much genocidal oligarchy it is just hidden from the public. The 20 richest people in the America have as much wealth as the bottom 152 million people in America. Our form of capitalism has never worked for the poor and it's starting to fall apart for the middle class. Capitalism is good in theory but that's not what we have today. Today corporations can buy elections and write legislation that's not capitalism, that's fascism. We used to have capitalism, in the 1940's the rich paid 91 % income taxes, today they're paying close to nothing or in some cases nothing, due to extensive loopholes that were sent in place by the lobbying super rich. Warren Buffet the investing guru admitted to paying a lower tax rate (17%) than his employees.

"The rich keep all of the money, pay none of the taxes.

The middle class keep none of the money, pay all of the taxes.

The poor are just there to scare the shit out of the middle class. " -George Carlin

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Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don’t fall out of the sky. They don’t pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It’s what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you’re going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain’t going to do any good; you’re just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it’s not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here… like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There’s a nice campaign slogan for somebody: ‘The Public Sucks. Fuck Hope.’

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Gandhi, JFK, RFK, John Lennon, MLK JR., Malcom X, Harvey Milk; all of these people said that we should live together in peace and harmony. And what happened to them? BAM! All were assassinated. We're not ready for peace.

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This is exactly what George Orwell described in his book 1984, war is a tool used by the government to destroy excess resources.

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Maybe we should do the same for white people who shoot up schools like sandy hook. Maybe we should take white people off the streets, and school shootings would be greatly diminished. You can't combat a problem with racism.

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Don't forget that America during world war 2 also rounded up American citizens that were Japanese and put them in internment camps. This shows that when you need your rights the most they are taken away. Our bill of rights should really be called a temporary bill of privileges.

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There are 1.6 billion muslims in the world and you're going to say 95 percent of them are terrorists, which is 1.52 billion. So you think there are 1.52 billion terrorists, let that sink in for a minute.

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How can you be so low as to accuse a race of black people of having an "oh poor us" syndrome? Blacks were dragged out of their continent to come and work as slaves in America. And in 2017 they're still treated like 2nd class citizens.

You look at any poor ghetto in America and what's synonymous within them? Poor blacks and latinos. And they're going to stay poor unless their schools are improved upon. Education is the key to getting over poverty. The typical black child who is born and raised in poverty sees his parents work 8-10 hours a day for $8.75 and still need welfare and food stamps to eat. Then he sees drug dealers who are flaunting their wealth, wearing flashy clothes and having a great life. What course do you think that poor black child is going to follow,? Work like a slave for minimum wage or turn to a life of crime, a superficial happiness?

And furthermore, we have a prison industrial complex all in pursuit of profits, which uses prisons to work for companies. The private prison owners have financial incentives ti keep prisons full of "cheap "labor".

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