If you are a Christian then you should not be ashamed to say why.

This is a debate site…people are here to agree and disagree.

It is a choice. And when abortion was illegal the majority of women had their babies. Less women got pregnant because they knew that abortion was really not an option…it was hard to find illegal abortion clinics and doctors that would perform them. So they thought twice about having sex. Now abortion is an option and many women use it as birth control.

You can't be both. You either want abortions legal…or you want protection for the unborn and want it illegal. One thing your not…Pro-life…not if you want abortion legal. Thats like child abuse. Looking away you know its wrong but its your neighbors right to do it. Do you help the children no.

Now rape is a serious violent act and it is wrong. But that which is created is still a child, innocent at that. It makes no difference to the child whether the mother was raped. So the rape is one violent act…and abortion is the next. The mother chooses to violently end her childs life.

I have known people who have used birth control but still got pregnant. Accidents happen…but, you still are taking the risk…because no birth control is 100% effective…..unless you get fixed. We live in a sexually active society. If more women are keeping their babies because they are not looked down on by society anymore. More couples live together today than get married. TV, radio, magazines, movies…..in general foster the idea that if it feels good it can't be that bad. We are a sexual society and we celebrate the deviant. Kids know about sex earlier than ever today. So I highly doubt that if women have sex they don't know what can happen. Accidents happen…and women know that.

It is sad that what you morally disagree with you don't have the guts to stand up for. So you help to paint a bullseye on every child who is conceived in its mothers womb.

But you are wrong…it is you just don't hear about it. And if you are pro-choice then…what is the problem with it? Do you not want to be put on the spot during the Super bowl if someone in your group says wow…who could be for that? Then you would have to say well I condone it…I am pro-choice? Or you could sit there and hide your opinion and just agree so you don't look bad.

I don't have to look it up. Have you ever heard of Tiller…the doctor that was killed for doing late term abortions? He did them like this as do clinics all over the country. YOU DONT HEAR ABOUT THEM BECAUSE THEY HIDE IT…IT IS ILLEGAL. It is done. Last year alone two late term abortion clinics were shut down…one in LA and one in New Mexico. It is done and you are very naive if you think it isn't. And as I said…..is there something wrong with abortion Saurbaby? If you are pro-choice it should be legal because your position stands on the fact that no woman should have to carry something if she does not want to do it. That would enslave her. So if she wants an abortion say at eight months….it should be ok.

The picture is accurate and true. You yourself said in this post…."Abortion is not done like that ANYMORE." Which….LOL implies that you know it was done and the picture is accurate.

Did you know that in that tiny clump of cells…22 days after conception when most women don't even know they are pregnant…the heart starts beating. Yea…in that blob you think is nothing.

What is the abortionists goal?

And people who are pro-choice want abortions legal. They want laws in place that give the woman the option of killing. And if we had a nationwide vote…and a pro choicer voted…which would he vote…..Pro-choice abortion or no abortion?

So you think abortion is bad…but yet you want it legal so others can do it. LOL

Abortion is taking a life and that is bad. Abortion procedures are inhumane,,,we don't even do it on animals like we do humans.

Nothing is good about abortion.

Now I know why you won't answer the …do you believe the woman has the right to kill throughout her entire pregnancy? Because if you say yes…then wow…you look terrible even to the pro-choicers who use viability as an excuse,,,and if you say no…then you enslave the woman and your excuse that abortion should be legal because its the woman's body and should be her decision….is shot down. What is it….answer the question. I am debating your position on this and need to know. Are you afraid to answer?

It proves that you were blessed with life…..circular or not. The statement Reagan made is true. We are given life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in our Constitution….but without life we can't have the others. And we deny that which is in the womb the things you and I take for granted.

You obviously feel killing is ok, I do not.

You don't think two wrongs make a right in this circumstance because you champion abortion.

Curious …..what situations is abortion wrong?

I have explained why abortion is wrong. It is not right for anyone to be able to kill something like abortion does…on a completely separate human being. I give it personhood….it is immoral. Taking a life like this is wrong. In war…two sides are fighting. Our servicemen and women sign up to go…they take risks. What risk does an unborn take? How can you possibly compare the two? You can't. War is about protection….how can the unborn fight for its protection?

Well obviously you don't think life is sacred…your pro-abortion. LOL

So if someone killed your little girl or boy….you would not consider their lives sacred, special,….that their lives deserved sanctity?

It would be just Oh well……Ill have another kid.

The mother has rights…she had a right to have sex. She had a right to take the risk. But once a life has started….those rights should be put on the back burner until the child is born…then she also has rights to decide what to do with it. Keep it or adopt it out. Its nine short months…to do what is right…to allow something to live…THAT YOU HELPED CREATE. AFter conception it is a separate human being…this is a scientific fact. A FACT. You propose to kill human beings…you say this is ok.

How barbaric and cold is that?

It should not matter whether the child will make it or not. If it doesn't and dies…then it was meant to be. Abortion is premeditated killing. Nothing spontaneous about it….you hire someone to kill someone…in this case the unborn child in the womb….who was invited in BY THE MOTHER, BUT HER RISK HER CHOICE.

I gee the Oprah example to show that…the argument by pro-aborts does not hold water. Most pro-aborts say abortion is good because……the child might have problems…might grow up in poverty……might face lives trials….

I GOT NEWS FOR YA……WE ALL FACE TRIALS. Oprah did in her life…and she overcame them. She grew up in a home that was not healthy or functional. To kill because you think someone MIGHT FACE A SIMILAR LIFE…is still wrong. So don't use this excuse that abortion would save children from a life….so full of misery that they would be better off dead.

You said this…."Again, not necessarily. I support abortion only when a foetus can't be confidently said to lack rationality, autonomy

and self-consciousness."

Now wait one minute here. Can a newborn baby do any of these? No.

What does a newborn have that it didn't have five minutes before in the womb before it was born? LOL

Are you telling me that you want abortion legal….because the woman has a right to her own body…and THEN YOU TELL HER SHE CANT ABORT IN LATER MONTHS? LOL

I am antichoice abortion. I am also antichoice drugs…and rape….and child pornography. You can also add..anti selling body parts,selling organs also abortion for the purpose of selling fetal body parts. All these are laws that prohibit people from doing things that most would not hurt anyone else. But we still have them on the books.

are you pro-on all of these?

If not then you enslave someone from doing something with their body. So you are anti-choice. So why do you fault me for being antichoice abortion?

I believe that science established the fact that the life in the womb is a separate human being from its mother. It does not share organs…does not have the same finger prints…etc. It is simply using the space to grow. It did not ask to be there it was invited by its mother. It was her body also that invited the sperm into the space where conception took place. She is the one who knew what could happen….when she had sex. She took the risk. She should be responsible for what happens. It was her risk and fault…not the unborns.

I am forced everyday to do things I don't want to do. I hate seat belts…but I am forced by law to wear them. And texting in the car. Who should have the right to stop someone from doing this if they are careful. Its their phone…its their car. THEY TAKE THE RISK JUST LIKE THE WOMAN DOES WHEN SHE HAS SEX. We all live by rules many we don't like. I do not like abortion.

I do not fail to see anything…I see things crystal clear. Anyone that opposes protection for the unborn is pro-abortion. Pro in the sense THEY WANT ABORTION LEGAL….WHICH MEANS BABIES DIE. That is not pro-life…even if they would never get one themselves. I go to conventions and seminars with Right to Life. If you stood up and said….."I am pro-choice but I am against abortion"…you would be laughed out of the room. It simply can not be.

Can you be pro-choice and sit back and allow your neighbor to abuse his children? Could you have been pro-choice and allowed slaves like they did in the South? Could you have been pro-choice and turn your head at what Hitler did to those he marched into the ovens?

I am not happy. I am not happy with positions here because they are barbaric and cruel and cold. For me its like looking into the eyes of evil.

Debate is a way of changing hearts as well if someone is open enough to examine their position. Try it…..

You just described evolution in your post. Science can't even begin to address the impossibilities, factual inaccuracies and self contradictions.

And all those flying goats they found and called them ancestors.

Your views are not consistent.

You said….

I don't believe in God or Heaven or Jesus.

Religion is fake.

I am not an atheist.

In trouble I will remember God and will believe.

Actually I don't believe in God.

I believe in ME.

WHAT?

Don't feel bad because scientists can't even tackle that question.

I believe God is eternal that He was the first Cause.

Scientists can prove however that the earth we are on is not eternal…that we did have a beginning. So what was it? What created life as we know it to be? An explosion? Big Bang?

I believe only an intelligent designer could have done all this what we know.

Entropy states that the universe tends to move from a state of order to disorder. There is not mechanism of physics that would organize initial life cells and entropy implies the opposite. Evolution requires inconceivable random development of order from chaos. What it implies is that from this chaos…the most complexed things like the human body…particularly the egg, the eye…is the end product of an entropy law that is accepted as fact. Takes faith to believe that. I place my faith in something else….an intelligent designer who with purpose in mind created all of creation.

Evolution provides no answer for anything. I read the other day that scientists know that our sun is burning out. If there was infinite time, our sun and all other stars would have burned out already.

Science does not agree with you….something can't come from nothing.

I do not think it is bad at all if you name people who make comments. Everything we post our name is tacked on. What your doing is like accusing someone with no evidence. Please use mine if you have a comment about one of my posts whether you agree or disagree.

I loved The Help, War Horse and Bridesmaids not in that order. I would say The Help and War Horse are tied for my faves.