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I myself as a Christian am not a trinitarian I would ask opportunity to explain - why ?

My intent is never to be disrespectful or harmful to Trinitarian believers but to express and show the evidence

the truth is, the Translations always translate the passages of the Bible to always say that Jesus is

" ON " - the right hand of God; but never, ever once is the Greek word - " ON " ἐπί - epi - used to describe Jesus

" ON " the right of God, this is never expressed in the manuscripts

for example, we see the usage of this Greek word in - Mat 26:50- they laid hands " ON " ἐπί - epi - Jesus, and took him.

the Greek word here is - " ON " is - - ἐπί - epi - ​

but notice we see the definition of the Greek word { εν } - meaning - IN / in, this Greek word " εν - IN " is used a total of 2,720 total times in the New Testament. that's - two thousand, two hundred, and twenty total times.

the Greek manuscripts declare that Yahashua is - IN / εν = EN

IN / εν = EN, - in the right of power

IN / εν = EN, - the right of the throne

IN / εν = EN, - the right of the Father

IN / εν = EN, - the right of God

Heb 12:2 Christ is set - ἐν - en - - in the right of the throne of God.

Heb 10:12 Jesus is forever sat down - ἐν - en - - in the right of God;

1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is - ἐν - en - - in the right of God;

Rom 8:34 Christ in - ἐν - en - - in the right of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Eph 1:20 Christ in - ἐν - en - - in his own right - ἐν - en - - in in the heavenly place.

Heb 8:1 Christ is set - ἐν - en - - in the right of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Heb 1:3 sat down - ἐν - en - - in the right of the Majesty - ἐν - en - - in the high.

this Greek word " εν " IN - is used a total of 2,720 total times in the manuscripts - and 47 total times in the translation the translators change this word to replace and change this word - into the word {( ON )} -

to replace the word " IN " with the word " ON " is something that is possible to do but very rarely because the true meaning and definition of the Greek word " - ἐν - En - mean literally in Greek - IN

you can replace the Greek word " IN " with the word " ON " - - for example the translation says

Mar 14:2 But they said, Not { ON } the feast day,

however, the Greek word here in " Mar 14:2 " is the Greek word " - ἐν - En - meaning literally in Greek - IN

and should more properly translate as - IN, - as the manuscripts say exactly

:2 But they said, Not { IN } the feast day, - not ON the feast day, the manuscripts say " IN the day of the feast "

because that the the matter was dealing with death and capture of Jesus wherein the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death.

PRIESTS AND SCRIBES LITERALLY SAID :2 But they said, Not { IN } the feast day, they did not say UPON or ON the feast day - - they stated - - :2 Not { IN } the feast day,

you can replace the Greek word " IN " with the word " ON " - however, this is not something that is done in very many examples because these two words have a completely different meaning. The Greek word " IN " means literally " INSIDE " inside of an idea or an object or location and this is where Jesus originates , it is - IN - God,

INSIDE God's Throne and Power and Spirit where Jesus originates

the priests and scribes here, they were not concerned or opposed to the capturing and killing of Jesus upon or " ON " the celebrated day of the feast, in their minds they felt that upon or on the feast day it would not be wrong to take care of their threat and problem - - on a holy day

but for reasons that that were immediate in their minds and feeling - they used the word " IN " - inside

saying they did not want to capture and kill Jesus " IN " - inside / during the the feast day.

it was not saying - they did not want to do this upon the day of the feast but it was in the feast day

to them, doing this would have no long term effect for their future to have done this ON / UPON the the feast day in a historical context - this was not their point.

but for the success and ability to make his capture and killing a success, they stated - not IN the feast day

this could be the difference between using the word " in / inside " - opposed to the word " on / upon "

we see also, the Greek manuscripts literally using the Greek word OUT FROM / EXITING " ἐξ - EX " when describing Yahashua exiting / departing out from and out God - the Greek word literally means " ἐξ - EX " =

OUT OF / FROM

Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of God.

Yahashua exists both IN and OUT OF the right of God - He originates and dwells inside " IN' " the spirit of God

Mat 26:64 Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of power, coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mar 14:62 ye shall see the Son of man sitting " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mar 12:36 The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right untill I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Mat 22:44 Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right until I make thine enemies thy footstool

Mat 22:44 Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right until I make thine enemies thy footstool

Luk 22:69 the Son of man sitting " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of the power of God.

Act 2:34 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right

Mar 16:19 and sat " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of God.

Luk 20:42 Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right

Act 2:25 for he is " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right

SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR JESUS TO BE IN AND OUT OF THE RIGHT OF GOD ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

when he appears in bodily form - he is always described as literally departing dwelling out outside of the right of god - externally - exterior - manifesting externally - the physical visible form of the invisible spirit

OUTSIDE OF GOD - appearing to man ​

WHEN HE IS IN THE THRONE - HE HAS ENTERED - DWELLING IN THE RIGHT OF GOD - UNSEEN INVISIBLE RETURN BACK IN THE SPIRIT OF THE HOLY WHERE HE ORIGINATES AS AN ATRIBUTE OF GODS SPIRIT

and he is forever in the right of god - but can depart out of the right of god - to dwell out of the right of god.... in bodily form - visible and can exist both at the same time - in and out of the right of God, NEVER - NOT EVEN ONE SINGLE TIME - do we find Yahashua sitting ON or AT the right HAND of God. - NEVER EVER IN THE MANUSCRIPTS

i promise you this is truth, the Greek manuscripts always express Yahashua as both

- ἐν - en - - IN -

and

" ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " God

the evidence is there in the manuscripts exact and precise - the Greek word " ON " is - ἐπί - epi - is never once in the manuscript using the Greek word " ON " to express Yahashua on the right of God

ON - is - - ἐπί - epi

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Trinity doctrine expresses as fact that before Yahashua was born

​☞ that Yahashua ÿlready existing humble to father. - ÿternal, humble, Co equal trinitarian God / son ↩

​☞ that Yahashua was ÿlready submissive to father. - ÿternal, submissive Co equal trinitarian God / son ↩

​☞ that Yahashua was ÿlready existing sitting on the right hand side of father. - ÿternally, to the right of father - Co equal - God the son

this is his Co - eternal status - rank - station - position - reputation - existence - in the Godhead ↩

​​☞ that Yahashua was ÿlready existing under the command of the superior father - - eternally, the father was superior

​ The Father is supreme in authority among the Persons of the Godhead ↩

☞ that Yahashua was ÿlready the second in command - the chain of command is, Father who commands ÿon whom is given authority to command Spirit ↩

☞ that Yahashua ÿlready existed in the likeness of men: and already existed - in the FORM of God - as a FORM of God ↩

this is whom the trinitarian Jesus has always been, CO - ETERALLY ✣ CO - EQUALLY ✣

But yet with the birth of Trinitarian Yahashua

Php 2:7 ✣ says that Yahashua TOOK UPON himself the FORM / morph of a servant, and was MADE / CREATED in the likeness of men:

:8 ✣ says that And being FOUND in fashion as a MAN , he humbled himself, and became obedient

2:9 ✣ Wherefore God also hath highly EXALTED / him, and GIVEN him a name which is above every name:

suddenly Yahashua is GIVEN High-rank ✒ GIVEN dignity ✒ GIVEN exaltation ✒ GIVEN a promotion ✒

elevated -

suddenly all of this has been given to Trinitarian Yahashua - as if he had never existed with high-rank, dignity, exaltation and suddenly GIVEN a name that is above every other name in heaven and earth

Trinitarian Jesus was already CO - ETERNAL ✣ CO - EQUAL ✣ why - why is he suddenly being GIVEN this equality with the father if this is something he already possesses and exists as

Trinitarian Jesus was already humble to father ☞ submissive to father ☞ sitting on the right hand side of father. - ÿternally, on the right of father

already ☞ second in command - Father commands ÿon

☞ ÿlready existed in the likeness of men: and already existed

✣ already existing himself the FORM / morph of a servant, and ALREADY existing as eternally MADE / CREATED in the likeness of men:

the eternal son / the man / God - why is Trinitarian Jesus being given something he eternally already has

why is Trinitarian Jesus being given something he eternally already has - - as CO - ETERNAL ✣ CO - EQUAL ✣

why is Trinitarian Jesus adapting, changing, morphing, forming, being made lower, humbled, submissive, obedient and CHANGING HIS ATTITUDE - changing his REPUTATION, STATUS, RANK - being suddenly made, fashioned SUDDENLY FINDING HIMSELF made as the form of a man - god - with human flesh.

, - - as CO - ETERNAL ✣ CO - EQUAL ✣

if Trinitarians claim that this is always what and who the Trinitarian Jesus had always existed as and had eternally possessed. God also hath highly EXALTED / him, and GIVEN him a name which is above every name:

but this is who and what Trinitarians claim Jesus already had been CO - ETERNALLY ✣ CO - EQUALLY ✣

and where did Jesus previously sit in heaven before he was promoted and moved in his seating order and seating arrangement - the father in moving and relocating Jesus ? ? ?

In the Trinity translation - Jesus was not ON the right hand of God before Jesus is being commanded to b re- positioned, re - located, moved from one position of status and rank of authority, he is being promoted - progressing and changing his seating order - moving up in rank ?

The Trinitarian Translation presents Jesus as being promoted, re - positioned, re - located and moving, changing the placement and status of his position from one existing position to be re located and placed and moved to another higher position, a higher status - rank / authority

- was Jesus not sitting ON the right hand of God before God re- located him there ? ! ↩

these 3 simple trinitarian questions are questions that I have never been able to receive an answer from Trinitarians, based upon their translations / the scriptures themselves. This is somewhat why that I do not believe in the Trinity doctrine ↩

there are simply no manuscripts to explain simple answers nor these questions - the Trinitarian Faith System simply is not consistent nor honest - to believe something that is in complete contradiction and adverse unto itself. - like a circular reasoning that eternally encloses in upon itself in continual loop repeating the same step and then back again

is this not one step theology that turns in upon itself, lurching - spinning around back to its original position - never moving beyond a single step in reason and truth ?

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please notice exactly what 1Pe 1: 10 - 12 is saying

:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of The ANOINTING / CHRIST which was IN them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of the anointing / Christ, and the glory that should follow.

:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Spirit Holy sent down from heaven.......................

this is explaining that the prophets did not receive the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ - Jesus Christ the son of God was never revealed to them

- revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us - - - -

they ministered the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Spirit Holy sent down from heaven

but we see in the manuscripts that Christ / The Anointing was IN these Old Testament prophets as they suffered as prophets who were filled with Christ in them- the spirit of God anointing them

and ..... their very suffering that they endured for the sake of the Anointing / Christ in them signified and declared and testified the future suffering of Christ / The Anointing - the Son Of God - to come in the future.

this was not revealed to them as knowledge and understanding they understood - this was kept secret, hidden from them, unknown,.

meaning = they are a testimony that the Anointing / Christ was in them - but they did not testify of the Son Of God, whom was born in the last days " Jesus The Anointing but testified of the Spirit of the Eternal anointing them / Christ, the eternal word.

he did not yet exist in human flesh and was not yet born as a son whom the Spirit of God in him is the one eternal God manifested as the Christ / Anointing.

Joh 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life,

Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my word hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken

Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

Luk 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

Luk 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts

Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word ,

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water

1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word , in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called " The word of God "

the word is what the spirit of the father always commands and sends - as a manifestation of him visibly and also sent to earth as the Anointing / Christ - the word.

Act 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that the Anointing should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

God was in the Anointing son of God reconciling the world unto himself - the Spirit of God committed himself to become manifested as the very spirit of the man Yahashua and this Spirit of God suffered and offered himself in Yahashua - through the eternal spirit.

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Yes, Lord God, The Most High, can reveal itself in multiple different ways in different times and different circumstances

but Trinity doctrine attempts to insert and invent a second person within the translation - this is done by changing and altering and manipulating and mistranslating - changing the original message of the manuscripts

please notice the facts

The exact Phrase “ Holy Spirit “ exists 96 total times in the Trinitarian Translation - “ kjv “

Yet,- - it only exists - -- 12 - -- total times in the Manuscripts, let’s look at these manuscripts .

Here is a Trinitarian mistranslation, - - - - Eph 1:13 sealed with that “ Holy Spirit “ of promise,

Here is - Original manuscript Eph 1:13

:13 εσφραγισθητε SEALED - - - τω WITH - - - πνευματι THE SPIRIT - - - της BY THE - επαγγελιας PROMISE - - - τω THAT IS - - - αγιω HOLY

meaning the manuscripts say - = SEALED WITH THE SPIRIT BY A PROMISE THAT IS HOLY

Again

Here is - Trinitarian mistranslation - - - - 1Th 4:8 God, who hath also given unto us his “ Holy Spirit “

Here is - Original manuscripts

:8 θεον GOD - τον WHOM - και ALSO - δοντα HAS GIVEN - το THE - πνευμα SPIRIT - αυτου HIMSELF,, - το OF THE - αγιον HOLY - εις UNTO - ημας US

meaning the manuscripts say - = GOD - WHOM - ALSO - HAS GIVEN - THE - SPIRIT - HIMSELF,, - OF THE - HOLY - UNTO - US

In - Mat 12:31, the Catholic Translators did not add or insert the word “ Holy “ - to pretend it says Holy Spirit “ -- Holy - - does not even exist in Mat 12:31 -

the word Holy was added or inserted by the Protestants in the K.J.V

Mat 12:31 Blaspheme against the “ Spirit “ not “ Holy Spirit “

96 total times the Trinitarians have - The “ HOLY - SPIRIT “ in their Translation. Yet, in the Greek Manuscripts - the exact phrase “ HOLY SPIRIT / Ghost “ this exact phrase only appears 12 total times in the entire Manuscripts. Here are the 12 total times where the Manuscripts say -

“ αγιω The Holy - πνευματι Spirit “

αγιω πνευματι

Mat 28:19 baptizing them in the name of ……..the “ Holy Spirit “

Luk 12:10 him that blasphemeth against the “ Holy Spirit “

Luk 12:12 For the “ Holy Spirit “ shall teach you

Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the “ Holy Spirit “ is come upon you:

Act 2:33 the promise of the “ Holy Spirit “

Act 2:38 Repent, and be baptized ………… ye shall receive the gift of the “ Holy Spirit “

Act 9:31 in the comfort of the “ Holy Spirit “

Act 10:45 on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the “ Holy Spirit “

Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the “ Holy Spirit “

Act 16:6 they were forbidden of the “ Holy Spirit “ to preach the word in Asia

1Co 6:19 your body is the temple of the “ Holy Spirit “

2Co 13:14 the communion of the “ Holy Spirit “ be with you all. Amen.

The rest of the New and OLD Testament do not say “ Holy Spirit “

These 48 passages say “ SPIRIT - HOLY “ in Greek = πνευματι Spirit - αγιω Holy

πνευματι αγιω

Mat 1:18 Mary - found with child of the “ Spirit - Holy “ not - the Holy Spirit

Mat 1:20 Mary - conceived in her is of the “ Spirit - Holy “ not – the Holy Spirit

Mat 3:11 baptize you with the “ Spirit - Holy “ not - the Holy Spirit

Mar 1:8 he shall baptize you with the “ Spirit - Holy “ not - the Holy Spirit

Luk 1:15 shall be filled with the “ Spirit - Holy “ not - the Holy Spirit

Luk 1:35 the “ Spirit Holy “ shall come upon thee - not - the Holy Spirit

Luk 1:41 Elisabeth was filled with the “ Spirit - Holy “ not - the Holy Spirit

Luk 1:67 Zacharias was filled with the “ Spirit – Holy “ not - the Holy Spirit

Also, the same - Luk 2:25, Luk 2:26, Luk 3:16, Luk 4:1 Luk 11:13, Joh 1:33, Joh 7:39, Joh 20:22, Act 1:2, Act 1:5, Act 4:8, Act 4:31, Act 7:55, Act 8:15, Act 8:17, Act 8:19, Act 9:17, Act 10:38, Act 11:16, Act 13:4, Act 13:9, Act 13:52, Act 19:2, Rom 5:5, Rom 9:1, Rom 14:17, Rom 15:13 Rom 15:16, 1Co2:13, 1Co 12:3, 2Co 6:6, 1Th 1:5, 1Th 1:6, 2Ti 1:14, Tit 3:5, Heb 2:4, Heb 6:4, 1Pe 1:12, 2Pe 1:21, Jud 1:20.

not - the Holy Spirit

These following “ 30 “ passages say “ SPIRIT OF THE HOLY

“ πνευμα SPIRIT - το OF THE - αγιον HOLY “ - not - “ Holy Spirit “

Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - not - the Holy Spirit

Mar 13:11 for it is not ye that speak, but the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - not - the Holy Spirit

Mat 12:32 speak against the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - not - the Holy Spirit

Mar 3:29 blaspheme against the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - not - the Holy Spirit

Also the same, in - Mar 3:29, Luk 3:22, Joh 14:26, Act 1:16, Act 2:4, Act 5:3, Act 5:32, Act 6:3, Act 6:5, Act 7:51, Act 8:18, Act 10:44, Act 10:47, Act 11:15, Act 11:24, Act 13:2, Act 15:8, Act 19:6, Act 20:23, Act 20:28, Act 21:11, Act 28:25, Eph 4:30, Heb 3:7, Heb 9:8, Heb 10:15

not - “ Holy Spirit “

The Trinitarians transpose and switch the words around, SWITCHING and MOVING - ADDING AND DELETING WORDS - also switching the word Holy before the word Spirit - to pretend to explain Holy Spirit is a third person in the Gospel. In the Old Testament, Trinitarians pretend that the phrase “ HOLY SPIRIT “ exists 3 total times. Psa 51:11, Isa 63:10, Isa 63:11 - yet, all of these passages say - IN HEBREW MANUSCRIPTS simply .......... -

........ “ ורוח SPIRIT - קדשׁך OF THE HOLY " -- -- in fact - never once, is the phrase, Holy Spirit ‘ EVER EVEN ONCE mentioned in the Old testament -

- the phrase ‘ Holy Spirit ‘ is only mentioned 12 times in the New Testament Bible Manuscripts

the other 84 times it is mentioned as ‘ Spirit OF THE Holy ‘ or as ‘ The SPIRIT HOLY ‘ ... - When “ Holy Spirit “ only exists 12 total times in the entire Bible.

And never is “ Holy Spirit “ mentioned even once in the entire Old Testament manuscript. It is - The Spirit Of The Holy, yet trinitarians insert this 3 times in the Old Testament,

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I believe that the TRINITARIANS faith system is contradictory and in opposition to what the scriptures say

it is true that - Unitarians do NOT believe that The Lord Jesus Christ is God himself - or as GOD manifested in human form.

the UNITARIANS faith system is in also in complete contradiction and opposition to everything the scriptures say.

The Scriptures do not present a Jesus whom is, - Co - Eternal Son - nor, Co - Equal Son - nor is Jesus, Co - Omnipresent Son

God is an eternal Spirit with creative power to manifest himself in many ways, also in various ways

however, this is not the Trinity

Christians who believe the truth from scripture that describes the identity and manifestation of Jesus Christ

DO NOT - believe that Jesus is, - Co - Eternal Son -

nor, Co - Equal Son

nor is Jesus, Co - Omnipresent Son

the major difference is that Trinitarian believers do NOT believe that Jesus Christ existed previously - as only a mere prophetic promise in the mind of God -

But Trinitarians believe that Jesus always was evident and clearly existing in the Old Testament as - Co - Eternal Son ... / Co - Equal Son

Biblical Christians who hold faith to the ORIGINAL MESSAGE PRESENTED IN THE MANUSCRIPTS - in their faith hold to the scripture evidence that Jesus Christ existed previously - as only a prophetic promise in the mind of God and that he came out of God and returns back to God, and a manifestation and form of God - that can appear physically visible and disappear into spiritual -

and was not eternally existing as second person - externally eternally - outside of God as a second person as - Co - Eternal Son.

nor as Co - Equal Son

nor as Co - Omnipresent Son

The Bible clearly declares that Jesus is Equal to God - and that he is Omnipresent and that Jesus is Eternal

but not - " CO " plurally Eternal as a second eternal person - but rather a visible manifestation of God -

God made flesh - born out of the spirit of the holy - the father whom is himself a Spirit God - invisible, the Bible clarifies that in " diverse - different manners " God has manifested himself, in the past history - Old Testament, But these many, many previous manifestations of God throughout history

these are not - the APPEARING OF GOD’S ONLY BORN SON,

Heb 1:1 – 2 explains from the MANUSCRIPTS

Heb 1:1 Many ways, also various ways, long ago the God spoke to their fathers

:2 in their prophets unto these last of days, of these, he spoke to them in his son upon whom is given heir, of whom also this is forever made / done.

unto these last of days, God has manifested himself IN his son whom is the one God manifesting his invisible spirit fully dwelling in his son.

was not the Ground Holy that Moses walked upon called as " HOLY GROUND " that Moses was commanded to remove his shoes.

Exo 3:2  And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire

:5  And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. 

Moses was speaking to the ANGEL / MESSENGER OF THE LORD whom appeared as a burning flame of fire in the same way that Abraham was speaking to THE LORD when God appeared in the form of a man. Abraham and Moses both spoke to the Lord as the invisible God manifested himself in the form of a visible manifestation..

All of these situations and many, many other experiences where other men and women of God were able to communicate and see VISIBLE manifestation of the invisible God - these are the same Spirit Of The Holy God as manifestations in various forms and ways - BUT THE SAME SPIRIT OF GOD - AS GOD IS A SPIRIT.

even so - - Jesus Christ is a manifestation of the spirit of God dwelling within him - as God manifested in the flesh.

Heb 1:1 Many ways, also various ways, long ago the God spoke to their fathers

:2 in their prophets unto these last of days, of these, he spoke to them in his son upon whom is given heir, of whom also this is forever made / done.

God manifesting his invisible spirit fully dwelling in his son who was conceived by the Spirit Of God

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I do not direct my words to any individual person on a personal level - but my reply is an overall reply to the Trinitarian Faith System abstractly is it exists.

this refusal of the Trinitarian to answer or discuss or attempt to answer the question I had asked, nor honestly discuss the reality concerning the manuscripts - the topic and subject is not something that the Trinitarian can discuss in complete vindicated honestly and realistically

with this, let's change the subject and step back and look at it from a historical perspective and understand why the Trinitarian is incapable. But I do not want in any way to direct my message to anyone personally but to review the facts as overall and see the Trinitarian Faith System abstractly is it exists.

Heretics from the late 1300s to the 1600s who attempted to translate the bible were condemned as heretical and all of their translations were condemned and destroyed as false translations -

they were even murdered and tortured to death and exiled.

Yet, of all of these forbidden Translations that were destroyed and burned, condemned and outlawed / prohibited by law - all of these banned and prohibited translations are not in disagreement with the King James Version.

William Whittingham, - in 1616 - just 5 years after the King James Bible was translated - King James declared the Geneva Bible translation to be - revolutionary and “seditious” treasonable.

just 5 years after the King James Bible was translated - the King James of England is banning and outlawing Bibles that are not authorized and permitted by the government.

William Tyndale - in 1408, the English Parliament passed the " Constitutions of Oxford, " forbidding translating or reading any part of the Bible in English…. Men and women were even burned for teaching their children the Apostles' Creed, the Lord's Prayer, and the Ten Commandments in English.

Miles Coverdale - in 1542 Coverdale’s Bible was placed on a list of banned books.

Miles Coverdale attempted to translate his Bible at Paris France until the French Trinitarian government stopped it, when Coverdale and his colleagues returned to England early in 1539 to complete it the Trinitarians of England drove them all and exiled them out of town and drove him away.

John Wycliffe - in 1391, a bill was placed before English parliament to outlaw and imprison anyone possessing a copy.

Yet Trinitarians today present all of these banned and outlawed Bibles as the word of God - Trinitarians today do not condemn these translations, they praise them as Godly Correct Translations -

IN FACT - ALL OF THESE PREVIOUS ATTEMPTS TO TRANSLATE THE BIBLE INTO ENGLISH ARE NOT TRANSLATION IN DISAGREMENT WITH THE KING JAMES VERSION . - IN FACT - they are in perfect agreement with everything within the King James Translation.

This mentality is exactly what Trinitarian - ism and Godhead - ian faith system and the Spirit of Trinity System represents and illustrates

The Trinitarian SYSTEM show it's true spirit of deception, foolishness and willing complicit unawareness and ignoring of the truth.

The majority / mainstream Trinitarian world system was not concerned with simply translating the Bible into a modern language but rather it was only concerned with control and power - to FORCE their Trinitarian Faith System to be enacted by “ LAW

o be enacted by - instituted government power and authority under the death penalty and torture and persecution and by using the Bible as a weapon against anyone who attempted to translate the Bible outside of the Government authority.

The majority / mainstream Trinitarian world system was dissatisfied and violently opposed to allow anyone to translate the Bible into a modern language for Trinitarians to read and understand.

This is not what Trinitarians wanted nor were concerned with - they did not want to allow someone to come along and simply take the ancient manuscripts and translate the original message within the manuscripts.

majority , mainstream Trinitarian world harshly - violently - brutally - sadistically - viciously and in bloody persecution , refusing to accept the Holy Bible translated without the power of military Government to mandate and direct a violent system to permit and allow translation of a Legal, Authorized, - { PERMIT BIBLE - BIBLE PERMIT } for the citizens, - by violent FORCE and LAW couched in control and power and manipulation.

the Trinitarian world would accept no other.

Today we see that - " Trinitarian - ism " has no manuscripts for their faith system - their entire faith system was developed by absolute manipulation - yet Trinitarians Protestants just as Trinitarian Catholics make hero’s and saints out of the very people that were persecuted and vilified and condemned by their very SYSTEM that produced the Trinitarian Bible Translation..... !

Protestants Trinitarians give elevations and promotions and honors to the saintly hero’s and martyrs who previously attempted to Translate the Bible - and their Translations are upheld as the word of God

But would not accept their translations as their bloody and violent Trinitarian government system condemned and persecuted all of these previous Bible translators as hereticks and evil perverse wicked enemies of God, yet today Trinitarians consider them as valid translations. and lift up these people as hero's, saints, men of God and holy martyrs.

ROMAN CATHOLICS HAVE DONE EXACTLY - exactly - the very same thing, their Catholic system kills, tortures, burns alive and persecutes and vilifies people who express their faith KILLING AND TORMENTING THEM - condemning them to hell

then today, their Catholic Government system turns and changes these decisions and reverts the condemnation and vilification and beatifies and consecrates the very people they killed and damned - to redeem and glorify them as holy saints,.

It just shows the mentality of the entire Trinitarian Faith System that refuses to accept the original message within the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts - just exactly as they had refused to allow the scriptures to be translated without the power of military Government to mandate and direct a violent system to permit and allow translation of a Legal, Authorized, - { PERMIT BIBLE - BIBLE PERMIT } for the citizens - by violent FORCE and LAW couched in control and power.

It was never about truth - it was never about an honest accurate translation -

it was never about the manuscripts,, - and it will never be,, - Trinitarians have absolutely no manuscripts for their faith.

Trinitarians cannot have a open reality based conversation and discussion about the manuscripts - and I prove this daily -

it is nothing but an empty hole filled with an eternal ignoring and distraction and diversion and attempts to completely avoid any conversation about the facts presented in the manuscripts of the Holy Scriptures.

no questions I have asked are answered or even honestly addressed - the Trinitarian Faith leaves the believer with no other alternative - no discussion is made in honesty -

but simply it is a system of eternal and continual attempt, to make the translators as prophets and revelators and spiritual fathers

while denying and ignoring anything honest about the original manuscript message. the manuscripts have no authority

all authority has been given to the System that manipulates

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Christians and Jews - worship a " SPIRIT "

Muslims do not worship a spirit - Muslims have no idea whom or what they are worshiping.

A God whom is an eternal Spirit is able to " spiritually " communicate and speak to the very Spirit and hearts and minds of men and women who will listen and obey, ................ how would the God of Muslims even be compared to the God of the Bible and the Prophets of God ?

Christians and Jews have preserved Scriptures that God has swore and promised that he would preserve forever

Muslims have absolutely nothing regarding any scripture that represents and reflect or account for anything regarding the God that Christians and Jews worship.

if the Muslim God is 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 or one - what is it, what is Allah ?

? why worship something that - is not a spirit - and why worship something who's only and sole existence throughout all time has ONLY been represented as an historical pagan idol. - and not represented in any preserved scriptures nor as recorded data anywhere - outside of being just another idol / god of pagans worshipers.

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The God of the Holy Scriptures given to the Hebrew prophets who's prophecies are fully written and preserved such as Moses, Samuel, Ezra, David Ezekiel, Jeremiah Elijah, and may more prophets - to Micah

this God is an eternal Spirit with creative power to manifest himself in many ways, also in various ways

however, this is not the Trinity

Christians who believe the truth from scripture that describes the identity and manifestation of Jesus Christ

DO NOT - believe that Jesus is, - Co - Eternal Son -

nor, Co - Equal Son

nor is Jesus, Co - Omnipresent Son

the major difference is that Trinitarian believers do NOT believe that Jesus Christ existed previously - as only a mere prophetic promise in the mind of God - But Trinitarians believe that Jesus always was evident and clearly existing in the Old Testament as - Co - Eternal Son ... / Co - Equal Son

Biblical Christians who hold faith to the ORIGINAL MESSAGE PRESENTED IN THE MANUSCRIPTS - in their faith hold to the scripture evidence that Jesus Christ existed previously - as only a prophetic promise in the mind of God and that he came out of God and returns back to God, and a manifestation and form of God - that can appear physically visible and disappear into spiritual -

and was not eternally existing as second person - externally eternally - outside of God as a second person as - Co - Eternal Son.

nor as Co - Equal Son

nor as Co - Omnipresent Son

The Bible clearly declares that Jesus is Equal to God - and that he is Omnipresent and that Jesus is Eternal but not - " CO " plurally Eternal as a second eternal person - but rather a visible manifestation of God -

God made flesh - born out of the spirit of the holy - the father whom is himself a Spirit God - invisible

the Bible clarifies that in " diverse - different manners " God has manifested himself, in the past history - Old Testament, But these many, many previous manifestations of God throughout history

these are not - the APPEARING OF GOD’S ONLY BORN SON,

Heb 1:1 – 2 explains from the MANUSCRIPTS

Heb 1:1 Many ways, also various ways, long ago the God spoke to their fathers

:2 in their prophets unto these last of days, of these, he spoke to them in his son upon whom is given heir, of whom also this is forever made / done.

unto these last of days, God has manifested himself IN his son whom is the one God manifesting his invisible spirit fully dwelling in his son.

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all major church organizations in the USA are taking in donations and charity for the distribution to people who are needy and without all around the world.

I am not a Mormon nor a Roman Catholic but this is a business and these religious organizations make alot of money taking in donations, filtering the millions of dollars through their hands and distributing the funds

its a very, very good busines and Catholics and Mormons are very good at doing this

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The world is a much better place because of the great things the Mormon Church has done to show love and aid and help to millions of people all around the world.

L.D.S. has collected $20 million in donations to fight against COVID-19.

tens of thousands of starving refugees in Syria are given assistance, food and needed supplies, - L.D.S. church provides tons of donated beans, rice, pancake mix, syrup and macaroni to food pantries across the U.S. -

Just in 2021 L.D.S. church collected and gave $906 million in charitable spending - 80 million pounds of food, 6.8M volunteer hours, 3,909 humanitarian projects in 188 nations and had 6.8 million volunteer hours.

Millions are served through water assistance programs. -

L.D.S. has nearly 200 emergency responses in 61 countries and territories. 80 million pounds of donated food. - The L.D.S. church collected blood donations from 105,000 individuals. L.D.S. church gathers 100,000 units of blood just from the from the church every year, L.D.S. church has a total 3,909 humanitarian projects. They even planted 15,000 tree seedlings in Ghana.

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