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1 point

I as a Liberal(-ish. My views vary from subject to subject), and while I don't speak on the behalf of all Liberals, I can explain my own personal philosophy.

~I believe that the government is put into place to provide order and structure, and laws should be implemented to protect the freedom of individuals as well as controlling the market.~

This (above) is a simplified version of what every liberal believes.

These personal freedoms include freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the freedom to do as you please with your own body (get tattoos, smoke, drink alcohol), freedom to love (same-sex marriage), etc. As long as it does not directly harm another person, it should not be limited or banned (ex. You should be allowed to drink, but as soon as you harm another person or their property while driving drunk, you are sent to prison.)

I am also pro-choice, and while some Conservatives may think this is a contradiction, I don't see it that way. I cannot consider the fetus a "person" unless it has developed certain vital cognitive functions (this does not count for people that have some kind of disability because we know they weren't meant to develop that way) such as feeling pain, so abortion should be allowed in the first trimester. After that, it should be restricted to life-threatening cases in order to protect the natural right to life.

I am against the death penalty because no matter how horrible the criminal, we shouldn't violate their right to life. Criminals should only be killed if absolutely necessary (a crazed killer charging at a police officer, and the officer shooting in self defense).

I believe that the rich should pay higher taxes than the poor because there are basic services that should be provided by the government, and the funds come from the people. If someone is earning enough to where their paycheck can be slashed in half and they can still live a comfortable life (own a house, raise a family, go on vacation) then they should pay a 50% tax. This is not violating their rights because nothing is stopping them from earning more money, the government is simply taking a share for those that can't afford basic necessities.

Those are just a few of my beliefs.

EDIT:

As for your comment about the national anthem, I don't have to stand for it because it is my RIGHT TO DO SO. There is nothing illegal about refusing to stand for it.

(I only stand for it because I would be socially stigmatized if I didn't.)

What IS unconstitutional is the fact that our pledge was edited in 1954 to include god (the first amendment exists for a reason.) (Also yes, I know the anthem and pledge are different.) Once the government decides to obey it's own laws in the most basic form, then maybe I will feel a little patriotic.

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The wall shouldn't become a thing.

We could use the money to fix our infrastructure, develop factory jobs in america (they dun took er jerbs!), develop a better healthcare system, or literally anything else that would help people.

Instead we want a monument to our stupidity that can be foiled by a ladder.

You don't want undocumented immigrants? Fine, but look for a solution that actually solves the problem.

(Target corporations that hire illegals, destigmatize those jobs, then hire American people for those jobs.)

1 point

Perception of injustice + no real direction or subtlety + Encouragement

A true recipe for disaster.

I'm not going to say that everything they complain about is wrong (police brutality is a real problem), but I can't agree with the way they treat these issues. Anything and everything is chalked up to sexism, racism and any other -ism you can think of. They lack any nuance and THAT is incredibly dangerous.

It would be one thing if they engaged in debates with Conservatives and tried their best to cooperate with the system, helping to develop laws that address their issues, but that isn't what they're doing. I could never join any of those movements simply because they aren't interesting in helping anyone; they aren't looking for solutions, they just want to be outraged.

They scream "kill all cops!" rather than "change the way cops are trained!"

They shout "there isn't enough women in STEM fields!" while they get their gender studies degree.

They cry "there isn't enough representation in x art form!" but never bother to make their own movie, tv show, video game, etc.

...

The point of forming movements is to inspire social and political change, but because they've missed that entire point, they are toxic and appear mentally unstable.

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It would be impossible to prove one way or another. That is, unless a god came down from the heavens themselves and demonstrated their existence to the entire human race. Or if there was an actual way to test a god's existence. Or any solid proof at all.

My stance is don't assume something is true unless there is a compelling reason to.

-Most people being religious is not a compelling reason, but a fallacy. (See argument from popularity.)

-The existence of a holy book doesn't prove anything. If I claimed Harry Potter was a prophet you wouldn't believe me, now would you?

-Personal anecdotes mean nothing unless shown otherwise. If I claimed I saw a dragon it wouldn't mean anything unless I brought the dragon with me. (Most of those anecdotes can be explained anyways.)

If you are going to believe in a god, do so because of a logical reason.

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It isn't okay to punch anyone, especially unprovoked.

If you just happen to stumble across someone you know is a Nazi, either don't engage them or engage with them peacefully. Punching them is only going to reinforce their own perceptions (ex. If a non-white person punches a Nazi, that person will feel their racism is validated. After all, these people are so violent and mean, so they deserve it!)

Being violent only leads to more violence, and if that Nazi guy has friends you better hope they're not bold enough to defend him. This could lead you beat up and in jail for assaulting someone.

If the Nazi tries to get violent with you first, you have the right to punch them, but try to avoid it if possible.

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It is a waste of money.

Regardless of your immigration views, the only thing you would need to get past that wall is a ladder. How could this be practically to control immigration? It isn't.

If you really want to stop illegal immigration, crack down on the corporations that keep hiring them for pennies. Then, and only then will you see the illegal immigration population diminish.

To all Conservatives: At least if you're going to pass a bunch of bs, please do it right.

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Some people are far more inclined to believe these sorts of things, especially if they are taught at a young age.

I was raised to be Roman-Catholic, but my mom was never very strict about teaching me religion. In addition, I had the internet at my disposal and a love for questioning things. Over time I just fell off the religion wagon (mainly because I was upset god never spoke to me when I prayed. Later on I would realize there are better reasons to be an Atheist than that, at least.)

If the environment supports and encourages the adoption of religion (and praising it to no end) it is highly likely children raised there will be religious. If the environment is more relaxed like the one I was raised where there is room for skepticism, then you get "Atheistic heathens" such as myself.

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One, the website you used was from a lobbying organization. Next time you site something please use a more reliable source.

Two, I'd like to see the statistics backing up this claim (preferably from a government website. Even better if it clearly shows a direct correlation.)

2 points

Clearly you are the epitome of wisdom and humility.

When I refer to god I mean "(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being."

(http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/egomaniac)

Once again, stop acting cocky and actually prove your point. You are an egomaniac that assumes they don't have to prove anything because it is so obvious. It is not.

Any theist with a bit of sense realizes that this is a complicated issue, and therefore it needs to be discussed further. Please join them.

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Maybe instead of acting so cocky you could actually try to use logic?

Atheists don't believe in god because there is a clear lack of proof, so they are not going to just assume that one exists.

(Personal anecdotes are incredibly weak evidence because it is dependent of the individual and there are people all around the world that have claimed to see a number of different gods/goddesses.)

Next time actually try to reach out to them, understand their reasoning and try to find a logical way to convince them. Then and only then will they actually care about the stuff you're spewing out of your mouth.

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Gender: Female
Age: 23
Marital Status: Single
Political Party: Other
Country: United States
Religion: Atheist
Education: High School

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