>An interest in pornography is healthy, natural, and far less likely to warp the mind than years of sexual repression.

Many argue pornography as neutral not causing damage but you go for "healthy""natural" - that would make a intresting debate! Pornography is the steam from water on fire, and fuel comes from many sources. Just because child molestation and rape cannot always be directly linked to pornography its still part of the same process.

>What is the concernancy of this?

Out of context none!

>Just as they can get opinionated and deceptive parents?

True.So why stop at state and institution?

>This strikes me as a thinly veiled assault on evolutionary theory in biology textbooks.

You got me - good thing its a matter of personal opinion and im not debating for its removal from schools.

>Does this guidance include the religious cultivation of facial hair and aversion to all forms of shellfish, as well as adherence to >a notional God? That's not guidance, madam, it is delusion.

no the delusion is that im a madam. Yes it does if it guides our youth towards a moral society, i dont see the concernancy of your statement unless all religion and its fruits are destructive as a whole.

>Atheistic mentality is that the state and its institutions should be free of religion. What you choose to believe is your own concern, but this being a debating site, I ask that you do not be surprised when we argue against it.

Not suprised at all infact i welcome it, Christian mentality is that the world should not be free of religion not only my concern but that of many, many of whom have children in schools.

>You would prefer them to be in a violent, religious one?

No but i dont believe no religion = no violence , I dont expect peace and safety and freedom for my children when religion is removed.

>Disguising religion as law in state schools incontrovertibly violates the first amendment.

my point was that without the commandments referring to god the ten commandment would be useless as their source would be denied and would make the commandment just another code of conduct. Law from whom i never implied that we should disguise religion as law.

>What is wrong with that?

a matter or perspective

>That's a peculiar blend of quasi-antisemitism and fanciful delusion.

No anti-semitism intended - my point is that removing something that is not fully understood does guarantee something good.

If they do not incite violence and promote virtue to its adherents then yes we should post koranic verses in schools. I am not debating for the oppression of non believers but for the availability of religious material in our society where they could change the course of a otherwise destructive path.

In the past yes - today though atheist describes someone with no belief in any god as per my usage and understanding of the word.

For not believing in God? No!

As a Christian how can i call my brother an idiot and still believe i can aproach God with my head held high?

If the majority of people in the world believe in god or gods then im afraid it is a delusion not too believe not the other way around. You say no one can give you an argument that proves god exists well i say give me one that proves he does not.You can neither prove god is there nor prove he is not. What i can show you is that many people are moved to do extrodinary things in the name of god ie. the diciples gave there lives to be tortured and killed because they believed Jesus died and was ressurected.were they deluded?

People have various reasons for believing in a god or gods but not all things are as simple as to be proven by touch and sight.

Logical deductions and reasoning are insignificant in comparrison to wealth of possibilities in the universe. It is like putting together a puzzle if you do not have the full picture so the first thing we do is test the pieces and guess their places this might work wonders for a 200 piece puzzle if you lucky for a 500 piece now image a 1000 piece can you imagine a million or a billion pieces.god is not a 1 piece puzzle that either exist or doesn't. We are deluded if we think we can know God exists!

If my kids can freely get porngraphic material, weapons, opionionated and deceptive teachers and pupils and textbooks not just in schools but brough into their homes and places they spend their time growing up then i say yes mix religion and growing up they need guidance wherever possible. It might be too late for war on aids with contraceptive/std propaganda but we might still be able to save their souls!

There are many Atheists if not all who want the world to themselves free from all religious dogma and they must beware because one day they might get what they want peace without religion.I hope my children are not in that world, even with all the fundametalists and their flaws and attrocities there is still hope for the broken the lost and the dead!

Take away the first couple of commandments relating to religion and rename it "Our code of coduct" and see how strongly it is followed without the personal conviction of a personal saviour. Take God out of the world and you are just left with the world, How many people didnt get a chance to be healed because the jews were removing Jesus's religious dogma?

This argument is childish - It's like my dad is better then your dad! Whatever a person does in life is based on perception and there is no evidence of true selflessness. No matter how much an atheist or a Christian puffs themselves up by doing "good deeds" it is all vanity.Even someone jumping in front of a moving car to save a child could have hidden selfish motives, his own desire to be good is a selfish one by nature.

Opera does a lot of good in the world for the less fortunate but is she doing it for no reason? Of course not! she has millions of viewers to please a whole image to protect. Is she Atheist Yes, if the term : "Atheist" is used to describe someone "Without god" as it was in ancient times where an atheist was just someone who didn't believe in the same god as you - in my case "Jesus being the only way". But yet she has called herself a Christian once upon a time.

Most people want to argue presence of morals based on good deeds but based on the meaning of the word "moral" it has nothing to do with good deeds but more to do with rules and behavior we are subjected to which are all relative and can be different for various groups of people. Christians live by a different standard to atheists - Therefore an atheist is more moral then a Christian when compared to other atheists and so also a Christian is more moral then an atheist when compared to other Christians they have different governing principles!

Don't tell me an Atheist does good for no reason that is your perception not truth. And just because some churches take advantage of others and stray from the true message presented in the Bible doesn't mean they are amoral in everyones eyes.

This question is like tekken for religion - Where atheist is on one side and Christian on the other with their weapons being morals and everyone expecting to hear "Atheist wins". It will never happen because they are not in the same tournament!