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vegan(77) Clarified
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"Results

Empathy assessment

The Empathy quotient (EQ) score was significantly different between groups (p = 0.002). At post-hoc analysis, the EQ score was significantly higher in vegetarians in comparison with omnivore subjects (mean EQ score = 49.5, SD = 8.9 in vegetarians vs. 38.8, SD = 8.1 in omnivore; p = 0.001), and in vegans (mean EQ score = 44.6, SD = 9.8) in comparison with omnivore subjects (p = 0.04) (Figure 1). The difference between vegans and vegetarians was not statistically significant."

There is scientific evidence to support vegetarians and vegans are more emphatic than omnivores.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0010847

1 point

For society to advance we must treat animals with compassion. There are many vegan alternatives. Short list of substitutions.

Soy Milk > cow's milk

Banana or applesauce > chicken's egg

1 point

"There is nothing immoral or even amoral about consuming dairy cow milk." slapshot

So, its moral to endorse a business that enslaves other sentient beings for profit? The conflict of interest alone between animal welfare and profit makes it immoral. Take into account many cows are factory farmed, and the only conclusion that can be made is that drinking cow's milk is usually immoral.

1 point

How about soy milk?

As for being available in third world countries, what proof do you have of that? 1940-50 is not the same as 2016. Oats have adequate protein and would have been a cheap substitute for milk in the 1940-50s. Humans only need 10% protein from calories.

"Adults in the U.S. are encouraged to get 10% to 35% of their day's calories from protein foods. That's about 46 grams of protein for women, and 56 grams of protein for men."

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/breakfast-cereals/1597/2

http://www.webmd.com/diet/healthy-kitchen-11/how-much-protein

1 point

Thinking morals are subjective in the way you present means person A could think crime x was moral and person B immoral. Even if crime x was an atrocity. That would result in an ineffective society.

As for an objective moral authority, I don't think one is needed for objective morals. Humans by their very nature are bias, yet we can perform very objective tasks like mathematics. Therefore, any ordinary human can be a source of objective morality.

I have to admit you made me think sceathers.

1 point

Thank you for providing a complete and thorough rebuttal of my argument. Your pearls of wisdom will forever shine.

0 points

Drinking cow's milk is usually immoral.

Exceptions, people with rare medical conditions, and extraordinary circumstances. For example, stranded on a desert island and/or about to go into a diabetic coma.

Outline

I. Intro

II. Animal ethics

III. Health

IV. Environment

V. Conclusion

VI. Sources

I. Intro

We shouldn't drink bovine milk because it encourages the slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of cows. Not only that, but slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of one animal paves the way for this same treatment towards other animals. Cows milk is unhealthy nor environmentally sustainable.

II. Animal ethics

"A factory farm is a large, industrial operation that raises large numbers of animals for food. Over 99% of farm animals in the U.S. are raised in factory farms, which focus on profit and efficiency at the expense of animal welfare." [0]

Animals on so called "humane" farms don't fare much better. [1][2]

"Even under the best circumstances, the incentive to treat animals “humanely” is limited to the extent to which it is necessary to raise them to market weight (which is just a fraction of their natural lifespan). Any humane practice beyond this would be seen as inefficient and unsustainable by today’s business standards." [3]

Between the inherit conflict of interest between animal welfare and profit. and the brutal realities there is no moral justification for humans drinking bovine milk.

III. Health

Milk causes osteoporosis and increases chances of hip fractures. Contains, IGF-1, cholesterol, casein, lactose, high in fat, high in saturated fat, and high in dead bacteria endotoxins.

"These results support the hypothesis that dairy products and calcium are associated with a greater risk of prostate cancer. " [4]

" Studies have shown that IGFs are potent mitogens for a variety of cancer cells including prostate cancer since they stimulate cancer cell growth and suppress programmed cell death. " [5]

"Naturally occurring milk IGF-1 levels were recorded in 5777 random milk samples from the Bavarian dairy cow population." [6]

As you can see from above, milk increases cancer risk. IGF-1 is found in cow's milk and is associated with increased cancer risk.

"These findings suggest that even small intakes of foods of animal origin are associated with significant increases in plasma cholesterol concentrations, which are associated, in turn, with significant increases in chronic degenerative disease mortality rates." [7]

Casein is a protein that can cause an immune system response which can lead to type I diabetes.

“Total protein consumption did not correlate with diabetes incidence (r = +0.402), but consumption of the beta-casein A1 variant did (r = +0.726). Even more pronounced was the relation between beta-casein (A1+B) consumption and diabetes (r = +0.982). These latter two cow caseins yield a bioactive peptide beta-casomorphin-7 after in vitro digestion with intestinal enzymes whereas the common A2 variant or the corresponding human or goat caseins do not. beta-casomorphin-7 has opioid properties including immunosuppression, which could account for the specificity of the relation between the consumption of some but not all beta-casein variants and diabetes incidence. “ [8]

“"

Women who drank three glasses of milk or more every day had a nearly doubled risk of death and cardiovascular disease, and a 44 percent increased risk of cancer compared to women who drank less than one glass per day, the researchers found.

Men's overall risk of death increased about 10 percent when they drank three or more glasses of milk daily, said the study, published online Oct. 28 in BMJ."” [9]

“The risk of any bone fracture increased 16 percent in women who drank three or more glasses daily, and the risk of a broken hip increased 60 percent, the findings indicated. “ [10]

Fat is not only the densest of the three macro nutrients at 9 calories per gram as opposed to 4 for carbohydrates and proteins. This can lead to obesity and intramyocellular lipid build up.

Saturated fat increases blood viscosity which makes the heart work harder. Lactose is a sugar that many people are intolerant towards.

IV. Environment

Inherently due to trophic levels milk must be worse for the environment. From the American Journal of Clinical nutrition we can see that lupine, a vegan alternative, is better for the environment than cow's milk. [11]

V. Conclusion

In conclusion, there is only one ethical choice, and that is to stop drinking bovine milk. Thanks for the debate.

VI. Sources

0. http://www.aspca.org/animal-cruelty/farm-animal-welfare

1. http://humanefacts.org/

2. http://humanemyth.org/happycows.htm

3. http://freefromharm.org/common-justifications-for-eating-animals/six-challenges-to-humane-animal-product- claims/

4. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/74/4/549.abstract

5. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11550779

6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10435273

7. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/59/5/1153S.short

8. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10096780.

9. http://www.webmd.com/osteoporosis/news/20141029/is-milk-your-friend-or-foe

10. http://www.webmd.com/osteoporosis/news/20141029/is-milk-your-friend-or-foe?page=2

11. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/664S.full

1 point

No, there is all sorts of bad stuff and none of the good. We can get the nutrients in milk from other sources.

1 point

No way!

Drinking cow's milk is usually immoral.

Exceptions, people with rare medical conditions, and extraordinary circumstances. For example, stranded on a desert island and/or about to go into a diabetic coma.

Burden of proof will be on me to prove that drinking cow's milk is usually immoral.

Outline

I. Intro

II. Animal ethics

III. Health

IV. Environment

V. Conclusion

VI. Sources

I. Intro

We shouldn't drink bovine milk because it encourages the slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of cows. Not only that, but slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of one animal paves the way for this same treatment towards other animals. Cows milk is unhealthy nor environmentally sustainable.

II. Animal ethics

"A factory farm is a large, industrial operation that raises large numbers of animals for food. Over 99% of farm animals in the U.S. are raised in factory farms, which focus on profit and efficiency at the expense of animal welfare." [0]

Animals on so called "humane" farms don't fare much better. [1][2]

"Even under the best circumstances, the incentive to treat animals “humanely” is limited to the extent to which it is necessary to raise them to market weight (which is just a fraction of their natural lifespan). Any humane practice beyond this would be seen as inefficient and unsustainable by today’s business standards." [3]

Between the inherit conflict of interest between animal welfare and profit. and the brutal realities there is no moral justification for humans drinking bovine milk.

III. Health

Milk causes osteoporosis and increases chances of hip fractures. Contains, IGF-1, cholesterol, casein, lactose, high in fat, high in saturated fat, and high in dead bacteria endotoxins.

"These results support the hypothesis that dairy products and calcium are associated with a greater risk of prostate cancer. " [4]

" Studies have shown that IGFs are potent mitogens for a variety of cancer cells including prostate cancer since they stimulate cancer cell growth and suppress programmed cell death. " [5]

"Naturally occurring milk IGF-1 levels were recorded in 5777 random milk samples from the Bavarian dairy cow population." [6]

As you can see from above, milk increases cancer risk. IGF-1 is found in cow's milk and is associated with increased cancer risk.

"These findings suggest that even small intakes of foods of animal origin are associated with significant increases in plasma cholesterol concentrations, which are associated, in turn, with significant increases in chronic degenerative disease mortality rates." [7]

Casein is a protein that can cause an immune system response which can lead to type I diabetes.

“Total protein consumption did not correlate with diabetes incidence (r = +0.402), but consumption of the beta-casein A1 variant did (r = +0.726). Even more pronounced was the relation between beta-casein (A1+B) consumption and diabetes (r = +0.982). These latter two cow caseins yield a bioactive peptide beta-casomorphin-7 after in vitro digestion with intestinal enzymes whereas the common A2 variant or the corresponding human or goat caseins do not. beta-casomorphin-7 has opioid properties including immunosuppression, which could account for the specificity of the relation between the consumption of some but not all beta-casein variants and diabetes incidence. “ [8]

“"

Women who drank three glasses of milk or more every day had a nearly doubled risk of death and cardiovascular disease, and a 44 percent increased risk of cancer compared to women who drank less than one glass per day, the researchers found.

Men's overall risk of death increased about 10 percent when they drank three or more glasses of milk daily, said the study, published online Oct. 28 in BMJ."” [9]

“The risk of any bone fracture increased 16 percent in women who drank three or more glasses daily, and the risk of a broken hip increased 60 percent, the findings indicated. “ [10]

Fat is not only the densest of the three macro nutrients at 9 calories per gram as opposed to 4 for carbohydrates and proteins. This can lead to obesity and intramyocellular lipid build up.

Saturated fat increases blood viscosity which makes the heart work harder. Lactose is a sugar that many people are intolerant towards.

IV. Environment

Inherently due to trophic levels milk must be worse for the environment. From the American Journal of Clinical nutrition we can see that lupine, a vegan alternative, is better for the environment than cow's milk. [11]

V. Conclusion

In conclusion, there is only one ethical choice, and that is to stop drinking bovine milk. Thanks for the debate.

VI. Sources

0. http://www.aspca.org/animal-cruelty/farm-animal-welfare

1. http://humanefacts.org/

2. http://humanemyth.org/happycows.htm

3. http://freefromharm.org/common-justifications-for-eating-animals/six-challenges-to-humane-animal-product- claims/

4. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/74/4/549.abstract

5. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11550779

6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10435273

7. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/59/5/1153S.short

8. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10096780.

9. http://www.webmd.com/osteoporosis/news/20141029/is-milk-your-friend-or-foe

10. http://www.webmd.com/osteoporosis/news/20141029/is-milk-your-friend-or-foe?page=2

11. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/664S.full

1 point

"Animals are not connected in this way and don't have the seem ability to discriminate between right and wrong." Shaash

Agreed, animals do not seem capable of following human morals and ethics.

" If we don't test it on animals, we will have to test it on humans. And if we test it on humans, someone may die. "

True, but why not test on willing volunteers, criminals, the elderly, the mentally handicapped? Also, some tests are on animals are performed to test cosmetic products and other luxuries. Not only that but some of these tests could be performed without animals nor humans.

"Victoria’s Secret was once on PETA’s list of companies that proudly did not test on animals, but it seems the company has reneged on its promise. Companies in China pay for cruel testing tactics, such as dripping harsh chemicals onto the eyes and skin of animals to see how they react. Despite the fact that scientific breakthroughs have led to other alternatives to testing on animals, Chinese officials still refuse to incorporate these studies into their requirements." forcechange

"A human life is worth more to me than an animal life because I am a human."

So based solely on that animals are a different species than you, humans are supreme?

"These animals have less attachment and do not grieve for one another after death."

Some animals grieve for a dead relative. Elephants for example.

"However, research and observation has proven that elephants are indeed capable of many complex functions of thought and feeling. There have been many observations of elephants grieving. In Joyce Poole's Coming of Age with Elephants, a situation is described where a mother elephant is seen grieving over her stillborn baby for a few days. This mother physical stature was observed as slumped, appeared to be crying, while trying to revive her baby. " elephant

"Their lives are less meaningful than a human's." Shaash

How so?

Cosmetic testing

Elephant grieving

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