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LOL!

But it's not up to you! It's a good thing too or most of us would be in the goulag.

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If you did it that would be true. You should be nowhere near a firearm, for everyone's safety.

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All true. If a person is suicidal, a gun increases their chances of follow through. The vast majority of people are not suicidal, in which case a gun has no impact on suicidality. The presence of a father decreases the likelihood that such emotional disturbances will arise.

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Lol you compare firearms safety education to sprinkling anthrax on cereal. That's obviously an expression of phobia.

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What affect does the presence of a gun have on someone's conscientious decision to kill themselves?

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No, I maintain that the world is not ending. The sky is not falling. It's your consumption of nothing outside your echo chamber propaganda that makes you feel this is climate change denial.

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Who even referred to you? Whoever you are. .

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The likelihood of the event absolutely has to do with how many people have an event occur vs how many do not. Suicide is highly unlikely. For people who do not suffer suicidal ideation, the likelihood is zero, even if there's a gun in the home.

Your hoplophobia causes you to put a high degree of agency in inanimate objects.

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The technical term for your condition is hoplophobia. You have an irrational fear of weapons.

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These bigots are gun-phobic. .

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"When did you stop hitting your wife" is an example of plurium interrogationum, or complex question. "The presupposition is a proposition that is presumed to be acceptable to the respondent when the question is asked."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_question

Your example is literally included as an example on the source page.

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The numbers aren't hard to search. Poverty doesn't paint a very strong argument for you because the numbers are close, even where women are higher than men. But I'm talking about being destitute, not poor.

"In 2020, about 69.6 percent of the estimated number of homeless individuals in the United States were male."

https://www.statista.com/statistics/962171/share-homeless-people-us-gender/

To pretend humans aren't the result of natural and sexual selection is anti-science. Humans are estimated to have existed for 6 million years. Civilization and agriculture has only been around for 10 thousand years.

The differences between men and women are small (though important) on average. But females tend to cluster more around the average than males, making the bell curve taller in the middle for women and longer at the tails for men. That explanation may be confusing unless you're familiar with the Greater Male Variation Hypothesis, which you can look up if you're curious.

As for your perception of media, that's merely a statement of your perception.

Amarel(5669) Clarified
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God damnit that's not an example of a straw man. How does everyone here get fallacies wrong so often?

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I'm not sure you're getting this. Biology determines the gender.

I'm sure you weren't listening in sex ed. Sperm determines gender. It comes from the father. Whether a person is a boy or a girl depends on the father.

You're too fuckin stupid to continue this back and forth waste of my time.

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Golly, 10 thousand sure does seem like a high likelihood kind of number... until you consider that's out of 168 million women. Lucky for me and my daughter I understand what unlikely looks like.

Men are unlikely to commit suicide too by the way. And if you have a gun in your home, it doesn't induce suicidal ideation. A gun should be a problem for you, because you should definitely have suicidal ideation. It's not for me or my daughter.

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Yeah, biology. The father determines the gender. And females are very unlikely to commit suicide by any means, including the gun I give her.

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Yeah, 30% of the country personally use a firearm. This is Pew data (pew pew haha). You're immune to facts.

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Suicides are immaculate conceptions?

Wtf ?

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More than 77 million Americans use guns. .

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. . .

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Well, suicides are twice as likely to be fatherless. And since I had her assigned a girl at birth, she is 7 times less likely to commit suicide. So my presence more than offsets the correlation of a presence of a gun with suicide.

Plus, chances of suicide are only about. .14% for everyone, let alone women who are far less. Tripling a miniscule number is still a miniscule number.

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People can be of the same stripe and fight each other. Often they fight each other more than they fight those who are further from their disposition.

Bloods and Crips. Hells Angels and Outlaws. Iran and Iraq. Nazis and Commies. All are much the same as their bitter enemy.

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If someone says things that resembles Nazi rhetoric, then that's what it is independent of who filled the ranks of the Hitler's army.

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If you're evidence says that guns are worse while drugs are no better, then your evidence is contradictory.

Sure the top two causes of death are guns and drugs. But drugs account for almost twice as many deaths while guns kill just slightly more people than gravity. Some years, falls kill more than guns. All according to the CDC.

Amarel(5669) Clarified
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The chief purpose of a firearm is to kill. No doubt. That alone isn't an argument one way or the other

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What do you recommend? Mandatory ownership? Maybe a program to help poor people purchase one?

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You're not the one who claimed you shit the guy who got in your face while you were in a wheelchair, are you?

The home invasion would be a burglary, not a robbery

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My presence in her life will more that counteract the presence of a gun. Which, by the way is mere correlation. You may find a person is 5 times more likely to commit suicide if they use vinegar as a cleaner in their home. Mere correlation.

I can be dangerous on occasion. I took up skydiving this year.

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Your 300% is a fake statistic. It's actually higher. .

Amarel(5669) Clarified
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You forgot their overzealous educators bringing sexual deviance into the classroom

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Yeah, I just wanted to take something innocuous from all of that and pretend it's outrageous

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Most combat is all done for now. .

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Webster isn't exactly a political publication. I guess unless you're a liberal. Liberals like to make up new, ridiculous definitions for things. Hey, what is a woman?

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Because of the socially constructed nature of race, a person can board a plane in the US as a black person, and exit the plane in Brazil as a white person. They have a different notion of race there. A black person can be white.

It's hilarious that you think a man can be a woman but a black man can't be white. Race is for more socially constructed than gender expression. Pigment is far less consequential than sex organs and the resulting physical affects of them.

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Are you fucking serious!? Red dot? !

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A 300 percent increase of a miniscule number is still a miniscule number

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Sure there is a relationship. Drugs have a huge black market, which always comes with violence. If you look at the CDC data, you'll see that drug poisoning kills twice the people guns do. You'll also see that states with the highest gun deaths do not neatly overlap with states having the highest drug deaths.

https://wisqars.cdc.gov/data/explore-data/home

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Children should be given matches and guns and showed how to use them. Children are allowed to hunt alone in all 50 states.

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You're talking about whores and matches, but you think I'm off topic?

Make a list of the things you have sufficient difficulty with.

(This will keep him off my back for days)

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When my daughter is old enough, while still a child, I will certainly cause her to use a gun.

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It's good that we recognized the problem with drugs. We banned them. No more conversation needed, right? Moving on to lesser problems...

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There's no basis for the claim that illegal gun use is greater than illegal drug use. Perhaps gun use in general is greater than illegal drug use, but legal gun use isn't the issue.

I don't think the father of the dead college kid is reassured by the notion that their kid's death was peaceful.

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You think we can ban guns but not tobacco? Haha ok. .

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I asked for an age, not a stage.

Oh I see, you can't be a supreme person because you weren't even allowed to handle matches until you were legal to vote.

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We aren't trying to compare like with like. I am demonstrating that all the talk about guns is under the pretext of minimizing or reducing impact. If that wasn't a false pretense, we would hear more about those things that have a greater impact, as drugs do by a long shot.

Amarel(5669) Clarified
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Lol all this attention because I said racial supremacists are the least supreme examples of their race, and you (for some reason) took it personally.

Norwich thought I was limping him with racial supremacists for no other reason than he is the least supreme kind of person.

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Below what age is a person a child. ?

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I played with matches quite a bit too. .

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Of all the people killed in 2020, 33% we're from drugs. 16.2% we're from guns. 33% is a higher death rate than 16.2%. Since the measured population is people killed, that's twice as many people.

The vast majority of gun owners are never even shot. There are more gun owners than drug users. Drugs kill at a higher rate than guns.

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Gun ownership is not against the law. Gun owners aren't criminals. Your gun ban is not in effect. It never will be.

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You know Egypt is in Africa, right? .

Amarel(5669) Clarified
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An uncommon level of self awareness by you. Good to see. .

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Asian countries have long been primitive backwaters except for where they adopted healthy economic institutions, or stole from those who had healthy economic institutions. Their backwater position had nothing to do with their race. That's why they thrive in the west under healthy institutions.

You're looking at the outcome and presuming a racial cause. That's because skin tone is all you have in common with the high quality white people you champion.

Amarel(5669) Clarified
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Back on your firstly. I have the data for the US. You cannot reasonably move to world statistics as a counter unless you have the data.

I'm using the CDC, what are you using?

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That proposed criminalization is holding law abiding citizens responsible for the actions of law breakers. When I pointed that out, you said they wouldn't be law abiding citizens. That's a circular argument justifying the proposed law. Those people ARE law abiding citizens. You can't point to future criminalization as a defense for the proposed law.

This is very obvious. Get off this fallacy so we can proceed.

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This is another lamentably false statement. 32 million people regularly use drugs in the United States and there were 100,000 OD deaths last year. Your apparent belief that 32 million people intentionally shot someone with the intent of killing them last year is preposterous and stupid. There are a lot more people taking drugs than shooting people with guns and this should be perfectly obvious to anybody with even half a functional brain cell.

If drugs are more lethal than guns, which seems to be -- bizarrely -- what you are implying, then why is the military armed with guns and not drugs?

You are equating lethal shooters with non lethal drug users. That's fallacious. You should be equating drug users with gun users (owners) to make a comparison. Many more people own guns than use lethal drugs. The vast vast majority of gun owners are perfectly safe, even while actively shooting their guns.

Drugs kill twice as many people as guns do. The military doesn't employ drugs because drugs accidentally kill the user at an astronomical rate. Far more than what guns kill on purpose.

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Firstly, You're not suggesting a world wide ban on guns are you? That's gonna take a little more conquering. Yes I am talking about the issues as they relate to America, and what might be done. There is literally nothing to be done about global gun and drug deaths.

Secondly, if something people do for fun kills them at twice the rate of tools meant to kill, that makes my case even greater. We talk about guns because of politics, not because of impact. Which leads to the thirdly.

Thirdly, this is not tu quoque (you're terrible at identifying logical fallacies haha). It is about what we discuss and why. It's driven by political narrative, not impact.

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Did you ever consider it might be because drug users take drugs of their own free will, whereas gunshot victims don't usually volunteer to get sprayed with bullets?

Lol you're incorrect. The majority of gun deaths are from suicide. Even including suicide, drug deaths are double gun deaths. And including suicide is what disingenuous talking heads always do when discussing gun violence.

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"Who the fuck is this Amarel suggesting informative literature on economics? Downvote this ass!"

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Yeah. He probably has carcasses in a woodshop or something.

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You're future criminalizing law abiding citizens as cause for creating the law that would criminalize them. That's circular reasoning and it's not what I did.

I wasn't even discussing gun bans when I suggested that penalizing criminals and not law abiding citizens is complex in this context. That post was in keeping with your statement that individuals should be held accountable for their own actions, not those of others. You abandoned that notion as soon as it failed to meet your wants.

Of course 2A can be amended, through the amendment process. There is 0 political will for such. The result is that a gun ban is illegal and will remain so for the foreseeable future. That's logically linear and factual.

Amarel(5669) Clarified
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Lol. My prediction is that I will absolutely rub your nose in this post.

My other prediction is that, post election, the left will distance from Biden as a 2024 candidate. Biden will assist in this effort

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The economic power of America and Europe derives from it's institutions. This is not a racial issue. "Why Nations Fail" lays it out nicely.

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That looks like it took some time, did you do it yourself, or did you get your retarded cousin to type it up because he has more superior pigmentation?

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No I ate them. Wtf? .

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You can't use flawed laws as a defence against propositions to change those laws because that's circular reasoning.

That's not what I did, but if I had it wouldn't be an example of circular reasoning. I was referring to getting guns out of the hands of criminals while leaving innocent people alone. Declaring those people future criminals to justify the law that will criminalize them actually is circular reasoning.

A gun ban is illegal. It's against the supreme law of the land. Banning guns is therefore already criminal.

You can't characterize good laws as flawed to justify flawed laws. It's not circular reasoning, but it is relying on a false premise.

You said individuals should be held responsible for their actions. Now you're suggesting criminalizing individuals who have done nothing wrong. Your internal contradictions need to be addressed.

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I worded the title after a separate debate by the same name was closed.

We do need to hold individuals responsible, individually. That's why it's a complex matter to get the guns out of the hands of shooters without taking them from law abiding gun owners.

As a child, I used a gun often.

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Is it a crime to cause children to use a gun ?

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I provided a definition from a reputable source. You provided your opinion about a word. An opinion that doesn't matter.

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Oh I understand con. I've been a cop for 7 years. This raid was conducted in APRIL. It's October. They didn't find anything prosecutable. It happens. But very quickly, he and his story vanish. Now it's suspect.

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Um, obviously. .

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I referenced a definition provided by a reputable source. Your opinion is that the definition is wrong. ScienceRules seems to agree. But that's an opinion that doesn't matter.

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The article says this journalist was not charged with a crime. But he is gone now, as is his unpublished story.

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A person who ascribes superiority to a race generally does so because they lack any level of personal superiority. It's never those who are truly superior in some aspect who claim it has anything to do with their pigment. They know it's a product of ability and environment.

In short, racial supremacists are always the least supreme examples of their race.

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Nahhh... Racism is what you DO, not how you think. In my view, it IS possible to BE a rabid racist, and never DO anything about it.

Well, that's an opinion that doesn't matter.

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Racism: a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

https://www.google.com/search?q=define+racism&oq=define+racism+&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0i512l8.3950j1j7&client=ms-android-uscellular-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

When you say that a black person cannot be what a white person can be, it is a racist statement. By definition. A black person can be anything a white person can be, including a racist. Ask a Black Hebrew Nationalist.

It is monumental irony that the largest group of racists in American society today are those who purport to be anti-racist. Racism such as that presented in your posts needs to stop

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Dude, you are not nearly curious enough. There's a lot more to the world than what you are spoon fed. That's all you regurgitate anyway, why not change up the diet?

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When you see a compelling story from a source you don't trust, you should look for the same story from a source you do trust. Get curious. This video is merely commenting on a Rolling Stone article.

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Media cannot affect culture if it's not relevant to the culture it is playing to. Experience shapes biases too, as is the case in your example.

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Your still avoiding responding to everything I said. .

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The creators of the T.V. show or movie deliberately take a scene where there is no prejudice and then have the straw feminist see sexism everywhere.

Those scenes exist because they resonate with the audience.

Amarel(5669) Clarified
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I didn't even try to respond to all your claims in the name of brevity and speed.

Or any claims at all. Very brev.

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We are losing the war on hate and antisemitism.

No we aren't. It feels that way only to people inside a particular echo chamber. The increase in accusations of racial hate and bigotry arose out of the political potency that comes from opposing such things. Opposition to bigotry is politically potent because bigotry is repellant to western culture. But that also means that politically motivated people must find racism and bigotry wear it doesn't actually exist, namely in their political opponents. Then they convince people in their echo chamber that political opponents are the real life monsters of their imagination, thus driving votes. Cynical politics

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They don't count their beginning prior to Abraham. .

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It's a little more like someone watching an inconvenient truth and freaking out about the end of the world, while someone who took a little more time than watching one propaganda piece reassures them that the world is not ending.

It is absurd to claim that military service is high prestige and low risk due to high foreign civilian casualties. In the US, military service in war time is far more dangerous than not serving. That's one reason for the moderate prestige. And military casualties are not limited to the battle field. Check into veteran suicide if you're a curious person.

The "Greater male variability hypothesis" does a better job of explaining why there are more men in leadership. It also explains why there are more men in destitute poverty. While men and women have very similar averages for very many measures, the bell curve is not shaped the same. Women tend to cluster more around the average, making the curve taller in the middle, while men tend to have more individuals falling into the ends of the tails on both ends.

Gender differences are not themselves socially constructed; how those differences are expressed is socially constructed. It's a subtle difference, but it's paramount to understanding the relevant social phenomena we observe. The lack of this understanding is the source of much junk pop science and sociology errors. These errors require willfully ignoring the impact of natural and sexual selection (evolution).

Amarel(5669) Clarified
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What do you consider a child? When I was a kid, I would openly carry a rifle down the road to the public hunting area.

Amarel(5669) Clarified
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Oohh better not quote that verse to the trans activists. .

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The feral child phenomenon is usually the result of terrible abuse and neglect from a very young age. It is the result of a child being isolated from human contact beginning early and lasting for years. Some few situations have involved a child in the wild. Often they never acquire the ability to speak. On some occasions speech is developed but highly limited.

There has been speculation about the impact of mask mandates on very young children. The concern regards early childhood development of emotional recognition and language development when half of everyone's face is consistently covered. My daughter was born in late 2019. I was sure to never wear a mask at home while interacting with her. By the time she went to daycare, the caretakers mostly did not wear masks. She speaks very well for her age. If there is a broad negative impact on early childhood development, my daughter has avoided it.

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Males and females are not arbitrarily assigned their sex at birth. It is determined through observation of physical, biological reality. Trans men are not actually men, that's why you have to put "trans" at the beginning so everyone knows you're referring to a female who prefers male pronouns.

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If a given white person is a victim of racial discrimination, then that's what it is. The low likelihood of this happening does not eliminate the instances in which it happens.

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I'm not sure that the children of dead soldiers would be comforted by the notion that only 10% of war casualties are military so most folks aren't like their dead dad. We don't have an active draft, meaning we aren't picking a class to send. Troops volunteer. Those volunteers are overwhelmingly male. If there was a draft, women are excluded.

How you perceive (or believe others perceive) female masculinity or femininity does not create a double bind for them. You seem to be grasping at straws in the face of multiple inequities that I presented.

Claiming that you see no double standard is only indicative of your own double standard. If all of the inequities I mentioned worked against women instead of men, you would see them as proof of an overwhelming misogynistic patriarchal culture.

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That's not a counter argument so much as a statement of disagreement.

A rise in hate crime from miniscule to less miniscule does not indicate any level of broader cultural acceptance. Nor does the existence of an obscure fringe internet haven for racists. In fact, the existence of hate crimes as a designated category of crime demonstrates the cultural, and subsequent institutional rejection of racism as something worthy of special legal punishment.

On occasion, famous people are caught on a hot mic saying something racist; their career is over. It used to just be the way people talked Politicians are constantly trying to construe the position of their opponents as racist because it is detrimental to winning elections. Racism used to be a common political approach.

Racist is the most toxic accusation one can hurl. It's toxic because it is culturally rejected.

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It's the article you linked to as your example. .

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This house is on fire! Get out before it's too late! (In other words, do what I say or I'll kill you)...mhm

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It's often the case that the facts are irrelevant to his statements. Pertaining to this discussion, it doesn't matter if Israel is actually fine without American Jews, it matters that Trump thinks American Jews need to get on board for the sake of Israel. You taking his statement as an antisemitic threat is absurd, and likely insincere.

Amarel(5669) Clarified
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That's not an example of antisemitism. He is claiming to be super pro-Israel, and that the result is super supportive American evangelicals and Israel Jews. He is saying that American Jews need to get on board before it is too late for Israel.

Attacking a particular group for a perceived policy position is not the same as attacking a particular group BECAUSE they are that group.

Did you read the article? It's not very long. There's always a reason when the headline fails to fit the body of an article. Also, the article fails to link to, or show, the full text of the original post. There's a reason for that too


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