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How does it not? It eliminates the conflict of interest that is between the capitalist and employee, or government and employee. They already exist and in fact work better than typical capitalist businesses on average. Here's an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation

If you're going to make a claim, at least try to verbally defend it, particularly on website designed for debating.

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Very well said. I especially liked your point about how if we are in fact forced into capitalism at birth, then it is not an instrument of freedom. I find it very disturbing that this capitalist fellow thinks of life in such a narrow path of attaining money="winning". I suppose in a way you can't blame him. It is the world that has been setup around him and it is marketed as the pinnacle of existence under capitalism. He's just being a good dog. He probably was already in a position to succeed from the start, so he is probably ignorant to the systematic choke hold that people in poverty deal with. Of course, he thinks his success came entirely from his abilities/effort anyway though and that he is the "alpha dog" and he gets high as a kite from that idea. It targets a very primal part of the human mind. I find it unfortunate that humans have not been elevated past this primal function that is based in ego. All the money and possessions that he values so much won't mean a damn thing when he's dead tho. I never understood the fundamental "chase" of possessions. Are the rules "The person with the most stuff when they die wins"? Seems pretty fucking stupid to me.

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You obviously don't know what socialism actually is. You're reciting the american definition which is twisted by propaganda. Socialism is not the government controlling the means of production. It's THE WORKERS controlling the means of production democratically.

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Of course it does. That is the basis of propaganda. ///////////

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When people are forsaken for profits, it's not a mystery why capitalism is unappealing. For example, The healthcare industry is inefficient and costly. People die just because they can't afford medicine or surgery when if we switched to a universal healthcare system, we would save money and raise life expectancy. Then when you think about the people that live paycheck to paycheck with little to no leisure spending, they're basically slaves. A good summary of slavery is "A portion of the population produces a surplus for a separate portion which they don't have control over". That is effectively what is happening in capitalism. Private prisons are a good example of the wrongness of capitalism. Prisons make money by having more prisoners which leads to exactly what the US is today. More prisoners per capita than any nation in history. They have to send a minimum amount of people to jail each year which means that people who don't deserve to go to jail, do anyway because it makes money. Another simple example is dirty energy. People will poison the planet, which will kill us all if we don't change it, for the sake of short term profit which obviously is incentiveized by capitalism. You leave the choice of poisioning the planet up to average everyday people, they won't do it unlike dirty capitalists. Then the fact that WAR is good for capitalism which is why the US is constantly at war. War can make a shit ton of money. We will literally go kill other people who are foreign to us for the sake of money. Civilians too not just "Militiants" or whatever the bullshit US is calling them

A lot of this really isn't a mystery. Capitalism works for a small portion of people. Propaganda has led people to believe otherwise. It fundamentally doesn't change the dynamic of the Lord and the serfs as seen in Fuedalism. Now you have the capitalist and the proletariat. In summary capitalism is fundamentally un-democratic and goes against actual freedom.

Socialism, as it is actually defined,(not the typical american definition of socialism) would fix a lot of the issues that capitalism has. When the workers actually control the means of production and democratically vote on how to run the business they work for, many of these issues will go away because people are not gonna vote against their interests, unlike how it works in capitalism where the executives do whatever makes them the most money and says "fuck you" to those that are negatively affected by their business decisions.

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Okay where's your reliable unbiased proof? All you're doing is saying "Well if the news said it, it must be true." If I was your son, I'd be disappointed that my parent is so mindless. Also you would not be physically capable of beating my ass.

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Okay 1st you saying that his opinion on a different topic somehow means he's wrong on this one is a logical fallacy. 2nd, You act like you've somehow got the upperhand in this argument even though you're arguing that it was not faked and have provided no evidence at all other than what the news has told you. I provided you with evidence that absolutely raises questions at least. So why don't you look over all these videos again and tell me how you can explain these bits of evidence.

https://youtu.be/sovQno-1Tw0

How do you explain that she saw the shooter not shooting and heard gunshots coming from somewhere where he was not. How do you explain that she saw no one injured? Also how do you explain that she witnessed a mass shooting and is smiling in the same day

https://youtu.be/peTS6KBK7HI

How do you explain why this girl is laughing when describing being present at the shooting?

https://youtu.be/Nn8VUxBuWMY

How do you explain this girl saying she saw a teacher get shot in the arm and head but seems unphased?

https://youtu.be/MMIAc7dJKXo

How do you explain this horrible acting? Her daughter apparently died. She does not seem like a mother whose daughter just died.

https://youtu.be/BG0a04PX-zY

How do you explain this dude apparently crying but having no tears and sounding and looking nothing like a person who is crying?

https://youtu.be/2ih-oJofpEE

How do you explain that people who are discussing it and it's legitimacy are being told they can't discuss it and will possibly face arrest and misdemeanor charges?

This is actually incredible to me. One of the supposed survivors from the shooting was interviewed a lot and got lots of flak from the internet about him being a crisis actor. Here's one of the interviews he did for a news channel: https://youtu.be/3i97DdqgwX4 Here's a video I just found with him that is pretty solid evidence that he is in fact an actor: https://youtu.be/W7mpU9vl0zw?t=76

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You haven't provided a single logical argument the whole time you've been here. And where the hell do you get this that I'm a child hating gun nut? I think we should have more gun control. All you do is make stupid false assumptions.

Brylos(70) Clarified
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I can't tell who you are talking to. Are you talking to me or the other guy?

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I really don't understand why the comments that are just rude and without logic and don't go anywhere beyond insults are upvoted. This is a debate website. You should be ashamed to even post this and whoever upvoted should be ashamed too. There is no logic in your statement and is nothing more than a schoolyard insult.

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Say what? I've noticed all your answers are so short they need to have periods to extend the length. It's almost like you're not actually engaging in debate.

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You're so stupid. I don't care that you reported me. Is it fun being so emotional? I would imagine it's terrible and confusing. Use some logic and not emotions to argue? Wth are you doing on a debate website if you don't want to hear opposing viewpoints? Seriously wtf are you doing here?

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I really don't care. All I've done is discuss a topic and you've gotten butthurt because I'm questioning something you're too afraid to question. All you're doing is appealing to emotions. This is a debate website where you're gonna hear things you don't like to hear. That's the point of debate. Facing opposing ideas to get to the truth.

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I'm not even gonna bother adressing everything you said but 1 thing.

You're saying "Where's your evidence that it was faked?" I just as easily can say "Where's your evidence that it wasn't faked?" You're not proving that it wasn't faked by asking me what my evidence is.

Again I don’t have to prove anything you’re the one making the claim or do you not understand basic logic ?

You're claiming they're not fake and I'm wrong so where is your evidence that they are not faked?

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I edit my posts just for the sake of ease to read.... wtf you think I'm doing mind control? fUCk iT i'lL tyPE LiKe A dUmBASS

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Boohoo all that is is an appeal to emotions not logic. This is a debate website. In debates logic is what is used to win. All you've done is appeal to emotions and provide no logic.

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See while those explanations work for 1 time things, these constantly repeat themselves. It was the exact same thing with the vegas shooting. And I just found another video talking about how at a school, if you're caught discussing the shooting, the police will be called https://youtu.be/2ih-oJofpEE How is that not blatant censorship?

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That's not an argument is it? That's a generalization. Why don't you just look at them and see if they make sense?

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https://youtu.be/sovQno-1Tw0

How do you explain that she saw the shooter not shooting and heard gunshots coming from somewhere where he was not. How do you explain that she saw no one injured? Also how do you explain that she witnessed a mass shooting and is smiling in the same day

https://youtu.be/peTS6KBK7HI

How do you explain why this girl is laughing when describing being present at the shooting?

https://youtu.be/Nn8VUxBuWMY

How do you explain this girl saying she saw a teacher get shot in the arm and head but seems unphased?

https://youtu.be/MMIAc7dJKXo

How do you explain this horrible acting? Her daughter apparently died. She does not seem like a mother whose daughter just died.

https://youtu.be/BG0a04PX-zY

How do you explain this dude apparently crying but having no tears and sounding and looking nothing like a person who is crying?

https://youtu.be/2ih-oJofpEE

How do you explain that people who are discussing it and it's legitimacy are being told they can't discuss it?

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Look I'm gonna link you some videos and I want you to explain to me how they make any sense:

https://youtu.be/sovQno-1Tw0

How do you explain that she saw the shooter not shooting and heard gunshots coming from somewhere where he was not. How do you explain that she saw no one injured? Also how do you explain that she witnessed a mass shooting and is smiling in the same day

https://youtu.be/peTS6KBK7HI

How do you explain why this girl is laughing when describing being present at the shooting?

https://youtu.be/Nn8VUxBuWMY

How do you explain this girl saying she saw a teacher get shot in the arm and head but seems unphased?

https://youtu.be/MMIAc7dJKXo

How do you explain this horrible acting? Her daughter apparently died. She does not seem like a mother whose daughter just died.

https://youtu.be/BG0a04PX-zY

How do you explain this dude apparently crying but having no tears and sounding and looking nothing like a person who is crying?

2 points

I believe that they are staged to gain support for gun control. I'm honestly not even sure that people have died. I think the deaths could possibly be faked. I've written quite a bit in reply to other arguments on here so I'm not going to explain a ton, but here is an example video that makes no sense at all if we assume that they are real events and the US news stations are telling the truth. She states that she was walking with the shooter and he wasn't shooting, and that she heard gunshots elsewhere and that she saw no one injured https://youtu.be/sovQno-1Tw0

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"Not in any country outside the U S , where is your evidence for this claim ?"

All that matters is the news in the US if the laws are being passed there so it doesn't matter that it's not happening outside the US.

"Again an unsubstantiated claim , evidence ?"

watch these videos and tell me if they looks like they witnessed a shooting first hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i97DdqgwX4

https://youtu.be/Nn8VUxBuWMY

With this video the first one is definitely fake, but the second one does not seem fake she reveals info that is inconsistent with the main stream story and generally doesn't seem like shes acting. Also note that she smiles at some points in the video. Seems odd for someone who witness a mass shooting the same day. It was a pain in the ass to even find these videos as they've been removed from youtube a lot.

Here's a bonus one of more bad acting: [https://youtu.be/BG0a04PX-zY]

"So a company called ISO are complicit in this “ scheme “ ,again your evidence?"

I don't have evidence for this one. I did have a link back when the Vegas shooting happened. In fact a guy predicted the Vegas shooting like 3 weeks early stating that ISO systems would be the ones to gain from it but I don't have the link now.

"You know this how ?"

It is implicit that the shooters are scapegoats if the shootings are faked. The evidence for that lies in all other evidence if they are in fact faked.

"So shootings take place to get people riled up about gun control do drug dealers use the same tactic pushing drugs to get people talking about drug control ?

If not why not ?"

I have no idea what you even mean by this.

"That smacks of paranoia , tell me what about the news you get where do you get it from ?"

All the major ones in the US. ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN. Their youtube channels all have lots of videos about the shooting all of which are biased and push the agenda of gun control.

By your logic of me needing so much evidence to prove it was faked, I can use the same argument to say it was faked. You're saying "Where's your evidence that it was faked?" I just as easily can say "Where's your evidence that it wasn't faked?" You're not proving that it wasn't faked by asking me what my evidence is. If you want to prove they aren't faked you need to provide evidence that says they weren't. All the information you're getting is just from what the news is saying. There are details that make these shootings not make sense. For example, in the parkland shooting, a student was walking with the alleged shooter during the shooting. https://youtu.be/Nn8VUxBuWMY?t=138 Another example is that in the vegas shooting lots of people said that the gunshots were fake https://youtu.be/3rFsc69jfM and also that people couldn't see anyone injured out of the supposed 58 dead and 500 something injured https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SArmCkZFv2Q These are just 3 details that don't make sense. If you do some research yourself you will see that there are many more but I'm not gonna go search for endless amounts of evidence that you will probably dispute anyway. If you're genuinely curious do some searching for yourself.

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"For what reason would they be “ staged “ ?"

Well if you look at all the news media, all of them frame the story through gun control. All of them get "survivors" of the shootings to talk about gun control and just push the agenda of it so that is a possible motive. Another one that is less obvious which was talked about a lot more with the Vegas shooting as far as motive goes, is that the agenda would be to get a bill passed requiring metal detectors in casinos particularly and a lot of other places to generate shit tons of money for a company called ISO systems that produces metal detectors.

"Are all mass shooters involved together in agreeing to “stage “ shootings ?"

The "shooters" are scapegoats. The government has something to gain from the shootings which is gun control which makes the public weak, and fear/propaganda which makes them docile and obedient. The news corporations are obviously in on it as well considering they are the ones telling the story to the public. They don't have as much to gain, but views generate money and probably get some bonus from whoever is collaborating with them to pull off the staged shootings. Another possibility is corporations who produce metal detectors gaining lots of money from bills being passed to require metal detectors in lots of places.

Either way, I really don't think asking "why?" is the most important thing at this time. It is important, but only after it is confirmed that they are in fact faked. News corporations have been confirmed to fake news stories in the past, it's just that they're taking it to another level with these shootings. Government and private corporations can be extremely corrupt as well and their history shows that this isn't that inconsistent with their behavior.

We need to ask questions about the events and the stories of them and see if they make sense. A lot of them don't.

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All you're doing is appealing to emotions not logic at all. I question things so I must want sensationalism? There are lots of things that don't make sense at all in many shooting but you sit there on your high horse acting as if questioning isn't neccecary and in fact wrong to do with shootings. Give me a logical argument why they are not faked, not some stupidity about emotions with no logic. I will not apologize.


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