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I am not completely against women being ordained to the priesthood. With that said I do believe that it is not up to us to dictate if women should hold the priesthood or not. The church has made it very clear how revered women are in the LDS faith and how loved they are by our Heavenly Father. Why do we as women want more? Men cannot enter the relief society session of conference so why should we be allowed to enter the priesthood session? We can still watch it on the television and read it later. Why take seats from men who hold the priesthood? Also, who makes the commandments in the church? Who makes the rules? Is it the prophet and other leaders of the church? No, it is God. He is the only one who can give priesthood to women. God does not work on our time line, so even if he will give us the power of the priesthood eventually it is not now. No, as of now, women should not be given the keys of the priesthood.

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I'm not sure how I feel about this argument. I do think that most books written today are shallow and without depth, but not all of them are that way.

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How are we Lutheran? I don't understand why you would put us in parenthasis beside the lutherans, I have no problemwith Lutherans but...I am really confused.

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We are not polytheistic. We believe in one God and one God only, and his Son Jesus Christ who bought us with his blood throught the atonement. How does our beleif contradict the Bible? show me the verses and I can garentee that I will be able to dispute it. The Golden Plates are not on earth and were not found in Mexico but in Palmira New York and the Urum and Thumum was taken with the Plates by the Angel so that evil men could not corupt it's words (which already happened once before due to a bad judgment by Joseph Smith). What do you mean Christains in the traditional sense, we believe Christ is our Savior and suffered for our sins...how can you get more traditional? That is exactly what defined a Christian when Christian's were first on earth.

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Yes, we do believe that we have the chance to become like God when we are taken to paridise, or Heaven, to live with him again. The differance between our belief that we might become God's or Goddesses and what Santin did is this. Lucifer wanted ALL power for himself, the glory would never be God's ,but his. This is why he was cast out. He wanted to be all powerful, make God kneel before him and take away everyone's right too choose, make everyone return to God and never make mistakes. But we are here to learn and grow, how would we learn without the choice between good and evil? I know that many people believe that we control our children and take away all agency from our people, but that is not true. Yes there are parents who 'make' their children go to church, my family tried that with my sister, but that is not the true message of our Church. That is parents trying to protect their children and bring them up in what they beleive to be true. We cannot 'make' anyone do anything, in the end it is always their choice and maybe like my sister they will choose to leave or maybe they will stay and truely let the spirit lighten their hearts and teach them. Anyway back to my point, we are different from what the devil did because we followed God's path for us and let him lead us and prepair us to become Gods and Goddesses, we are his children after all, why would we not have the chance to become as he is?

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What do you mean it is what you think about Jesus that makes you Christian. We believe that Christ is our Savior, the only begotton of the Father, just like every other Christian religion. So what exactly makes us not Christian? Our name is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints for crying out loud? What more could we do you need?

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It says in several places in the Bible that the Bible should not be added too, and then it goes to another book so how is the Book of Mormon any different from those books that were written after that statement? I do not know who told you that we believe that Christ was not born of a virgin, whoeve told you that was lieing. We do beleive he was born of Virgin Mary.

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Not true. Have you ever read the Book of Mormon? It is not all about Joseph Smith. Yes he is a beloved Prophet and leader to us, but he is not the cornerstone of our religion. Christ, his teachings, and his example are. If you were to read 3 Nephi in the Book of Mormon you would see that his teachings are what guide us.

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At one point in time we did practice poligomy, but we do not anymore. If you were to really look at the bible you would see several instances of when prophets and other men were married to more than one woman. So how is that any different from now? As I said above, we do not alow men to marry more than one woman now and so we do not have, 'millions of wives' to go home to.

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I don't know where you got this information but we do believe Christ is God. We are Christians in ever sense of the word. The first artical of faith in our religion states, "We beleive in God the eternal father and in his Son, Jesus Christ." He is our savior and our God.

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Wow...that is just sad, you have nothing more to say so you just say I bore you and I no longer have your attention. It seems I cannot change your mind on this issue, fine. But don't call me overly-biased without showing some support for it.

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This is a good way to think about it too. Christ's life was perfect and we are supposed to follow his example, but we are human and make mistakes. Although I don't agree that our lives have a set way they are planned out by God I do agree that we stray from the PATH he wants us to follow. Abortion is just another shiney object just off the path that seems good on the outside but once your in it is not so good anymore and it is hard to find the light again. Like in J.R.R Tolken's book the hobbit when Bilbo and his companions stray from the path in the forest and cannot find the path again.

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That does not even make sense...We are not perfect beings,we will not be perfect until we are take into God's arms once more. God made us imprefect because he sent us here to learn. If we were perfect then there would be no need for learning or to be here.

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I think it would be good for you to read the book of job in the bible, not for spiritual reasons nessisarily but because it shows true humility. Trail is also how we show our algence to God. Think about this, I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or Mormon as we are often called.

Our first modern prophet, Joseph Smith Jr. went through hell to bring our church to the world. We were driven from state to state in a countary that claimed to have religious freedom, and yet we never let go of our God. We were persecuted and killed for sport. Our leaders were tared and feathered, our members tossed into jail for mearly believeing in the Book of Mormon. Our prophet lost 3 children when they were very young to illness and he was martered in Liberty Jail along with his brother and some other leaders of our church at the time, now years and years later we are a thriveing church with many many memebers world wide because of the sacrifices that Joseph Smith made. Yes it is sad that children and others get cancer or have other illnesses, It makes me very sad but illness is part of life and everyone's situation is different. My older sister died as a baby, I feel sorry that I will never know her,but I take comfort in knowing that God has taken her into his care and she is happy and safe.

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I agree whole heartedly with this comment. God gave us the amazing gift of acency, to do with our lives as we wish to. That does not mean he is ok with the bad choices we make, but he does understand that we are human and make mistakes, through his son we can be forgiven again.

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Ok so here are the thoughts that ran through my head as I read this.

1)Why would God prevent evil if evil is how we learn?

2)God is not willing but not malevolent because evil is a nessisary part of life.

3)He isn't willing,see statement #2.

4)He is able but not willing,once again, see statement #2.

We have to remember we cannot put God in a box, he does not think like we do, his thoughts are not our thoughts. We do not have all the information of the world and the hearts of every man on earth like he does. We do not comprehend everthing he understands, that is why he is God.Evil is part of our lives,without it we would not know good. Without evil we couldn't know what good is because it would not be there. It is similar to the phrase, without trial,heartache and unhappiness there would not be happiness. We would never learn and grow if everything in this world was good. Think about the Revelutionary War, without that the United States of America would never have been created. Our forefathers would never have steeped themselves so fully in the study of what freedom is and we would be under the rule of Great Britan. Without evil or bad there is no good. God would never take that knowledge that he gave to Adam and Eve away from us.

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Ok, let me see if I can answer your quesiton. You want to know about free will,right? Well then think about this. Christ and our Heavenly father know each of us personally and know what choices we will make in this life. That does not mean that they 'force us' to make these decisions. The greatest gift from God is our agency. He will never take that away from us. No the evil in the world is not part of our God's plan, but it is part of the devils plan. Christ and God both know us and know your thoughts and our hearts. They would never 'make us' do anything. We are here to learn and if we were forced into thinking or doing a certian thing we would never learn.Things such as abortion, war, cruelty are all tools of the devil, we must NOT confuse these cruel things with our creator and our God. We are responsible for ourselves. We do have agency! We are not predestened to do anything, it is our choice what we do with our lives. Our God just knows before hand what those choices will be. We are not forced into anything.

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