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"Big mouth, small brain."

I've made 6765 posts in 10+ years.

You've made 6731 in 2 years with just one of your many alts.

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Judge for yourself - here's a guide:

integrity (honesty, courage, etc.)

personality (charisma, cool under pressure, etc.)

intelligence (enough to converse with experts in myriad disciplines)

agenda (depends on your perspective - for example)

leadership (setting tone/expectations, talent recognition/delegation, etc.)

rarely - and they fully should expect to pay the price.

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or, you can ask them:

Racial Injustice

Police Brutality

Criminal Justice Reform

Black Immigration

Economic Injustice

LGBTQIA+ and Human Rights

Environmental Conditions

Voting Rights & Suppression

Healthcare

Government Corruption

Education

Commonsense Gun Laws

Why not 2% and DOW 50,000??

Goals are not plans.

Because everyone knows Trump to be such a paragon of virtue...

'The president put “his own political interests” ahead of “U.S. national interests,” Bolton writes, “not just on trade questions but across the whole field of national security.” Virtually every decision, according to Bolton, was “driven by re-election calculations.” Trump’s behavior with Russia and Ukraine substantiates that indictment. So does his collusion with China.'

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/bolton-book-trump-china-election.html

except Tucker knows that Republicans supported Trump because he is not a conservative.

If they wanted a conservative, they could have rallied around Cruz
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for example?

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only if it's biodegradable...

eventually maybe we can get all the way back up to 0

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except the left doesn't use straws...

:)

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or Charlie Brown's shirt.

(where's nom for the brown-shirt ref?)

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once we figure out daylight saving time, the rest will sort itself out.

;)

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surely a cunning linguist could lick the problem...

;-P

Here's a case for permanent DST (same as ending DST, but shifted back an hour):

Less accidents

Less crime

Less energy use

Better sleep

More recreation and economic activities

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but the other side is orange, which is red+yellow.

So, only scared Republicans?

Fox'y

Left sides matter!

You do know that Pocahontas was the name of a real person, right?

you should at least remember that there was a Disney movie...

Both sides would be wrong to support it, but some Democrats think they should because they know Republicans will eventually change the rule.

Pete Buttigieg: "We should consider it. I mean, that’s something the senators have to figure out but it’s got to be on the table because our sense of fair play among Democrats has bitten us far too many times for us to be naive about it."

The Senate should have a higher bar of consensus, but the trends are that Republicans would have a hard time getting to 60 Senators, and sometimes even with they have a majority of Senators, they represent a minority of voters.

Admitting new states is not something a president does - it would require a compromise to get through Congress.

Because they know not to trust that he will treat it with the nuance and care it deserves.

"Less regulations and tax cuts are policies."

Often, especially in Trump's case, short-sighted ones.

From your source:

"June marks the fourth month that has seen a noticeable increase in gun sales, with May, April and March reporting year-over-year increases of 80.2 percent, 71.3 percent and 85.3 percent, respectively"

Floyd was killed May 25th

Do you think it may be related to something else? It couldn't be due to the virus since that was going to be gone by February, or was it Easter, or maybe summer, or ...

- 0 examples so far

- "Right-leaning pages in total have a bigger presence on Facebook" ref

- "no research has ever suggested that Republicans have been disadvantaged on social media platforms." ref

The right purposefully causes deficits, blames the next Democrat, then forgets all about it when they get elected again - and that is the Dems fault, too. Interesting logic.

Passing a stimulus to recover from the Bush era recession added to the debt, but was necessary to turn the economy around.

Then Obama brought the deficits down to below Bush levels.

Then Trump nearly doubled them in what he was calling a great economy.

Right, definitely the left's fault...

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Then Trump will help how exactly?

3 years to build 1 total mile of new fence was good?

https://americanindependent.com/donald-trump-border-wall-1-mile-mexico-immigration-customs-and-border-protection-cbp/

Fencing did already exist and more importantly:

"Border Patrol already employs a "digital wall" composed of about 8,000 cameras, which monitor the southern fence and ports of entry. Its resources also include more than 11,000 underground sensors, 107 aircraft, eight drones, 175 mobile surveillance units and 84 boats."

January 2017

He is spending billions for show, and the money will come from taxpayers - not Mexico.

"4.8 million new jobs during the month of June"

The US economy lost about 25 million jobs in April and May - was that due to his prudence as well?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/04/the-may-unemployment-rate-is-expected-to-be-near-20percent-as-millions-more-lost-jobs.html

Was misreporting the numbers prudent?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2020/06/08/theres-a-glaring-misleading-error-in-the-may-jobs-report-us-may-be-at-20-unemployment/

If the administration had acted faster, it could have implemented a system of paying people to stay employed rather than paying unemployment, which could have enabled a much faster recovery.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/europe-seeks-to-limit-coronavirus-crisis-with-unprecedented-offers-to-pay-private-sector-salaries/2020/03/24/1f099a5a-6abe-11ea-b199-3a9799c54512_story.html

there was also a bi-partisan $2 trillion stimulus bill...

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"subversive activities"

The government should definitely police any crimes, but not thoughts.

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"successful programme of encouraging American Corporations to return to the U.S"

Less than under Obama

https://www.bea.gov/sites/default/files/ 2020-07/fdi0720.pdf

"the border defensive wall"

The passable land border already had fencing, and using military surplus steel is a much more pragmatic solution than paying millions per mile for little-to-no extra benefit.

Most immigrants in the US illegally didn't cross the border illegally, they overstayed visas.

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Were immigrants dangerous when they came from Europe and the wait time was however long it took to cross the Atlantic?

Is it better to compete with a person on a level playing-field here, or against them in a country with no labor or environmental regulations?

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Just like a salesperson (an most other people), a cop is generally concerned with what is in it for them -

a salary, 20-year retirement with pension, training, etc.

A government's goal should be to align those goals with the interest of society: low emergency call volumes, fast response times, high clearance rates, few complaints, etc.

"Move the nation's capital to the South or Midwest."

Sure, move it to the center of the country - Kansas, and take away its statehood.

"Put a Native American statue on the top of the dome at the Capital Building"

Maybe they can use 'Pokahantas'

then they can teach people the difference between capital and capitol

and how to spell Pocahontas - now that they love Native Americans so much

"Get rid of fillabuster"

So that an even smaller minority of the country can override the will of the majority?

"Divide Texas into four red states"

And California into 5 (and Florida, and New York)

and statehood for D.C., Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, and American Samoa

"An alternate option to Obamacare."

Sure, a public option

"Let Mexico have California"

Go the other way - buy/annex Mexico. Lots of beachfront, small border, etc.

"School choice"

Lots of liberals are for school choice (Obama even has a charter school named after him) - they just don't want to harm public schools in the process. In many areas, schools are a natural monopoly, and there are special regulations to ensure are enforced (teaching every child including the disabled, preventing sex-offender teachers, etc.)

"Aim for a 40,000 DOW.

"Get unemployment back down even further.

"Try for a 30 trillion GDP"

with what policies? aiming is not a policy.

"Campaign for Mike Pence or Ted Cruz for President vs Pokahantas Warren or Andrew Coronavirus Cuomo."

Instead of banning people for going to church in their car, we can ban people for talking to women...

"Bring more jobs back from China to America."

Through steel tariffs that cost more jobs than they saved?

"Pass legislation to protect non Marxists from being censored and banned from the social media monopoly."

will never happen. the politicians (including Trump) need the platforms even more than the platforms need them.

"Get the economy going again"

By borrowing from the future like his previous ideas?

"Protect statues of abolitionists from the overtly racist left."

Preventing military bases named after civil war leaders from being renamed

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/10/trump-says-army-bases-will-keep-confederate-names.html

"Don't let the Communist left create even more chaos and death in the streets"

Is he preventing anything today? or just fanning the flames?

Do conservatives now want presidents invading states? Electing Trump had already shown that people voting Republican never really cared about a conservative agenda, but this would prove the rejection to be thorough and complete...

"Protect the 2nd Amendment from Biden"

and from reforms that 90% of the country wants?

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/01/28/strong-majority-of-americans-nra-members-back-gun-control

"Finish the wall"

Why isn't it done already - trouble getting that funding from Mexico??

life has a funny, funny way of helping you out...

;-)

Sure - they are going to join the people who incessantly call them incapable bongos...

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After seeing this, I've reported several spam accounts over the last month or two and they still seem active.

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sometimes

Make the left-side great again!!!

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As I already mentioned - I had friends in the 911-truth movement, and was initially curious and open. I probably still have the Loose Change and In Plane Sight DVDs somewhere. But a) the initially persuasive/interesting questions have been answered and b) it doesn't actually matter what you or I believe in terms of current decisions - either way we would (and should) still have a healthy skepticism of government; whether or not we are in Afghanistan, etc. is based on current goals and exit strategies, not 9/11.

"society is controlled and manipulated from top to bottom. It has always been that way."

That governments sometimes lie/manipulate does not mean they have successfully manipulated every event in history.

It was fairly obvious to me and many others that the Bush administration was misleading us into war in Iraq. If this was their goal all along, why would they have blamed Al Qaeda in Afghanistan/Pakistan?

"there's no way it could have been al Qaeda who took those buildings down"

Well, except by flying planes into them...

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Apparently Mark Cuban came pretty close to running 3rd party

https://youtu.be/4hREh9jywNU?t=2534

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I thought more third party candidates would run this time, but apparently COVID is making that more difficult:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/coronavirus-adds-ballot-access-hurdles-3rd-party-candidates/story

thermate sometimes contains sulfur and sometimes barium nitrate

Then where's the barium nitrate?

Did the paper find any?

No.

That both sides must appease a media driven by ratings, and therefore, sensationalism

and incite their base by instilling fear of the other for motivation

while avoiding anything too controversial

so they can raise the most money

in order to repeat from the top...

Ultimately that are getting the politics we should expect of an emotion-driven but largely uninformed and apathetic electorate.

I see - so then you must be part of the all-powerful Russian government plot to discredit the American government.

And, I know it's true because I can't find any proof on the internet.

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It usually happens when a link contains an odd number of underscores.

Here is an example post.

Subsequently everything is underlined.

If I change the underscore to the entity code, then it works as it should.

"What do your own eyes tell you?"

That buildings tend to come down that way even as a result of just collapse rather than demolition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMJNKzx6P2A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPGr4D1-zDI

Danny Jowenko

Right, if a conspiracy believer dies 10 years later, it must, of course, be part of the long multi-administration cover-up.

Everyone knows that people don't have car accidents.

That sulfur can come from many sources (the drywall, the heating oil, etc.) is the opposite of saying it couldn't have come from any internal source.

More proof that you haven't the first clue of what you're talking about.

Chain of custody is required in court because if you don't know where your evidence came from (random people can send you dust from their vacuum cleaner), then your study has less reputability. So, you only need care about it if you care about being taken seriously.

Proper handling is used for private DNA tests, employer screenings, and other scientific studies with evidence collected outside a lab not because they will be used in court, but because people want to trust the results.

"not qualified sources"

A) ad hominem as always.

B) Youtube, Rational Wiki and the Skeptical Inquirer are platforms, not sources.

"Dave Thomas, a physicist and mathematician, is president of New Mexicans for Science and Reason and a fellow of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry. He is currently a scientist/programmer at IRIS/PASSCAL in Socorro, New Mexico, and also teaches classes in physics, psychology, and critical thinking at New Mexico Tech."

https://skepticalinquirer.org/authors/dave-thomas/

"Where these samples came from is reported fully in the paper itself"

The paper readily admits there was no chain of custody - the "samples were originally collected by private citizens" and the first sample wasn't received until "11/15/2007"

Somehow the thermate was small enough to be inconspicuously brought in and installed in the towers yet ubiquitous enough to be in every dust sample when the primer paint for the buildings isn't?

http://www.911myths.com/html/traces_of_thermate_at_the_wtc.html

"the paper"

Misstates things they did find:

"When you actually look at the chemical analysis they're referencing here, you find that they're simply misstating its results."

https://askepticalhuman.com/conspiracy-theories/2020/4/20/debunking-911-truthers-thermite-was-found-in-the-dust

and ignores things they didn't find that they should:

"do not have corresponding traces of two major byproducts from thermate, aluminum oxide and barium nitrate."

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/9/11

"The red/gray chips found in the WTC dust at four sites in New York City are consistent with a carbon steel coated with an epoxy resin that contains primarily iron oxide and kaolin clay pigments. There is no evidence of individual elemental aluminum particles of any size in the red/gray chips, therefore the red layer of the red/gray chips is not thermite or nanothermite."

http://aneta.org/911experiments_com/ articles/Millette9119ProgressReport022912_rev1_030112webHiRes.pdf

"I have heard all of these arguments a hundred times"

You've probably heard the arguments and their answers, the problem is that you don't understand either.

"Marxists"

The ad hominem labels may persuade some people, but I (and you should) know better.

"daring the movement to admit otherwise"

They readily do.

ref

"cops shoot more of another demographic"

Blacks are shot more than whites per-capita, and while that stat can be interpreted multiple ways, being shot by cops is not the only evidence of extant racism.

ref ref ref ref

A couple few illustrative examples:

If your wife asks "Do you love me?" and you answer "I love everyone"

If a friend says to you "My father just died" and you reply "Lots of people die"

If your house is on fire and you call 911, and they say "All houses matter"

https://www.elle.com/uk/life-and-culture/culture/a32800835/all-lives-matter-fake-equality/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CA6XxybjGN_

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I wouldn't go as far as committing them, but this debate is to show nom that it is a 'discredited conspiracy theory' as you say.

It's actually not guilt by association, it's called precedential ad hominem.

However, every post you make trying to discredit people just by calling them fascists is a guilt by association fallacy.

as always, nothing to contribute to the actual debate topic...

Since you can't actually debate without banning, I created one where you won't be banned. There you can see the totality of your argument collapse.

Random claims:

But it looked like it.

Fell into its own footprint.

Fire can't cause steel building to collapse, etc.

The weight of the top floors can't cause the bottom floors to collapse - link:

Explanation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMJNKzx6P2A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPGr4D1-zDI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive collapse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAkTbyENZ5s

Claim: Accounts of other explosions

Evidence: Dozens of eye-witness accounts

Explanation:

Most of the claims comport with the NIST report, others changed over the years or are completely controverted by all the evidence (physical, videographic, seismic, etc.)

Exactly what you would expect from eye-witnesses.

Claim: Bad government investigation/coverup

Evidence: Flights of Bin Laden family, Jets not scrambled, random theories not investigated

Explanation:

Flights of Bin Laden family:

The adviser, Richard Clarke, who ran the White House crisis team after the attacks but has since left the Bush administration, said he agreed to the extraordinary plan because the Federal Bureau of Investigation assured him that the departing Saudis were not linked to terrorism. The White House feared that the Saudis could face ''retribution'' for the hijackings if they remained in the United States, Mr. Clarke said.

While F.B.I. officials would not discuss details of the case, they said that in the days immediately after Sept. 11 bureau agents interviewed the adult relatives of Mr. bin Laden, members of one of Saudi Arabia's richest families, before the White House cleared them to leave the country. Mr. bin Laden is said to be estranged from his family, and many of his relatives have renounced his campaign against the United States.

''We did everything that needed to be done,'' said John Iannarelli, a bureau spokesman. ''There's nothing to indicate that any of these people had any information that could have assisted us, and no one was accorded any additional courtesies that wouldn't have been accorded anyone else.''

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/04/us/white-house-approved-departure-of-saudis-after-sept-11-ex-aide-says.html

Have any of them been charged with any involvement since then?

Jets not scrambled:

Yes they were. ref ref ref

8:37:52 hijack

8:44:59 jets from Otis AFB given go ahead

Random theories not investigated:

"The NIST study was conducted to answer specific questions about building performance

[10], not to address any alternate theory, and certainly not to address an entire universe of

incomplete speculations. Despite this, NIST did speak to this ill-posed question directly

in an interim document known as the NIST FAQ [11], as follows:

'NIST’s findings also do not support the “controlled demolition” theory since there is conclusive

evidence that:

- the collapse was initiated in the impact and fire floors of the WTC towers and nowhere

else, and;

- the time it took for the collapse to initiate (56 minutes for WTC 2 and 102 minutes for

WTC 1) was dictated by (1) the extent of damage caused by the aircraft impact, and (2)

the time it took for the fires to reach critical locations and weaken the structure to the

point that the towers could not resist the tremendous energy released by the downward

movement of the massive top section of the building at and above the fire and impact

floors.

Video evidence also showed unambiguously that the collapse progressed from the top to the

bottom, and there was no evidence (collected by NIST, or by the New York Police Department,

the Port Authority Police Department or the Fire Department of New York) of any blast or

explosions in the region below the impact and fire floors as the top building sections (including

and above the 98th floor in WTC 1 and the 82nd floor in WTC 2) began their downward

movement upon collapse initiation."

http://www.911myths.com/drgnistreview21.pdf

https://www.nist.gov/topics/disaster-failure-studies/faqs-nist-wtc-7-investigation (14, 15)

https://www.nist.gov/topics/disaster-failure-studies/faqs-nist-wtc-towers-investigation (22)

https://skepticalinquirer.org/2011/07/the-911-truth-movement-the-top-conspiracy-theory-a-decade-later/

Claim: Thermite/Thermate

Evidence: dust, Sulfidized metal

Explanation:

"Niels Harrit and Steven Jones, along with several coauthors, published the “peer-reviewed” paper “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal (Harrit 2009). This article does not make the case for thermite use on 9/11. The paper examined “distinctive red/gray chips” found in WTC dust (unfortunately, with no chain of custody for the dust), and these were claimed to be thermitic because of their composition (iron oxides and pure aluminum) and other chemical properties. However, the presence of rust and aluminum does not prove the use of thermite, because iron oxide and aluminum are found in many common items that existed in the towers. Furthermore, the authors admit that their “differential scanning calorimeter” measurements of the supposed thermitic material showed results at about 450 degrees C below the temperature at which normal thermite reacts (Fana 2006). Finally, the scan of the red side of the “thermitic material” of Harrit/Jones is a dead-on match to material Jones himself identified as “WTC Steel Primer Paint” in his Hard Evidence Down Under Tour in November of 2009"

https://skepticalinquirer.org/2011/07/the-911-truth-movement-the-top-conspiracy-theory-a-decade-later/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OpzRcYqlKQ&list=PL92DAE5DE3C22CF4F&index=12&t=0s&app=desktop

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/9/11

Claim: Molten steel

Evidence: Pictures, video, eye-witness accounts

Explanation:

There is no reason to think it was molten steel rather than lead, aluminum, tin, or many of the other materials present.

While there are sporadic/small examples of molten materials, if there were large lakes/rivers of molten metal, they would have cooled into large solid metal lakes - there is no evidence those existed.

If you insist on being schooled some more - here ya go

That shows some overlap in who people follow on Twitter, not television watching habits.

There is only one network that more than one-third of conservatives trust/watch - Fox News

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I realize people may feel too busy to research everything and therefore rely on others sometimes, but what I don't understand is why people continually rely on sources that repeatedly mislead them.

Can you name one conservative that you think was inappropriately banned?

I asked the question here, and not one example was provided.

Candace openly told people to break the law and was suspended from Twitter until the tweet was deleted, and Diamond and Silk say they were censored when they weren't. That's all it takes these days for the propaganda machine to cry mass victimhood.

Liberals/Independents watch many news channels (NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, BBC, etc.) - conservatives generally watch one (FOX and a few OAN idiots).

Those are the "briefs" he actually cares about...

;-)

She says herself that she went on a "rampage". That twitter picked that up as possibly being that her account was hacked or sending spam, etc., and just has her confirm her identity before resuming is normal.

Seeing bogeymen where they don't exist is required for the right's victim mentality.

How does being a homeless guy who "had been repeatedly asked by other members in the park to leave due to his disruptive behavior" make him a "leftist"?

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"in this part of the country the cops aren't stupid enough to walk into someone's yard unannounced"

'officers with Midwest City[, Oklahoma] Police Department served a "no-knock" search warrant on Hill’s residence, on May 24, 2018, for evidence related to possession and distribution of controlled substances.'

ref

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You're not really going to save money making beer, but you can on cigarettes. And, as I mentioned earlier, it is because of excise taxes.

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Breonna Taylor might have thought the same...

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At his age, he is probably pretty nappy too

Those are "pull-down rope tied in a knot" examples.

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I would call you nappy, but I think I'm too woke for that.

;-)

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"a police officer's prime function is to prevent crime"

and, according to this documentary, investigate crime

;-)

In the criminal just system...
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You must be new. Chinaman is a troll.

He's asked this same question multiple times, and even when answered he will ask again.

That people don't always bother with him is not the same as saying there is no answer.

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"Minneapolis already voted"

So far they have basically voted for the first step of putting the question of whether to rename the "Police" to the "Department of Community Safety and Violence Prevention" on the ballot in November.

https://lims.minneapolismn.gov/Download/ File/3866/MPD Charter Amendment_VII 062420 Final.pdf

"Stop calling a garage pull a noose. You look like a brainwashed cultist."

Stop calling it not a noose - you look like a brainwashed cultist.

"Across the 1,684 garage stalls at 29 tracks, NASCAR found only 11 total had a pull-down rope tied in a knot and only one noose"

https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2020/06/25/nascar-completes-investigation-into-no-43-garage-stall-at-talladega/

I'm Kevin Nealon and that's noose to me...

My question:

"Who is doing the hate-crimes that aren't false-flag?"

your response:

"Who is doing the hate-crimes that are false-flag?"


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