No? What the hell does that do? What do you mean by attack Iran? Their people? Cause that makes YOU the dangerous one. Attack the military? Why? So that you can get a bomb dropped on ya or bring them over here to drop shit on us? I am all for somehow disabling any country's nuclear program though, they are putting people at risk.. even plants not meant for war have caused issues. If it's nuclear it should be chucked. If it's energy you can use other things that don't seep all the way across the ocean into someone elses country. If it's harm, all it does is spread torture and destruction. There are no "rights" when it comes to nuclear property as far as I'm concerned xD
Are you serious? You didn't think this one through, did you? Obesity is PHYSICAL. Being skinny without an eating disorder is not a mental disorder and it isn't considered anorexia. So why should obesity be? Overeating disorders are also highlighted, so when someone is obese because of this, there's already therapy for them.
Oh wow, you think that life imprisonment sucks or something? Get real. first of all, not everyone is for omgforever imprisonment. If they will offend again, certainly something has to be done, though. If you're for killing them and making families suffer even more, you're for their life imprisonment if it's so bad. Killing someone would probably a dull a LOT of people's pain, whether that person's family member was killed or if it would ease their suffering for some other reason- (let's say you irrationally blame someone for something) Is that the point to be used to justify killing you? Passing the pain onto another family? Making MORE pain? Or should we save the money we waste on DP and use it to help victims of crimes in all sorts of ways?
Does it matter what's more likely? It isn't rare at all for an innocent person to be convicted of a crime they didn't commit. You are so god damn ignorant. You just want to assume that. WAKE. UP. THE TRUTH HURTS! God, I hope you end up one of those people convicted for a rape they didn't commit. We'll see how rare being innocent is. People have been mass-committed based on race (texas government employee, they manipulated them with guilty plea bargains, he was eventually found out), people have been convicted of crimes when they hardly matched the profile, people have been convicted of crimes based on some bitch's word and a combination of emotional swaying (I dont know why that's even allowed in court. argue with FACTS. it has no place there!), people have been convicted of crimes when it was obvious to many others they didn't do it, people have been convicted of crimes they didn't do where the justice system just put them on "probation" cos they KNEW good adnd well they had no business killing them or putting them in a jail, and et cetera, et cetera.
Your argument that everyone dies can be used to kill ANYONE, you idiot. You don't know what's more fucking likely, and it's not funny, cool, or "justice" when your family member is framed and killed for something they didn't do while you were out of country and couldn't give their alibi or even hear of it! :(
Um... just because it takes years for people to die doesn't mean that innocent people aren't being killed! You sure haven't reviewed that many crime cases, have you? there are cases where people were just JAILED, and rotted until they were found to be innocent! The justice system is fucked up. Stop trying to convince yourself it's anywhere near perfect. I've seen some fucked up "pleaded guilty" cases.
You're kind of dumb, considering that the death penalty costs more. That money (MILLIONS) could be used to actually HELPING people, rather than trying to get revenge on people. Saying that imprisonment costs more is a lie, and I'm tired of people equating rape with murder. Why not bullying with murder, etc. Let's send em all to death. No one's life loses value because it took another. It isn't about "value" of life, other wise let's just kill people who don't do much with their lives. At least sticking to "it's a punishment" makes more sense. It's about rights, and the fact that many INNOCENT people are put into prison. They have let cases air on crime tv show that scare the shit out of me- how was this person put in jail? Some of the people I've seen haven't even been released yet. I can't find any statistics on how many people they've killed with the DP that were innocent, well, of course not... and it's not a deterrent either. This quote breaks my heart: Kerry Kennedy Cuomo, daughter of the slain Senator Robert Kennedy, has written:
"I was eight years old when my father was murdered. It is almost impossible to describe the pain of losing a parent to a senseless murder.…But even as a child one thing was clear to me: I didn't want the killer, in turn, to be killed. I remember lying in bed and praying, 'Please, God. Please don't take his life too.' I saw nothing that could be accomplished in the loss of one life being answered with the loss of another. And I knew, far too vividly, the anguish that would spread through another family – another set of parents, children, brothers, and sisters thrown into grief."(Foreword to Gray and Stanley, A Punishment in Search of A Crime 1989)
A life being lost or shattered is awful, but making MORE victims is NOT okay. Causing another family to lose someone isn't okay. many times people never stop caring, even when they find out that their loved one, child, etc, has done an awful crime. Their pain is worsened by the loved one's death, and the victim's family's pain is prolonged when it takes even longer for a trial to be over with.
And, yet again, it costs everyone more money and doesn't do anything productive for victims...
So, a waste of money... not a deterrent... makes more victims (family of prosecuted and person)... executes innocent people... an unfair power advantage that can be used against people (research: DP not evenly applied!)...robs people of repenting...
Yeah, the DP sounds like a great idea. Totally needed in our country.
They made her life a living hell and that's that... what more is there to say? How does it not sound like a living hell to you? even if someone was emotionally weak, no matter what you're doing, if they tried to drink a bottle of bleach, and you know it, and you continue, you are just as bad as someone who does something reasonably pain causing! They fucking ENCOURAGED her suicide! Told her she should do better next time!
It's common sense... it shouldn't be allowed, it isn't free "speech". It's harassment, stalking, etc... and if it's on the STREET, people call the cops! How come when it's a girl in an enclosed building it's all of a sudden not harassment? I don't have a problem with people not being allowed to harass others, and I don't get why this "free speech"-ers are so damn hardcore about their free speech that what they believe to be free speech (actually torture, um I think that should be covered under violence laws too) that they think the people practicing their "free speech" is more important and makes more sense than protecting the people they're harassing. Saying this is just free speech makes as much sense as saying beating people up is free speech of art on their body, tbh. Both are brutal.
When parents verbally abuse their children, people care about that, because it's a parent and the child is expected to be loved and cared for by them. Why shouldn't children and adults have the right to go to a place to learn or work without being harassed? Why does it make more sense to protect the harassers THEN? Being psychologically tortured by your peers hurts too.
God, pretty soon people will be trying to defend parent-child psychological abuse too.
FreeWill, the argument that a teenager SHOULD have more resilience doesn't make sense anyway. It makes as much sense as saying a man SHOULD be tougher than a woman. And if they're not? What do you have to say? "well, they SHOULD be." Well, they're not. So uh, don't make em cry. don't hurt em. It isn't as if someone chooses to develop panic attack disorder, anxiety problems, depression, etc, from experiences. Even if you somehow do think people shouldnt be affected by her experiences (have to be retarded), that doesn't matter. If someone is affected, fucking stop. Not that they cared. They egged her on to suicide and try again. Said she should've drinken another bottle of bleach.
I think some of these silly fucks need to go through something themselves. They need their lives ruined, purely psychological torture. some of them still wouldn't try to sue their attacker though, just so they don't have to admit that the belief that they should be allowed to harass and affect their life like that is CRAZY.
oh god, are you saying you're a Christian or are you just saying that Jesus is real? I am SO disappointed if you're a Christian! No one automatically accepting that their god exists just because a book was made about it (with tons of contradictions, but oh, you just cherry pick whichever parts you like and ignore the rest, because YOUR PICKS were the ones that weren't supposed to be taken literally! God, who is so powerful, couldn't even give his creations a book they can actually go by and read without mistake and they're supposed to follow it, SOMEHOW!) has any business trying to debate with people on other topics that include having views that aren't very much supported at all. It's hypocritical. I wonder how much cooler the world would be if Harry Potter (less plot holes, no language that is supposedly "not literal", etc) was written some years ago and was proclaimed to be real! Even more pages than the Bible!
A child is simply someone waiting to become an adult. :D. Okay, kidding, but yeah. If someone is blind, never had education on sex, you asked them if they wanted pleasure, you asked them if it was okay that your hand was going to their penis, and they liked the pleasure, would that be "so wrong deserving of jail or murder" too? Ohh, they didn't know anything about the pleasure they were receiving! That's so awful!
Why, oh WHY do people always use the age of the OTHER person to justify that it's "bad"? It's the same thing they do with animals- when it's another animal it's fine, but animal on human? Ohhh god, call the cops! The animal is too retarded to realize what it's doing! It doesn't know that its penis is going into someone's vagina! (or maybe it's that it doesn't know that they're giving the other person pleasure? so what. That can be applied to ADULTS that don't know what the other party is receiving). Children aren't mature enough to make any decisions if they aren't mature enough to make decisions on sex, something that may not have any negative consequences. I could see the reason for laws regarding tattoos, etc, something marked on your skin forever, but something that people who experienced it as a child don't report any trauma with?
Does it matter if they're BOTH 4? Does it matter if one is 5? Yet people can do everything else with their child or let them choose to do other things! Holding back only makes sense to me when it has negative effects is a risk to take on the other side...
They can't "consent" to sex, but it's alright to MAKE children do whatever parents, authorities, and adults in general want them to do? I guess they don't have to be mature if they're being forced to do it!
I'm not opposing you because I'm some kind of pedophile. I'm not even old enough to be one anyway. I'm opposing you because me and everyone else who speaks of experiences when they were younger don't report having some kind of awful negative effect or trauma later warranting some kind of psychotherapy.
All of the arguments against pedophilia suck. I'm convinced that this is just a hammered belief people refuse to let go. I could never understand what was bad, and I never will. I can't convince myself either. There's the "they can't make decisions yet!" argument, flawed in that it only ever covers sex, and not everything else people let children do or FORCE children to do (I think making a kid do something they're scared to do, like taking their tooth out, for example, is worse than letting a kid do something they are supposedly not "able" to decide to do yet). I think this stems from sex being a generally negative thing to some in society- if you have too much, you are somehow immoral, you are a slut, you are a whore, you are degrading yourself, you are hurting your body. People who literally harm their bodies get less shit than people who do what they want when it comes to sex.
People would rather attempt to harm their child by saying something awful happened to them and they are filthy rather than leave them alone to not think anything bad happened to them just because they want to justify their own views, and by letting a kid go on not feeling traumatized, they have to face their views. It's disgusting. That is what I call child abuse.
Some people in with the "they aren't mature enough" argument say that they can't understand all the aspects of sex and bla bla fucking bla, like love and shit, but who are you to say that people should only have sex under love? Sex is what you make it. Sometimes it's just pure physical pleasure, and a "child" isn't retarded enough to know that it's pleasurable. No form of pleasure should be offlimits to anyone, whether it's masturbation or sex. It doesn't harm. What harms is when you want it to hurt them to justify your view.
Another argument (usually used on teenagers, although doing something with an adolescent is not pedophilia) is that it matters what the age of the person is- it's only bad if an adult does it with them. Somehow, something bad was happening to them because the person was over 18. They are all of a sudden not able to consent. The person's brain shut off from the adult waves the other person was emitting! They don't think so, and they're fine, but let's beat em up, leave em for dead, or imprison them!
When they have sex with someone their age, though, and we don't like it, we hold them ACCOUNTABLE and beat or ground them!
Yet another argument is that there is a mental difference between people under 18 and people over 18, making it... bad... somehow... it doesn't matter when they're the same age and one of them happens to be an immature diddlywick of an adult though. That's fine. But, if it's a minor, mental differences are EVIL! That somehow hurts the other person, and NOT the person dating the immature annoying idiot! Not that adults have proven that maturity comes with age anyway!
And another argument is that if someone is a certain set of years older than someone else, that they may take advantage of them. Yes, having a job, etc, when your partner does not, gives you an upperhand! They don't have the upperhand in asking for cash, and other things! Even if they did have the upperhand, the very fact they have one is EVIL! To the slammer with you!
TOTALLY, COMPLETELY, 100% LOGICAL AND JUSTIFIED. IMPRISONING PEOPLE, BEATING THEM UP, OR MURDERING THEM IS NOT AS BAD AS A MINOR HAVING SEX. SEX IS DANGEROUS SHIT, YO. EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T KNOW IT AND SUFFER NO HARMFUL EFFECTS UNLESS YOU PUT THEM THERE!
A child is simply someone waiting to become an adult. :D. Okay, kidding, but yeah. If someone is blind, never had education on sex, you asked them if they wanted pleasure, you asked them if it was okay that your hand was going to their penis, and they liked the pleasure, would that be "so wrong deserving of jail or murder" too? Ohh, they didn't know anything about the pleasure they were receiving! That's so awful!
Why, oh WHY do people always use the age of the OTHER person to justify that it's "bad"? It's the same thing they do with animals- when it's another animal it's fine, but animal on human? Ohhh god, call the cops! The animal is too retarded to realize what it's doing! It doesn't know that its penis is going into someone's vagina! (or maybe it's that it doesn't know that they're giving the other person pleasure? so what. That can be applied to ADULTS that don't know what the other party is receiving). Children aren't mature enough to make any decisions if they aren't mature enough to make decisions on sex, something that may not have any negative consequences. I could see the reason for laws regarding tattoos, etc, something marked on your skin forever, but something that people who experienced it as a child don't report any trauma with?
Does it matter if they're BOTH 4? Does it matter if one is 5? Yet people can do everything else with their child or let them choose to do other things! Holding back only makes sense to me when it has negative effects is a risk to take on the other side...
They can't "consent" to sex, but it's alright to MAKE children do whatever parents, authorities, and adults in general want them to do? I guess they don't have to be mature if they're being forced to do it!
I'm not opposing you because I'm some kind of pedophile. I'm not even old enough to be one anyway. I'm opposing you because me and everyone else who speaks of experiences when they were younger don't report having some kind of awful negative effect or trauma later warranting some kind of psychotherapy.
All of the arguments against pedophilia suck. I'm convinced that this is just a hammered belief people refuse to let go. I could never understand what was bad, and I never will. I can't convince myself either. There's the "they can't make decisions yet!" argument, flawed in that it only ever covers sex, and not everything else people let children do or FORCE children to do (I think making a kid do something they're scared to do, like taking their tooth out, for example, is worse than letting a kid do something they are supposedly not "able" to decide to do yet). I think this stems from sex being a generally negative thing to some in society- if you have too much, you are somehow immoral, you are a slut, you are a whore, you are degrading yourself, you are hurting your body. People who literally harm their bodies get less shit than people who do what they want when it comes to sex.
People would rather attempt to harm their child by saying something awful happened to them and they are filthy rather than leave them alone to not think anything bad happened to them just because they want to justify their own views, and by letting a kid go on not feeling traumatized, they have to face their views. It's disgusting. That is what I call child abuse.
Some people in with the "they aren't mature enough" argument say that they can't understand all the aspects of sex and bla bla fucking bla, like love and shit, but who are you to say that people should only have sex under love? Sex is what you make it. Sometimes it's just pure physical pleasure, and a "child" isn't retarded enough to know that it's pleasurable. No form of pleasure should be offlimits to anyone, whether it's masturbation or sex. It doesn't harm. What harms is when you want it to hurt them to justify your view.
Another argument (usually used on teenagers, although doing something with an adolescent is not pedophilia) is that it matters what the age of the person is- it's only bad if an adult does it with them. Somehow, something bad was happening to them because the person was over 18. They are all of a sudden not able to consent. The person's brain shut off from the adult waves the other person was emitting! They don't think so, and they're fine, but let's beat em up, leave em for dead, or imprison them!
When they have sex with someone their age, though, and we don't like it, we hold them ACCOUNTABLE and beat or ground them!
Yet another argument is that there is a mental difference between people under 18 and people over 18, making it... bad... somehow... it doesn't matter when they're the same age and one of them happens to be an immature diddlywick of an adult though. That's fine. But, if it's a minor, mental differences are EVIL! That somehow hurts the other person, and NOT the person dating the immature annoying idiot! Not that adults have proven that maturity comes with age anyway!
And another argument is that if someone is a certain set of years older than someone else, that they may take advantage of them. Yes, having a job, etc, when your partner does not, gives you an upperhand! They don't have the upperhand in asking for cash, and other things! Even if they did have the upperhand, the very fact they have one is EVIL! To the slammer with you!
TOTALLY, COMPLETELY, 100% LOGICAL AND JUSTIFIED. IMPRISONING PEOPLE, BEATING THEM UP, OR MURDERING THEM IS NOT AS BAD AS A MINOR HAVING SEX. SEX IS DANGEROUS SHIT, YO. EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T KNOW IT AND SUFFER NO HARMFUL EFFECTS UNLESS YOU PUT THEM THERE!
I don't know which this is, but I think it's the side of just leave the guy alone. This debate is spreading misinformation because Anonymous has put a disclaimer saying that the information is NOT to be used to force vigilante justice onto the person, and it's more so that the system knows who did it, but they'd prefer not to be in contact with the police, because, well... they're Anonymous ffs. People should know better than to actually try to do things to him. It's just going to bother the police with more work.
You are very ignorant as to what actually happened to the girl. She was blackmailed by some guy, and because she turned it down, he sent her nude pictures to everyone, and they bullied her further in school. She developed panic attacks, anxiety disorders, etc... then when she moved, he did it AGAIN, and she lost everyone AGAIN. she was alone and harassed, and lived a hell of a life.
She wasn't crazy, or sensitive, for taking her life. It wasn't some kind of minor experience. I'd say you have to actually EXPERIENCE/LIVE THROUGH IT to understand just what sort of hell it is, but I haven't and I still understand that even what I imagine isnt as bad as the real thing. Maybe you need a dose? If it was your daughter, you wouldn't think it was a minor thing. Oh wow, now being raped is a minor thing to you? Not everyone who gets continuously psychologically tortured kills themselves, sure, but that doesn't mean it's MINOR.
This isn't to say that I believe in hard core jail, or trampling justice... I just don't like it when people say it's no big deal and act like the victim was just a pansy. Even if someone IS and an experience is minor, yknow how sensitive they are, and you did it anyway. If seeing a picture of a bull causes crazy panic attacks and severe depression for days, and you know that, well doggon it, you are a torturer to do it to them! Even if it was just a picture of something! People shouldn't have to immediately buff up (it doesn't work like that... trust me) or be blamed when they get hurt. Where's her sympathy?
It should be supported.. Marriage has nothing to do with whether or not people LOVE each other. Marriage exists with and without love. Not that I even think sex before love is wrong, who are you to tell people when they ought to have sex? They can do sex with someone they don't love, just like they can do other activities with someone they don't love. Maybe YOU save sex and other things only for love, that's fine and your business... but others don't have to.
That makes no sense. They aren't a servant. That's like saying people who do other physical things for people (massages, foot treatment, etc) are servants. If they want it to do it, let them. Making prostitution illegal only makes things bad for prostitutes.
Telling people "don't be a prostitute" isn't doing anything, and TV isn't to blame for prostitution. Why should people be put in jail in the first place? you'd rather people get hurt trying to stay out of jail or pay taxes on the people who do get caught (jail costs money) than let them do what they wish? How is prostitution different from other forms of physical service? Like massages? You cant oppose your victimless morals on sex on others. Its tyranny.
So let's illegalize sex too? Plenty of kids are born from sex with or without money. Wouldn't it be better for the kids if they didn't have to hide in the shadows with their parents and could get support? What will happen when the mother tries to get CS from the dad and he tells people she prostituted? Discourages her from getting any support cos she will just land in jail.
right... so keep it ILLEGAL because people are being forced to do it. That solves the issue. You make no fucking sense. People being harmed is the reason it should be legalized! So that they wont be afraid to report someone for hurting them because they are involved in illegal activity! Making it a legal professional job only helps people who want to do it get out of the streets to do it.
Isfandak, you do realize that people choose to cheat with or without a prostitute, and that having it be illegal doesn't help anything? The man or woman chooses to go to the prostitute, prostitute rings shouldn't be underground and criminalized along with other dangers out there just because you think someone will cheat...
How do they objectify women? Maybe if you call one a cunt, but even then, what happens if you call a man a cunt? Calling a man a dick isn't objectifying a man, is it? No? Why not? Don't be brainless. It depends on what they mean. If you tell someone "You're a piece of shit" or "You're nothing but a cunt to be used" or "You're nothing but a dick for cunts" THEN you're objectifying someone.
A lot of Americans say the word cunt... you are on the outside looking in, my friend. I've heard all kinds of hilarious generalizations about Americans from outside sources. "Cunt" is only nasty to some because it means vagina. Except, it sounds even nastier. Somehow. Some people just think it sounds nasty. Kinda like how I think the word "tit" for boobs makes it sound nasty.
There's an error there. You don't have to force someone to do it. You simply do it in secret. Although, I guess, some people who would have simply propositioned them privately end up just taking it anyway. BUT, most of them who forced kids to do things would probably do it by force whether it was legal or not if the kid doesn't want to.
People do dumb shit because of what they believe, which is religion. Your point that they do dumb shit because they aren't perfect stands too... the reason religion exists is because humans aren't perfect, after all. They are the inventors of religion.
It's just a matter of semantics. It's like saying that faulty security systems don't cause people to escape. Well yeah, the people are the ones doing the escaping, but come on, don't get smart and or be difficult over words.
The way I see it, religion has. Religion exists within the people. It doesn't exist by itself. If no one believes in the things listed under religions and it's not talked about, it's nothing but an idea. (for example, I write about the belief that pill bottles can eat and call it pillbotism, it doesn't really exist as a religion though). When people say religion doesn't cause it, they usually are trying to back a stance that people can still believe in religion and it doesn't kill people. Sure, it depends on the religion though. If a religion involves killing, their same stance doesn't stand.
Not really. It's not easy to be proven as insane to a prosecution. Fat chances that it would be allowed. Maniacs? That's the POINT. They're maniacs. It is more often that people are injustly imprisoned (totally innocent) or too mentally ill to be held responsible go to jail. You are kidding yourself... it's easier to lose than it is to win when you are a suspect.
Um... children aren't obligated to a lot of things. Does that mean wrongs should be done to them? I don't think that's why they should be eaten. It isn't their fault if they must eat other animals to survive. It's sure as hell less of a big deal than someone whose life is as complex as a human being killed and eaten, though. By that logic, we should be able to do whatever we want to psychopaths because they don't have the ability to empathize and cannot understand why us other people have "morals" or think anything is "wrong" (true story bro, deny it if you want, it doesn't change anything).
I don't think they have the exact same rights as humans but there is no way anyone can argue that animals shouldn't have any rights at all. Animals suffer just like humans do. Why should humans be delivered from suffering and animals shouldn't? However, a human life is made of more things than an animal's life, which is why I said that they shouldn't have the exact same rights.
Life sentence is better in the long run, causes less pain, wastes less time, less chance of the person getting away (due to the case being thrown out), wastes WAYYYY less money, and there is no chance of innocent people being slaughtered because innocent people are imprisoned more often than I or anyone else knows. I have seen some downright outrageous cases.
It makes no sense to abolish insanity as a legal defense. If you're insane, you didn't have control over what you did. Some people can't even pay to get into institutes. It's like saying you should get rid of "accident" as a reason not to punish someone as if they did something deliberately. Not that insane and accident are even equal... Accident is sometimes more criminal than insane, besides in cases where it could hardly be their fault.
it depends.. if the mother doesn't want to see him, then no... that may be too traumatic for the mother. a child can still know that her future man is not the father though. Same for when a female rapes a man and has a child with him, if the father doesn't want to see the mom, oh well for her. As for custody they should have to pay, if the parent will accept even that, that is. When the child grows up they can be welcome to see the parent. If you want to be in your child's life don't rape to get one...
This isn't about parents. No, I'm not old enough to be diagnosed as a pedophile and I'm not a pedophile anyway. Anyway, one doesn't have to contort anything. One shouldn't make someone think that you can only have relationships with your parent. As for a boyfriend coming home... then they're cheating, if they are in a relationship with their parent. If not, then it's like having an ex-boyfriend be in charge with you and trying to take over who you bring home. Which, I guess, is also bad.
Sure, why not? I know younger who date, and they can be such cute little couples. If they don't date, they'll still have crushes on each other, and many times I can't tell the difference between little children who have crushes on each other and those who say they're dating. So why not? It'll be the same anyway.
