"There is no world hunger or serious lack of resources other than that created by man."
This is nonsensical double-talk. Humans need food...duh...no shit no one is going to be able to change that! The fact that many, many people in the world go without good nutrition is not a problem that can be simply wished away.
"Sure if you visit some city in Asia you will be taken aback by the number of people walking around - but again that is a man-made situation."
Again, more nonsensical double-talk. No shit people having more people is a part of the problem, but again, wishing this problem away with the back of your hand in not helpful at all.
"And no one there is starving either, other than that caused by man and politics"
Baloney...do some research on world hunger before you say something as silly as this.
1. Who ever originally proposed limiting the number of people that families could have either here or elsewhere in the world?? I don't remember reading that from anyone...that's a strawman argument.
2. The USA is not part of the population "problem" on the Earth...so basing solutions on what the USA "might" be able to do is just silly nonsense.
"colonizing the highlands" is a LOT harder than this guy makes it out to be. The extremes of weather at those altitudes is the real reason why people don't live up there currently. You're not going to be able to change that.
"providing energy for 100 billion people" is also no way near as simple as this guy tries to make it. Nuclear power is a dead end if for no other reason than the world will likely be running out of readily available uranium within the next century or less. Truly renewable energy, like the solar power that this guy only briefly mentions unfortunately, is really the only viable way to go in the long-term.
Providing enough food for the world, even today, is a struggle at best. Trying to do simple, pie-in-the-sky hand-waving to wish this problem away is not really useful at all.
I do completely agree with this statement though:
"when women are educated and contraceptives are made available to them, the birth rate plummets."
That's the kind of reform that we need to get if one is really concerned about "over-population".
"since i am aware that they are on display, why would i lie about lying?"
Ummmm, because you've also been proven to be about as ignorant on issue after issue as one person could be...ugh... Truly stupid people don't act logically, as your words & actions (continual lying for one) have shown.
1. Try & run away from all the Right-wing nonsense that you've obviously spouted in this & many other threads. It's not going to work!
"I give to charity... so i can't be greedy and selfish."
LOL...your tax dollars do a lot of the same things that your charity dollars do yanno.
"What, just because they make something a certain way we should just accept it?"
Look, once again, you & many others on the Right-wing would love to change the way that our system works so that only the things that you personally believe in can get "your tax dollars". For the last time, that's NOT how systems of taxation have EVER worked. Tax dollars are pooled together to do the things that our elected representatives feel is in the public good. If you don't like their decisions, then vote them out. That's our fundamental system of govt., and it's NOT going to change to fit your wild imagination.
"Unless you can provide evidence that Jefferson would promote the welfare program"
LOL...it's up to ME to prove that Jefferson was opposed to a welfare system that post-dates him by many, many, many decades?? Look, moron, you trying to claim that one of the Founders is on your side without ANY evidence to support your claims is YOUR problem, not mine!!
"Hundreds of thousands of people in America are on welfare?"
There were 5.5 million people on welfare by the end of 2000.
http://blog.cleveland.com/wideopen/2007/10/welfare_rolls_still_plunging_a.html
There were 1.6 million people on welfare as of September 2008.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562449457235503.html#mod=rss_whats_news_us
"And what you're saying is that welfare deters crime?"
Since the so-called " welfare reform" of the mid-1990s, certain crime rates have been sliding upwards:
"The real issue is that there are people who will trash America no matter what we do - so it is best to do what is in our own interests. And it is not in our best interests to have terrorists in the country when there is a viable location elsewhere."
The Gitmo torture prison was NOT setup in the first place to be a "viable location" to house so-called "dangerous" individuals. It was setup to be a location where the USA could claim that the facility could indefinitely detain any non-U.S.-citizen who was believed to be involved in international terrorism (no judge, no jury, no nothing). The Bush Justice Department even tried to declare that Gitmo was outside U.S. legal jurisdiction & that the "illegal enemy combatants" at Gitmo were not entitled to any of the protections of the Geneva Conventions. Of course, the U.S. Supreme Court had other things to say about those completely bogus decisions.
The fact is that the USA has held many, many actual terrorists (not accused terrorists mind you) in custody for quite some time without ANY of them escaping. Who's afraid of the big, bad wolf? Not I, and neither should you.
"It's different from EVERYONE taking the law into their own hands and EXCEPTIONAL cases."
And who is to decide who are these "EXCEPTIONAL cases"?? The angry mob with pitchforks in their hands that's yelling "String 'em up!"?? I don't think so troll...run along now...
"You've constantly argued about how even the guilty can also be innocent."
Ummmm...riiiight, when did I say that again?? Oh yea, it was never.
Look, it's pretty obvious from a lot of your posts & "conversations" that I've seen on here so far that you're just some troll that's looking to stir the pot for no apparent reason. If you want to openly laugh at the basic concepts that America has stood for, then great...but do it on your own time, troll.
The only thing that an Internet Troll is good for is ignoring. Run along now Mr. fake "Hindu" guy from the "United Kingdom"...
"you have presented ONE case of false execution."
Wrong again, there have been many, many, many more cases that that:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0921-08.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/12/national/12DEAT.html
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/additional-innocence-information#Released
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executed-possibly-innocent
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/causes-wrongful-convictions
"Even if there has only been 1,196 people executed (which I find very unlikely)"
My numbers are correct GOPer...quit denying them!
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/prefurman/all.htm
http://www.txexecutions.org/history.asp
You don't even appear to know the real reasons why TX has had so many executions:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/
LOL...why am I not surprised that you are undaunted by actual facts?? You've already stated above that the real facts of the matter will never change your mind on this issue. Give it up wing-nut...I'm DONE wasting my time with the ignorant likes of you.
"This is a notoriously sketchy study to begin with"
...in your own, completely biased opinion that is.
"I don't care where you got your information, there is no sure way to know."
Thanks for letting us know that the real facts of the issue at hand will ultimately mean nothing to you...so we're done here!
"It just shows that you can't believe the truth that contradicts you."
LMAO! Kettle, meet pot...pot, kettle...LOL...too funny...that irnony will, of course, go right over your head...
"You would have to have no heart and no brain to not torture someone to save your family"
...in your own warped mind that is.
"if you care about your family, why would you let them die?"
My family is not about to "die", moron. Try, just for once, to not make your political decisions from a position of fear, and you'll understand what I am talking about. The entire "ticking bomb scenario" that's going to kill you, your family, and millions of others is based on a LIE from a novel from the 1960s...wake the hell up...
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/
"obviously its not a good long-term strategy, but the government hasn't been torturing people for that long of a period of time"
...as far as you know. I'm not at all naive enough to think that torture hasn't been done by members of the U.S. govt. (or our govt. hasn't spirited people away to countries that allow torture to take place) just in recent memory. Those incidents don't make torture any less illegal, and, as you've already said, it's not an effective long-term strategy, period end of story. Thanks for proving my point, moron.
"you are the one thats defending the terrorists! Im defending the people who torture the terrorists."
LOL...once again, thanks for proving my point. You are defending completely ILLEGAL acts. I am defending the human rights of everyone, period.
"If the government tortures a very select amount of people with ties to a terrorist organization, it doesnt mean that everybody is not safe."
And who, praytell, gets to decide who has "ties to a terrorist organization" or who doesn't?? The government that is doing the torturing in the first place, which is in blatant violation of it's OWN laws, that's who. The entire concept of the rule of law is not something to be tossed away just because a select few people, like you apparently, are afraid of the "boogeyman".
"it was banned because its inhumane, not because its not effective."
LOL...once again, thanks for proving my point, torture IS inhumane, as it goes against the very core of the meaning of human rights. Also, as I've shown you & others in this very thread, it's NOT an effective means of interrogation, hence the reason why the U.S. Army has banned its use long ago.
"obviously it does work"
...despite, of course, all the direct evidence that's been presented to the contrary, win-nut. Ramble on moron...your words truly have no meaning.
"i just finished saying that using torture dozens upon dozens of times works?"
LOL...no, you just finished saying over & over (including above!) that "obviously torture works"...don't try running away from the FACT, liar!
"it was a mistake. They weren't lying."
Sure, sure, and the fact that they were many, many people saying at the time that Iraq had no WMDs & that they had no ties at all with Al-Qaeda or 9/11 was just a coincidence...MORON!
"you never quoted a report filed by the Bush Administration relating to this."
Of course I did, and I even quoted Bush Regime officials that have said the same thing. The fact that you can't bring yourself to admit that you're wrong on this issue means nothing to me.
"when did you prove that i lied?"
LOL...run away liar...run away...it's not working...
"When can i expect the actual end of the story?"
Right now, since you've been completely & thoroughly schooled on this issue, once again, moron. We're DONE talking about it now. You can ramble on & on, but you'll be wasting your time, not mine.
"why would we detain people who we know are innocent?"
That question was answered by me days & days ago, but you'll never admit to that, liar.
"1. Not a right-winger"
Oh yea, you're an "Independent"...with a Nazi icon over a gay pride flag...please...
"I believe they shouldn't."
Of course you don't, since you're simply greedy & selfish, period.
"why do you attack my view points by saying 'you don't get to choose'."
Because that's the REAL issue here, moron! In our system of govt., like it or not, we do NOT get to directly choose how ANY of our tax dollars is used, period!
"The fact that welfare is implemented by the government would upset Jefferson"
...in your own, wild imagination that is.
"Since welfare is a government enacted program that benefits few, it is not seen as a Civil NECESSITY"
...again, in your own biased opinion. The reality is that if some form of welfare didn't exist, then there would be hundreds of thousands of people with absolutely no way to readily support themselves without having to resort to dangerous things, like turn to crime, which effects everyone...either directly or indirectly. That's why some form of welfare is in the public's best interest.
Now, you'll never agree to any of the above, but that won't change the reality of the way things really are. So ramble on wing-nut...I'm DONE wasting my time educating your sorry ass...
"i was definitely telling the truth there"
...in your wildest dreams that is. Your blatant lies are on full display there for all to see, liar.
"I dont see a beat down going on"
...because you are blind to it, which makes it that much more funny...lol...
"If the president is violating 'the Constitution of the United States' then he is a domestic enemy."
Really?? Then why didn't the military take up arms against your buddy GWB?? Illegal torture...wars for no good reason...I could go on & on. The reason? Because that's not the way our system works. The military exists to take orders, not to give them.
As for being dense, you take the cake there Joe...sheesh...
This is one of the most moronic things that you've uttered on here so far, and that's quite an accomplishment for you! I really can't believe that you actually believe some of the things that you type here sometimes. Really, no one is that dumb.
"I hear statements not reasons."
Because you're simply not listening, period. If everyone could take the law into their own hands, then America would become a free-for-all. One could be executed for the most minor thing, like being a moron, like you!
"Isn't that what I JUST SAID?"
No, in fact, you said the exact opposite. All you know about the Old West is from movies...your words, not mine.
"According to you you can never actually know if anybody is ever guilty."
Really?? When did I ever say that? Oh yea, it was never.
"In your book every criminal is potentially an innocent."
LOL...no, moron, in our system of justice, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. When you rant against that concept, you rant against a very basic concept that is at the core of what makes America a great nation.
"Keep in mind that during the last days, Bush Jr. was considering having soldiers protecting the white house."
It's not surprising the GWB was really a coward in the end. His public statements & reactions to that crisis were pitifull. He looked like a scared lil bunny to me.
"Obama has talked about a civil army.... why?"
It's not an "army" at all...just a bunch of volunteers to help out their communities.
"How old are you?"
Probably older than you kiddo.
"The media is to keep people informed and the government in check?"
Yes, the press is what's called the Fourth Estate.
"While all that are enlisted in any armed service, they are sworn to uphold and obey the Constitution of the United States"
...and to follow the lawful orders of their civilian leadership, period.
Agree & well-stated. This group of Right-wing wackos really poses no threat to anyone. They are waaay too small a group to do anything. Most of them will probably just end up in a militia group, like McVeigh & we all know how THAT turned out!
"The military should specifically spell out what constitutes a lawful order and what does not in order to keep the government in check."
That's already been done in many military manuals. "Illegal" orders should not be followed at all. All soldiers should know that by now.
