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I think they are a great party. People are tired of dividing their votes between Conservative and Labor, and the UKIP offers something that the voters like. Truthfully, I wish the Libertarian Party would have the same successes in the US.

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No! Free trade allows international economic competition and allows other countries to import things they need and can't produce themselves. For example, Taiwan. It doesn't have a ton of natural resources like iron or precious metals, so it trades its electronics for those resources.

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Maybe he was. Either way I think Martin jumped on him. Truthfully, I don't know why they are trying to prosecute him. It's obvious it was self-defense, and the defense is tearing a hole through the prosecution's case with ease. All mathematical factors are in favor of the defense as well as both the prosecution's and defense's witnesses.

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I heard from the case that he got out of the car to confirm the street address for the dispatcher, then he got jumped by Martin.

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Where were the French at Saratoga, Bunker Hill, Boston, Crossing the Delaware, Trenton, Detroit, and The Carolina Campaign? Nowhere in sight. They were out in the Atlantic scoodally-pooping with the British navy.

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Maybe so, but all the people would expect the states to comply with the Federal government's decision when they don't need to. They would use this as a weapon.

Scout143(652) Clarified
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Okie dokie. Sounds good to agree that we disagree. Dis-agree. Haha!

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Shouldn't people have the right to decide if they want healthcare or not? I don't liked being forced into it, and being taxed for not wanting to use it. Truthfully, I should be thanked for not wanting to use it! It gives someone else more money for healthcare. Obamacare was supposed to decrease insurance rates (but it actually increased it quite a bit), it violates many beliefs that Christian based companies hold (like Hobby Lobby) by forcing them to provide financially for contraception and abortion, and many doctors don't like having to work under it (hence many states having a shortage of doctors due to them retiring early). The NFL refused to support it, a majority of Americans don't support it, and it financially burdens even more people!

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Federal laws like these attack many religious beliefs of the states population and trounces the right of the state. Let the states decide if they want it or not. People shouldn't force the states into something they don't want.

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But America showed how fast they could mobilize their forces and factories toward the war effort. They could easily defend and turn an invasion. Germany and Japan never had that much power to do it that fast. They had to take around a decade. America did it in less than two years.

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Please tell that to New York, Illinois, Connecticut, and California! They don't allow their citizens to own firearms.

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And all I'm saying is that America would have survived without Britain. But not the other way around.

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It taxes people for not using it (shouldn't that be good? More money for other people? They should be thanked!), forces businesses to provide healthcare, forces religious groups and companies to go against their beliefs (mostly on contraception), and has forced massive rate hikes when Obama said it never would and would actually go down (never happened)! It's failed already before it even starts, people won't endorse it (including the NFL), and should we really trust the IRS with it? Yeah, kill it before it is born (this is the ONE TIME I AGREE WITH ABORTION! Abort Obamacare). They just delayed it a year, so it gives us more time to end it! So do it!

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If there wasn't any country to supourt, the USA would have fallen too.

If they weren't any countries to support, that would mean more supplies for the USA to use.

Germany had almost all Europe to itself, that is a lot of resources.

North America still has a lot more.

If Britian wasn't there, he would have focased completly on Russia.

That's true. And probably could have taken Moscow for that matter.

One of the reasons Hitler didn't invade America, is because Britian was between them both. Germany, along with Japan, would have quite easilly invaded together, both were stronger than the USA, especially Germany.

And I'm saying that they couldn't do it because of the distance between Japan and Europe from America. They wouldn't have been able to support the manpower needed for invasion, plus America was the same militarily of both countries combined in 1945. Naval power and supplies would be stretched thin, and the USA has numerical and technological advantage.

However, another fact was it's strengh. Iceland and Greenland were weak.

Yes, but Canada and the US wouldn't just let them waltz on over via Greenland. They would halt them either in Greenland or in Northern Canada. Use the terrain to their advantage like Russia did.

America's millitary was no where near Germany's.

I beg to differ. By 1945, America had the same number of men that Germany had at its peak, vastly bigger navy and Air Force, plus better technology in certain areas.

Now, as for thin and strong suply lines, remember the U-boats? Also they could just take a lott of suply's with them for a quick invasion of Greenland and Iceland.

You should know this better than anyone that U-Boats did squat in trying to besiege and starve Britain during both World Wars while keeping Germany's open. America's coast line is way bigger than Britain's, plus America's larger navy, would make that impossible.

Now, you must understand my arguement. No doubt was the USA and Russia a major factor, however I am argueing that the United Kingdom was as well

They were during WW2, they were a part of the Big Three. But if things went they way we are discussing, Britain would have put up a good fight, but eventually been steamrolled.

Scout143(652) Clarified
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I'm kind of going for both. I would say that the US would survive if Great Britain was totally annihilated, but if they weren't their help would be nice.

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I said that if America had no part in supporting Britain and Russia, I thought that they would have fallen, I'm not saying it is guaranteed. America was weak in the military sense compared to Germany, but America was superior in material wealth and goods. America had more factories, mines, land for food, and financial wealth. America used this to her advantage by helping out Britain and Russia. Then she later committed troops. Plus Hitler never listened to his Generals, so that helped out the allies a lot.

I know Russia took the most beating from Germany. Really 75% of the war was fought there. They took over 22 million casualties. And you are right, because Germany was facing against 3 World powers it was defeated. However, The reason Germany had an army of 3 million to invade is because, well, Russia was right next door. They were neighbors. America had the Pacific and Atlantic to cross to get anywhere. That usually prevents a lot of invasions. And if America was ever threatened with invasion, they would use that to their advantage. Truthfully, I could never see Britain just surrendering after London falls. They would just high-tail-it to Canada, India, or South Africa and continue fighting. And Canada would have no reason to just give up. They haven't been invaded, or attacked, or lost that many men. If Germany did invade via Greenland, it would be like Russia all over again. Harsh winters, icy terrain (all year round), fighting in a foreign land. Guerrillas. Both the Canadian and American army facing them with more advanced and better weapons than the Russians (except tank wise, the Russians sure knew tanks). Thin and long supply lines. Really, I can't see it. If they did do it, they would have failed.

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I think they could do it with ease because North America is far away from both Europe and Asia (plus Hawaii for that matter). The supply line for an invasion force would need to rely on the navy, which in the pacific and Atlantic is spread very thin. It can easily be broken, therefore cutting off any invasion force that landed. The Americans/Canadians would have a numerical and technological advantage as well as being on home terf on the defensive. The Axis would have never been able to occupy North America.

Naval escorts are a different matter compared to a full-on armada.

Germany wouldn't have any air support because they wouldn't have land based aircraft in range and they didn't have aircraft carriers.

Yeah, I see a whole bunch of Frenchmen and Britons jumping at the chance to join the Nazis and fight America.

I'm not making up numbers. Based on WW2 figures I am making guesses of what could face America. The population of America plus Canada was about 180,000,000 people. The combined armies would entail about 4 million Americans in 1942 and 2.5 million Canadian soldiers. However, by 1945 those numbers went up to 15 million trained soldiers. This shows how much America and Canada could muster up.

The Japanese had about 1.5 million soldiers in 1941 and 5.5 million in 1945. Germany had 15 million soldiers during WW2.

Now comes the technical aspects. Assuming Germany occupied all of Europe, including Britain and Russia, it would need an occupational force. The same goes for Japan in Asia. This takes away from the invasion forces, thus bringing the numbers down. However, I could see the Axis fielding around 12 million men to take on America (though I dont know how they would be able to get them there). Germany would need a very large navy to be able to invade America. In 1942 Germany didn't have a large enough navy to transport several million troops ocross the Atlantic. They could count on the French navy for help, but not Britain. I would have guessed that the British navy would have sunk their ships before capture or sailed them to America or their colonies in Africa and the Carribean. America and Canada had around 1400 naval war ships in 1942. Plus America would have probably wooed the British navy into helping them.

The supply lines for the Axis would have been stretched very thin (as stated before). This leaves them weak. The Ocean has been America's greatest ally for preventing invasions. It wouldn't let them down.

North America also has a rich amount of resources, like oil, coal, minerals, and food producing areas. This makes their supply lines shorter and easier to handle.

From these figures I can see no success for an Axis invasion of North America.

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When they first started, yes. But you can see how fast and how much they produced in such a short amount of time when they did enter the war.

If they invaded the USA from Britain, they would probably have to do it from the Atlantic. Britain is an island, surrounded by the Atlantic. They have an ocean to cross. They wouldn't be able to have land based air support, because they have to cross an ocean.

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The capital burning wasn't a huge defeat. We just rebuilt it (now look at it). And I told you how we benefited from it. It was more of a success than you think.

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Failed miserably? It wasn't because they launched early. The terrain on Omaha had more cliffs and rocky terrain than the other landings where they had a nice beachfront to lounge on. There also were more defenses on Omaha, it actually went better than expected. The commanders thought they would lose way more troops than they did, so it was actually a major success.

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No, the USA wasn't, that's true. However, Germany wouldn't have been able to invade North America because their navy would have had to traverse the entire Atlantic, without much air support (unless they built some carriers), but the air forces of America would be able to knock them out. Once a force set sail, America would have known they were coming, and at the beginning of the war America was already starting to conscript troops, so they would already have a large army. Plus the 200 million armed citizenry. Yamamoto didn't want to invade the US because "there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass". Same reason Germany didn't invade Switzerland immediately, it would cost too much. It would be just like Russia, but with more people in their way.

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Canada would have had no choice. Germany would have made them a target since Canada would still be at war with them, Mexico is iffy, but that's why I said maybe.

Yes, you can cross the Atlantic with boats. But, Germany didn't have a super large navy compared to Japan, and I don't think they had aircraft carriers either. America would be able to just bomb them to oblivion. No German air support, no invasion.

If the Axis had waited, they still wouldn't have been able to. Germany wouldn't have recruited a large amount of soldiers in their occupied territories because having a whole bunch of ticked and angry soldiers would not make a good army. They could field an army of maybe several million. Plus Japan's couple million, against a several million manned army and 200 million plus armed citizenry. Pretty good odds for America.

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The argument was what would happen if America didnt support anyone in WW2. I seriously believe if we hadn't given Britain planes, money, and supplies they would have lost. One of the main factors that helped you win the Battle of Britain was American financial and military support (plus some pilots).

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You can always add layers. You can only take off so much without being arrested.


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