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Well....when you study the history yourself, you learn a lot of things that you don't tend to hear all that much from school. For example, in 1933, the Jews worldwide declared a worldwide boycott on Germany. (this was the year Hitler gained power)

I also learned that Hitler only had invaded Poland in the first place, to protect his Germans in Poland (in former german land called Prussia, which is north Poland), for the Polish were killing them in the most horrific fashion.

Germany called for the UK for help, but the UK refused. So anyway, the treaty that was in place, guaranteed that Britain would go to war with Germany if Germany attacked Poland. So should the war of started because of the attack on Poland? Probably shouldn't of.

But in the end, if Nazi Germany weren't removed, then maybe things would be bad today. But truth is, we'll never really know for sure. We (britain, Russia, USA) won the war, and that's the fact.

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Genesis 6:2: "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Angels do not get married. In fact, in the future when the dead are raised to life, "they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. " Matthew 22:30.

The Sons of God are not angels from heaven. They are in fact God's people/followers. "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:26. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Romans 8:14.

According to the Bible, the people of God married those who were not His followers. (Genesis 6:2)

Just remember though, the world before the flood according to scriptures, was destroyed by the flood. This was because of wickedness.

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God is not evil, "for God is love." 1 John 4:8.

I am in no doubt that God is good. It even says in God's word, that "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16.

So because the Lord did not wish for us to die, Christ chose to die in our place so that we may live with Him in paradise, forevermore.

5 points

Jesus said, that we are to "Do violence to no man" Luke 3:14.

Jesus also said, "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:38-39.

So my friends, show love, even to those that hate you.

4 points

So, you think teaching religion in schools is turning schools into "indoctrination centres"?

Isn't teaching evolution part of a belief system? (supposedly based on facts, but creationist christian's claim to be based on facts also)

So I'm sticking by my view point, sorry.

let's stick to Creationism in Christianity for this time.

The reason athiests don't complain about evolution being taught, is because they believe it could be true - thinking it to be based on facts. Yet, athiests don't complain about it, but complain when another idea pops into the picture, such as what the Bible says.

If you must talk about science, I think, because science is supposed to be open minded, we should teach creationism in our science classes, and also evolution. Anything else, is biased.

The beliefs are both ideas, and interpretations of what is observed. So let us check out both interpretations.

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There are six different meanings of Evolution. Which one do you mean?

The Six Meanings of Evolution

Cosmic evolution: the origin of time, space, and matter from nothing in the “big bang”

Chemical evolution: all elements “evolved” from hydrogen

Stellar evolution: stars and planets formed from gas clouds

Organic evolution: life begins from inanimate matter

Macro-evolution: animals and plants change from one type into another

Micro-evolution: variations form within the “kind”

Only the last one, micro-evolution, has anything to do with real science. For all of human history we have observed variations within the kinds such as 400± varieties of dogs coming from a dog-like ancestor such as a fox or a wolf. Dogs produce dogs and corn produces corn. There may be great variations within the basic kind but that is NOT evidence that dogs and corn are related! Every farmer on planet earth counts on micro-evolution happening as he develops crops or herds best suited for his area, but he also counts on macro-evolution NOT happening. Anything other than minor changes within the kind is not part of science. Evolution as defined as macro-evolution is a religion in every sense of the word. People are welcome to BELIEVE the first five types of evolution, but they are not part of science or common sense.

http://www.drdino.com/six-meanings-of-evolution

2 points

I think Christianity should indeed be taught. Not only Christianity, but other religions, which is including the religion of Macro evolution.

I didn't become a Christian until the last year of school. My school didn't really teach much Christianity at all. Most people at the school, including myself did not know what Christianity was all about. There were assemblies where people spoke about Jesus though, but I never really thought they were very beneficial.

But anyway, I feel everyone should be allowed to learn as many different things as possible in schools. This should also include religion, otherwise there would probably be hardly any chance of people ever becoming aware of what religion actually is. If we are taught religion, it can help us to understand things about certain people's lifestyles, which will probably come in handy at some point. This is my opinion anyway.

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We are going to look at the prophecies of antichrist, to see whether the Catholic Church fulfil any of them. The first one being found in Revelation 13:1.

'And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads.... and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.'

Blasphemy number 1:

The Jews speaking to Jesus, said "For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." John 10:33.

Does the Pope claim to be God on earth?

"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh." Catholic National July 1895.

"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty" ...Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894,

"For thou art the shepherd, thou art the physician, thou art the director, thou art the husbandman, finally thou art another God on earth." Labbe and Cossart's "History of the Councils." Vol. XIV, col. 109

The title "Lord God the Pope" is found within a gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, title 14, chapter 4

In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, "Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam" (Our Lord God the Pope) can be found in column 153. In a Paris edition, they are found in column 140.

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." - Pope Pius V, Quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXII, p218, 'Cities Petrus Bertanous'.

Blasphemy number 2:

They again, speaking of Jesus, said "Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?" Luke 5:21.

Does the Pope have power to forgive Sin?

The Vatican declares : "This judicial authority will even include the power to forgive sin." The Catholic Encyclopedia Vol 12, - article "Pope" page 265

"And God himself is obliged to abide by the judgment of his priest and either not to pardon or to pardon, according as they refuse to give absolution, provided the penitent is capable of it." -Liguori, �Duties and Dignities of the Priest�, p.27

The prophecy has been fulfilled!

Daniel the prophet wrote of a beast that shall come in the last days, and he wrote that:

"...he (the beast) shall.. think to change times and laws:" Daniel 7:25.

The Vatican Declares:

"The pope has the power to change times, to abrogate (change) laws." -Decretal, de Tranlantic Episcop Cap. (The Pope can modify divine Law.) Ferraris Ecclesiastical Dictionary

"The Pope is of great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine Laws."- Lucius Ferraris, Prompia Ribliotheca,

"Papa," art. 2. translated.

Bible says "Keep Holy the Sabbath day" Catholic church says "No, by my divine power, I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep the first day of the week."

History of the Sabbath p802

The Prophecy was fulfilled:

"Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observerance can be defended only on Catholic principles ... From beginning to end of scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from last day of the week to the first."

- Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August 1900

Another prophecy of the Antichrist is below:

Revelation 17:3

'...I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,

...having seven heads'

A woman = a church in prophecy. (See Jeremiah 6:2)

Note: The Christian church is considered the bride of Christ in; Ephesians 5:25-27; 2 Corinthians 11:2 and Revelation 19:7-9, 21:1,2

A Beast = A nation in prophecy. (See Daniel 7:17)

Now the apostle John states that this beast, (Nation) that this woman (Church) is sitting on has seven heads. What do the seven heads represent in prophecy?

In Revelation 17 :9, the angel actually tells John what the seven heads represent.

"The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth."

(Mountain is also defined as hill)

The Prophecy again has been fulfilled!

Catholic Encyclopedia p529

"It is within the city of Rome, called The city on seven hills, that the entire area of vatican state proper is now confined."

In Revelation 17:8, we find 3 prophecies.

'...behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.'

History will show a nation that:

Was in power at one time

Is not in power at one time

Yet is back in power

(remember that the vatican is both a church and state/political power. e.g. Vatican City)

The Vatican was:

"Vigilius...ascended the papal chair (538 A.D.) under the military protection of Belisarius." - History of the Christian Church, Volume 3, p327.

Was Not:

"In 1798 General Berthier made his entrance into Rome, abolished the papal government, and established a secular one." - Encyclopedia Britannica 1941 edition.

Yet is:

"...this morning there was another sovereign independent State in the world. ...Premier Mussolini ...Cardinal Gasparti, ...signed the sovereign independent State of Vatican City into existence." - New York Times, July 7, 1929.

The Prophecy was fulfilled because:

The Vatican

Was a power 538AD - 1798AD

Was not a power 1798AD - 1929AD

Yet is a power since 1929AD

The next prophecy is found here:

Revelation 13:17,18

'...the name of the beast, or the number of his name, ... is the number of a man; and his number is six threescore and six.'

All popes carry the same name/title.

Inscribed on the Pope's Miter is this:

Vicarivs Filii Dei. (Latin for Vicar of the Son of God)

All Pope's carry this title.

The interesting thing about the Latin language is that it is both their Roman alphabet and their Roman numerical system.

Vicarivs = 112 Filii = 53 Dei = 501 = 666

V=5

I=1

C=100

A=0

R=0

I=1

V=5

S=0

F=0

I=1

L=50

I=1

I=1

D=500

E=0

I=1

The prophecy again has been fulfilled!

One more Prophecy is:

Revelation 17:12

"...ten Kings, ...recieve power as kings one hour with the beast."

This says that just before the end, the Vatican shall seperate the world into 10 kingdoms. Have they done this?

"The club had it's beginnings in April of 1968, when leaders from ten different countries gathered in Rome.. The organization claims to have the solutions for world peace and prosperity...

The Club of Rome has been charged with the task of overseeing the regionalisation and unification of the entire world..."

"The Clubs findings and recommendations are published from time to time in special, highly confidential reports, which are sent to the power- elite to be implemented. On 17th September 1973 the Club released one such report, entitled 'Regionalized and Adaptive Model of The Global World System'... The document reveals that the Club has divided the world into ten political / economic regions, which it refers to as 'Kingdoms'."

The world has been quitely seperated into 10 kingdoms.

1 Canada and United States of america

2 European Union - western Europe

3 Japan

4 Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel, Pacific Islands.

5 Eastern Europe

6 Latin America - Mexico, Central and South America.

7 North Africa and Middle East.

8 Central Africa

9 South and Southeast Asia

10 Asia

This is now about 8 prophecies I have shared with you. All 8 have been fulfilled by the Roman Catholic Church.

There was a study on the prophecies in the Bible concerning the Messiah (Jesus the Christ).

If there were only 8 prophecies in the Bible for Jesus to fulfil, this is what is said:

"We find that the chance that any man might have lived down to the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies is 1 in 10 (17th)". That would be one in 100,000,000,000,000,000." by Majorie Lewis Floyed, signs of the end, August 1976, as quoted from Peter Stoner's book "science speaks" Moody Press 1963.

To let you understand the odds in Jesus fulfilling all 8 prophecies, picture the entire state of Texas (263,000 square miles) in 2 feet deep of silver dollars, mix in one red coin into the pile, then blindfold a man, set him anywhere in that state and allow him as much time as he wants to pick up the red coin. This man must be 100% accurate on the very first go, that is how amazing Christian prophecy is. So the same odds must apply to Antichrist as well.

Why have I bothered to share my research on the identity of the Antichrist?

The Mark of the Beast! Because prophecy identifies the Roman Church as the Beast, then obviously the Roman Church must have a mark of authority. What is this mark?

"Sunday is our MARK of authority. . .the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact" Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1,1923.

"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act... And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons.

"It was the Catholic church by the authority of Jesus Christ, which has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic church." - Mgr, Segur Plain Talk about Protestantism of today page 213

What does God say concerning His Seventh Day (Saturday)Sabbath?

"And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God." Ezekiel 20:20.

"It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed." Exodus 31:17.

First of all, we notice that the 4th commandment, is the sign of who we worship. In fact, the 4th commandment is the only Commandment that claims God is the creator of all things (the true God). Exodus 20:11. Satan wants your worship, he wants to be like God. ("I will be like the most High." Isaiah 14:14.) So he makes a false Sabbath (sunday). This sign, or mark is evidence that you either follow God, or Satan. So yes, if the Roman Church is indeed the Antichrist, then SUNDAY Sabbath is in fact the Mark of the Beast. In the past, the Roman Church persecuted those who didn't bow down to the Pope. It may seem unlikely to happen again to us, but because prophecy is so accurate in the Bible, I wouldn't be surprised to see the church go back to it's old ways.

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There are hundreds of Christian Protestant denominations today, and each are claiming to have the correct interpretation of what the Bible says.

The reason there are so many false churches today is because Satan has been working hard to try and confuse the truth, and introduce into Christianity, false teachings.

They are ministering unto us today, "fables", and "turn away their ears from the truth." They despise the truth, and "after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers," for their ears are "itching" to hear what they would prefer to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3-4.

They believe what they are taught to be truth, simply because they believe that what they see and hear from their teachers, appears Godly before them. These false teachers have deceived many into thinking that they are apostles of God!

As the scriptures declare, "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose ends shall be according to their works." 2 Corinthians 11:13-15.

If we are to know what Biblical truth is, we are told to "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15.

It also says that we need to compare scripture with scripture to understand what the Bible truly teaches. "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little." Isaiah 28:10.

Satan has "great wrath" against the people of God, "because he knoweth that he hath but a short time." Revelation 12:12. Satan is at "war with the remnant" church, "which keep the commandments of God," and have the "testimony of Jesus." The testimony of Jesus is according to the angel, "the spirit of prophecy". Revelation 12:17; 19:10.

Jesus said, "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Revelation 2:7.

Who are these people that overcometh?

Scripture declares: "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Revelation 22:14.

The reason that God's people keep God's commandments, is because we are to "Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." Ecclesiastes 12:13-14.

By keeping the commandments of God, does not mean that Christians are saying: "We are saved by our own works." The Scriptures declare "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." Ephesians 2:8.

Paul the apostle also wrote, "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Romans 6:1-2. "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof." "For sin shall not have dominion over you:"

Again Paul asks more important questions: Saying "What then? shall we sin because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" (Based on Romans 6)

To transgress the Law of Jehovah God is sin, "for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4. God's law was written and spoken by Jehovah. The Ten Commandments were written on two stone tablets, on both sides, with the finger of God. The very fact that these commandments are written on stone, more than proves that this Law is going to be kept forever by His People!

Jeremiah the prophet was inspired by God to write about His law being part of the New Covenant that God shall make. He wrote that God said: "I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." Jeremiah 31:33. God did not say that He will make a new law, nor did He say He will alter His law. Instead He said that He will take the Law that currently was in place (the Ten Commandments) and put it in our hearts. So keeping the Ten Commandments is still part of the Christian life.

Jesus our Lord and Saviour told us that it's out of love that we keep the Commandments: "If ye love me, keep my commandments." John 14:15. "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:3.

Since Adam onwards, God's people have been keeping the Ten Commandments. Sadly today, many professing Christians are ignorant towards the truth of scripture. Oh how Satan and his angels rejoice when we are ignorant towards biblical truth! He knows that these Christians have rejected the light that God has given them, and that they shall now receive God's frown. Satan knows that those who continue to transgress God's Holy law, shall not inherit eternal life, for scripture declares: "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." Hebrews 10:26-27. Only they who keep God's commandments and trust in His son Jesus, are considered saints, and shall have the right to the tree of life. (Revelation 14:12; 22:14) No one is saved that is a transgressor of the Law of God.

We must study God's word diligently, and prayerfully. If we do not do this, we are in danger of following false teachings. Satan desires to seperate us from God! He targeted Adam and Eve, and he also targets you and me. We must study to be prepared, for Satan himself can quote scripture to try and deceive people. (Matthew 4:6) Even if it's only reading God's word a few minutes a day, God shall bless you with knowledge and understanding.

I pray that this message has been a blessing to you. God Bless



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