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I've never experienced it, but I find it hard to believe that you could be completely happy while struggling to put food on the table. I feel that the stress of trying to make ends meet would override the happiness. However, it is possible to live happily with money, (and very likely) so I'll take my chances there.

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"Good" and "bad" are both so subjective, it's almost impossible to answer this question.

However, I am on the "Bad" side because I think from the beginning, humans are selfish. We care only for our personal gains. Even when someone dies, we only cry because that person is no longer around to continue fulfilling whatever needs of ours that they were when living. Babies and children need time to develop a moral compass, and they need to be taught what is wrong and right. I think that if we were born good, we wouldn't need to be taught morals and our environment wouldn't impact our personality. But that's just me. Some people would say my argument is more in favor of "Neutral", because everyone has an individual way of thinking about morality.

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In what way? How are we measuring value?

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They should be able to play with whatever kind of toy they want. They shouldn't be forced. Just like girls shouldn't be forced to play with trucks and stuff.

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Of course they are. Well, we shouldn't make sweeping accusations. Not all Christians are hypocrites, just like not all atheists are tolerant. The Christians who judge others without following all the rules themselves are hypocrites, not all christians.

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well I guess I'm considered a girly girl. (my friends call me preppy)

I really hate the assumption that all girly girls are brain-dead though. I love makeup and clothes but I also love reading and school. I have the innocent vibe but I also get annoyed at the stupid kids.

I think it just depends on your style choices, whether you're goth or girly has no impact on your intelligence.

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I feel that the animated animal pornography is a reasonable alternative.

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I have my brain full of information that could still easily keep going with you. We must at least reason on something.

like what?

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Look, at this point, our argument is just going in circles. I'm just going to stop responding now because it's not worth it at all. It's getting pretty boring and repetitive. Thanks for the new outlook on zoophilia, although I still haven't changed my mind.

Have a nice day!

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Then why is there rape.

Because there's exceptions to every rule.

Just because something is hard doesn't mean to give up.

But it doesn't seem worth it. Why legalize it, when it's fine the way it is? Such a small percent of the world is affected..

I am not sure I would then leave it up to the law as to make it work.

But that's the thing, we're debating to see if the law would work. From how I see it, there's really no way to make it work.

Honestly if they didn't like it they wouldn't do it.

How do we know that though? I'm sure that there are plenty of animals that are raped each year.

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If I could I would but I can't.

why not?

Sorry that makes no sense to me either but what I meant to say is that what are zoophilia or beastility so prose to do with there feelings.

(*supposed?) Well, what I meant to say is that it's not that hard to suppress sexual feelings and urges. As a people, we do it every day.

It is not rape because there body movement says it in a way that obviously show they are trying to say yes or no.

Even today, with humans, we have legal issues with whether or not the woman (or man) wanted to have sex. (S)he can even speak english. Animals can't. imagine how hard that would be to sort through.

And also we would not do the act with them if there giving bad body movements. And obviously we would make the law that you have to understand animal body movement before doing the act.

How would you regulate it though? It's all an opinion really, there's no way to tell for sure if the animal liked it.

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It means the good for themselves not the good for there population.

what is good for themselves?

Why because it is wrong to neuter somebody because it's there body and not yours.

Well actually you legally own your pets' body. Of course, there are some lines, such as beasitiality. But spaying and neutering doesn't harm anyone, so it's legal.

What the hell do you think I am talking about

We've had this discussion before. I cannot understand you when you don't use grammar and you can't spell correctly

and yes I mean sex. And it is good because they can have sex to and in joy it.

That's the thing. it's such a fine line. We don't know if they're enjoying it, we don't speak their language. Body language can't tell everything. And this leads back to my point, it's still considered rape.

No it's not

What the hell are you trying to say?! You literally just said "yes it is" in the argument I was responding to. Can you please stop writing in block form? Bold the arguments that you're responding to, and then write your response. It would make it a lot easier for us to understand each other.

and the difference is because they are not under age and can make choices that they can understand.

The average dog is about as intelligent as a 2-3 year old. Do you honestly think that a toddler is capable of making such an advanced decision on whether or not they want to have sex with someone?

There is a difference in to ways for one I am not trying too

That doesn't mean you aren't.

and second they can understand the act of sex but not the act of being neutered.

They don't really understand either of the situations actually. All they know is that their master wants them to do something, and they do it in order to keep him happy.

Do you ever learn anything about animals and human history and it is are fault because we breed them a lot in the old days and now we are trying to fix are population problem on them.

We bred them because they were useful to us. You can't blame humans solely for a population problem. If you left a male and a female dog together (unspayed and un-neutered), they are going to mate. We didn't force them together, it's in their nature to mate with other genders of their species. Once you spay/neuter them, that obsession goes away.

It helps because we want to lower there population but do it in away that wouldn't be that wrong.

You realize that them having sex with you won't make their urge to mate with their own species any less, right? and spaying/neutering them isn't wrong.

Don't be stupid

hahahahaha

and I mean sexual feelings.

Humans can control themselves though. We don't need to spay/neuter ourselves to focus on other things besides sex.

By the logic adult animal don't have the thinking process of a kids.

well, they don't. They aren't as intelligent as humans.

Yes we know there not intelligent as humans and your point is.

my point is, that's why it's considered rape.

So are you saying if I do so would it be then legal.

I mean, at that point I don't think it would matter. The surgery is very rare, only reserved for extreme cases, so I doubt you be able to find somewhere to get it done, just so you can fuck your pet, (which is illegal, complicating matters even more). It also mostly reserved for children, who's brains can handle that. Not only that, it will most likely result in many problems, most of which lead to death. So yeah, if you (and a lot of other people) could find a way to get that surgery, and could come out of it with no handicaps, there's a possibility that the United States might consider altering about that law.

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For real tho, please start forming your arguments the way I do, with the bolded arguments before your responses. It would make it easier for both of us. if you're feeling generous, correct spelling and grammar might help too.

If you don't know how to bold: Put two asterisks right before and after the sentence that you want to bold If you press preview, you can see if it worked.

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Alright, can you please stop putting your arguments in block form? Bolding my arguments and then putting your response will make it a lot easier for me to address your points.

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how are we to survive if we can have sex with them

I think you mean can't and I would just like to remind you, people survive without having sex everyday. I'm a virgin, I'm still alive. There are plenty of other examples.

also answer if it would cause more bad or good.

I think it would ultimately cause more good. If we legalize beastiality, then people will start asking questions regarding other laws, like statutory rape. Not only that, consent is a very hazy area. They cannot speak english, and we cannot speak animal, so how would we know FOR SURE if they agreed or disagreed. If someone rapes an animal, they can easily say that they thought the animals' body language was agreeing to it.

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Well fucking them isn't respect either.

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And you didn't answer my question, how many are there?

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Why? I had nothing to say...

If the countries that it is banned in is a fact, it's not like I can argue with it.

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This is what you are forgetting it's not about the good of the species because it's about the good for them

Honestly, I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say there. For most of this debate I've been able to guess, but this... just... no.

and it's still wrong to nueter/spay them just like it is wrong to do it to a human.

Why? Animals aren't on the same level as humans.

It is good because it helps the animal too and not just yourself.

Are you talking about having sex? How is it good for the animal?

Yes it is. And like I say again statutory rape is different from this.

Yes what is? Yes, statutory rape is different? How is it different?

It's not good because your still taking advantage of them

So? you're taking advantage of them when you have sex with them too.

the only reason why there population is so high like humans is because humans was the fault of overpopulaten and not them.

How is it our fault??

There are many of animals that would try to have sex with humans.

Okay, how does this help with their population?

I think that you should be neutered so you would not have those said feelings.

What feelings?

By the logic adult animal don't have the thinking process of a kids.

well, they don't. They aren't as intelligent as humans.

Adult animals are grown and can make choices for them self just like a stupid adult human.

No they can't. They don't have nearly the same intelligence as adult humans.

Why not answer, is it because I am right.

No. By all means, go cut out half your brain! From what I've seen from you, it's not like you were using it anyway.

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These aren't very good definitions..

You can be a family pet and still be respected.

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I have done many of calculations on so yes I do know how many zoophilia there are.

How many?

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It does matter because you are taking advantage of them.

For the good of their species. How is that any different than taking advantage of them for sex? that's not for the good of any being except yourself.

And it's my own opinion that it is fact true that animals can cosent. Also it would matter to the law because statutory rape and this is different.

No it isn't. You asked "should Zoophilia/Zoosexuality be legal". I'm saying that no, it shouldn't, for the same reasons statutory rape is not legal. Your debate does not ask the question "can animals consent".

There is a parallel and spaying and neutering is healthy and good for humans population and the world.

It is also good for the animal population.

And having sex with them is good because it's helps with the population and there personal sexual feelings.

How does it help with the population?? I'm sure that they do not require having sex with a human to release. (Also, if you spayed/neutered them in the first place, they wouldn't be having those said "sexual feelings")

Just because I have a better grasp on the situation than he does that shouldn't mean for it to be illegal

Well that's why sex with a child is illegal. By that logic, you're saying that a 50 year old should be able to have sex with a 12 year old, if the 12 year old wants it. Both the child and your dog don't fully understand the situation.

and also I can cut my brain apart so we can be at equal level so there would be no taking advantage of.

I'm not even going to dignify that ridiculous statement with a rebuttal.

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The overall number of people with sexually transmitted diseases? or the number of people working in the industry?

And why do you think it would grow? If the STD's in the industry drops, why will the STD's in the world grow?

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Well, I haven't done much research, but I was under the impression that it's already illegal in most of the world?

And do you have any idea how many Zoophiliacs there are in the world? Again, it isn't something I've done research on.

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Are you saying since animals can't consent to being neutered or spayed that we should take advantage.

No, I'm saying they cannot consent to anything, so that point doesn't matter in the first place.

A lot of house pets can easily survive out in the wild

Perhaps, but that's beside the point.

you still have to prove animals can't consent to sex

Well, it's my personal opinion that they cannot. I don't think that's something that you can prove or disprove. My point is that it really doesn't matter if they "consent" or not, their consent doesn't matter in the eyes of the law, because of the same reasons that there are laws against statutory rape.

My point is why not neuter and spay humans or should we stop neutering and spaying and find a cure for animals too.

What?? I think what you're trying to do is find a parallel between having sex with an animal and spaying an animal.. There really isn't one, because spaying and neutering is healthy and good for their population and the world. Having sex with them is not.

The only position I am in is asking for sex not forcing it and he has perfect understanding of it. I am not taking advantage because he has the choice to say no to it.

You still have an advantage. It's nothing you can control. Because of your species, you are smarter and have a better grasp on the situation than he does.

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Yeah! :)

Well, actually, I saw the quote on we heart it. But I'm pretty sure that's where it's originally from!


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