Surely this number should be startling to us and indicate that something is amiss. That something needs to be done

What will people eat?

The question was not about whether it should be, it was whether or not it is

I like the way the title considers Americans to not be people.

It was hell at the beginning, those Ducks be mad tuff son. But you know like everything else I just ate my turds and worked out, in the end I was beating the living shit out of those bastards.

Work away, mein freund.

I've been busy fighting ducks and eating turds.

How is this even a debate?

I suggest a Facebook memorial page, it would be more fitting, this sort of shit only spams up the boards.

Here's a copypaste from the last time I had this debate.

Well, let us just say for arguments sake that he got the boat built, and that he got all the animals on there (simply because these parts have been argued a million times over), this is where the fun begins.

Noah's flood myth states that the Earth was filled to the top of the highest mountain with water. This is an extra 8.8 Kilometers (give or take) above sea level around the entire surface of the Earth, (where this water came from or where it went is another matter we'll have to ignore).

Now, Noah and his rag tag crew are in this Gopher wood boat on top of this unimaginably large body of water, and what do we know about the movement of water?

That's right, it's controlled by the moon's gravitational interplay with the Earth.

If you are in that boat and are near the moon you will find your boat rising up on the sort of wave that would make the Burj al arab look like a canary's tampon and then find yourself being fuck around like only an angry God can manage, probably (because this is magic wood) surfing along towards the bright side of the Earth at a speed reserved for interstellar travel (not that the animals will mind, they love this shit).

But maybe God canceled that, and it didn't happen you say.

OK, so this boat is sitting on top of this body of water, that has basically pushed all of the non water-soluble molecules into this now massively volumetrically reduced and highly pressurised atmosphere, volcanoes will still piss out all manner of nasty shit into this space and it'll go straight into their lungs/on to their skin/ into their food source (whatever that was and what exactly did they drink?)

So, they must have been encased in a bubble of some sort to protect them.

We all know the arguments about the animals on the boat and food sources and yadayadayada. What about the living things that were not on the boat?

Every single aquatic life form would have been completely displaced, this body of water would massively change their habitat and push them so far away from their food source that they would all probably starve, or die in the desalinated or highly salted environment they now found themselves in; add to this the billions of tons of pressure that would be added means that most living things below a certain depth would be crushed to death (including microbes).

Say that all of the above were avoided by our merry sailors, once the water subsided they'd find that there was no plant life at all, and that there was very little oxygen, given that plants don't function very well under miles of brackish water without sunlight or carbon sources, add the algae to this as well.

So, with out plants for them or the herbivores and other omnivores to eat there'd be very little food add to this no potable water and fuck all breathable air and you are in trouble son.

But hey, this is God right? surely he made it so they could survive anything.

That leads to the question; What is the point?

God is omnipotent, surely simply erasing all of the wrong doers would have been easier, or maybe, just maybe, not making the cunts in the first place.

He's also omni-benevolent, but that must mean that benevolence is actually slaughtering every living thing on a planet in a very horrible way, that includes children, the mentally retarded and all of the other living things that were not lucky enough to be selected for the fun boat.

Not at all.

Sure

Simply because it is not liked, it does not mean that is is incorrect.

It is an unacceptable model because it requires too much assumption without any grounding.

If you wish to propose a model that explains something, then you you need to have at least some logical grounding.

I already accepted the premise that God exists in a vain attempt to engage you in a debate which I thought you'd not result to the same "it is because I say it is" method of persuasion.

I realise now that that was wrong.

Occam's Razor defeats itself.

How exactly

I don't really care for the fast and furious series, and I never said wow, what actor in anything I saw him in.

It's not that I don't like him, he just doesn't enter my sphere of thought.

The debate titles don't allow us to answer the question.

Anyway, MEH

So nobody can change?

How is this an acceptable model?

It is requiring way too many assumptions, Occam would not be proud.

an evil being cannot do that which is above him.

So nothing can change?

You take care of your kids, because you think it's the moral action to take, so you would still be emitting selfish love.

You must not have kids.

As this debate is entitled A""hierarchy of good" is proof of a good God."

I'm going to go with the assumption that we are arguing as though a god does exist and that we are trying to work out whether or not that it is actually good.

Your entire premise rests on the fact that because there is a scale of good, that the top of the scale (also it's creator), must be good.

What you fail to include is that the scale contains both ends, and there is no way of weighing either, what's to say that God isn't on the other end of the scale.

In fact evil acts have far more impact then good and they happen far more often, so it would seem that if God created all, then the very fact that there is more evil than good, or that it has more impact on our lives would lead to the inference that God was evil and not really in control of everything.

Have kids, then you'll know.

Go to a church and point this at the priest as he speaks, also works when sat on a bible. This is the only scientifically accurate way of telling if God is real.

I may not be in the Klu Kux Klan, but I'm a wizard under a sheet.

Anywho, welcome to the world of racial stereotyping, it's a world full bigoted, privileged, ignorance.

Just look at countries that have no Black communities, the city I'm from, Limerick in Ireland has still only a very small black community, and guess what.

We still have youth problems and it's propagated by white youths, that are from "disadvantaged" areas, so before you point the finger at an entire race, think about the circumstances that these people find themselves in.

Things like free healthcare and social welfare tend to engender the sort of listless, work-shy ethic that predominates in these places, if you grow up watching people not work and still get on in life, then that's what you'll think is normal and will not have respect for organised society, because you haven't needed it as a survival tool.

You'll then end up resenting it, simply because it's rules differ from yours and stand in the way of what you want to do.

Life becomes cheap when you don't assign a value to it, overcrowding and poverty tend to compound this fact, and that adds up to the sort of environment where the toughest survive, and one thing the tough need to do, is assert their toughness.

The only reason I'm on this side, is because I'm sure that Black youths are a problem, but they are not alone.

Logical, smart and well able to construct a dispute, not on much anyomore, but one of the best there was, even amongst the old school.

This, cause I'm an...

Just did, it was amazeballs. I had to strain the spuds after it.

Favourite lines:

"Thy cheeks are comely with rows of jewels" must be talking about pearls.

Or "thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon"

Or "O that thou wert as my brother, that sucked the breasts of my mother"

I nearly exploded at that point.

Who says that?

1 Corinthians 6:9 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Who says that any of those things that you have listed are in any way good?

Me

The Bible forbids fornication, unless it is between a man and his wife. Also, the bible does not clearly define Sodomy, therefore, forbidding it is absolute.

Secondly, lustful thoughts are a sin, which means porn is a sin, and that's also good.

Beat me to it.