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So you clearly feel as though you are entitled to a good life at the expense of others It's not the job of your bankers, or employers to make your way through life. That is your responsibility no one is forced to default on their mortgage. They may have to change their lifestyle or work harder than they want but ultimately it will be their choice to do what it takes to keep their home or to just keep doing what they are doing and fail. This the kind of mindset that instills the parasitic behavior of socialists

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First Hitler gassing Jews is a completely different topic and one that you may find very unexpectedly disturbing if you researched it to it's fullest extent. hint (more fiction than truth)

The modern education system and society have convince you in a socialist manner that you need to be in debt, False, I have been in debt for 15 years of my 54 when I bought my home. It is the only loan I have ever needed. It was my choice to go into debt and I paid it off responsibly. All of my other needs I worked for and lived within a budget as I do now.

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Wrong, in capitalism you are not forced to purchase anything you don't wish to purchase. So if you go into debt by purchasing things on credit you should be responsible for paying it back and the people willing to lend you their wealth need some incentive to lend it to you interest is that incentive.

What makes you think socialism is not a form of slavery you are forced to pay for things which you may not use like health care and furthered education.

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Socialism creates poverty, and a lack of incentive to be productive. This creates the drug abusers who are not productive in socialist economies there is no need for them to be productive. Drug dealers are exempt from the socialist economics as an illegal activity the government is not stealing their wealth. Dealing drugs is only a crime because the Government is heavily involved in big pharma where they make money from drugs and they don't want competition.

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Can you give examples of places where this takes place? This is one of the difference between theoretical vs practical. In theory good when actually implemented doesn't work do to the nature of humans.

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Again I say Capitalism is the lack of government involvement in business. You are clearly indicating what is true about the socialist part of our economic situation. As as in all socialist economies big business is entwined in government interchangeable you might say.

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Capitalism is an economic system without government intervention Socialism is the control of business by government. So when you are discussing the "capitalist state" as you call it you are discussing the socialist end of our economic atmosphere. The further we go down the socialist rabbit hole the more of this you will see.

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So in your world you would have theft as a legal practice? There would be no need to contribute to your own wealth you would just take it. What happens when all of the contributors exit the horrible world which you have created so that they could keep the wealth that they earned?

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Socialism only works in small groups like a family where the supporting members voluntarily contribute to the group wealth. This is done because the supporting members feel an obligation to care for the non contributing members.

If socialism contributions are involuntary (this is theft) this creates an atmosphere of dissent. This is where socialism fails because the contributors and non-contributors are essentially equal. Why would you want to be a contributor?

In capitalism your worth is determined by your contribution and with ambition you can achieve any reasonable desired wealth. If you offer no contribution it is your choice but you should not expect others to support you.

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When you have 1,000,000 dollars and you decide to lend it out to make money you can set your own rate on lending. You can lend it to the poor at 12% and hopefully it works out for you. My guess is that it won't. You will most likely lose on some of your investments. If you lend it to the wealthy they will either pay it back or you will take it using the law out of their wealth (which they have being wealthy) It's not a matter of fair it's just reality. The thing about reality and truth is that it's not always fair.

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The USSR and now the Ukraine, and Russia are not capitalist economies and have the same drug problems. Capitalism is not the cause of drug abuse. I would argue that most drug addicted people are not the people who are ambitious and aspire to live a good life.

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You mention war as being the product of capitalism but again war is the product of government. Socialist economies also welcome war more so than capitalist economies. War to government (socialist) accomplishes a number of important functions. Population decrease which = better economy. The need for materials of war = better economy. Unifies the statist nationalism and pride which = obedience. Capitalist societies can benefit from war but don't need it. Politicians who invest in war related industries like Dick Cheney and countless other politicians are the real problem

smilinbobs(598) Clarified
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you should study more about political relationships with big business and banking. We are socialist enough now that the politicians are big business and politicians are the banking industry. The politicians are big oil and big Pharma. research it you will be amazed. That is the socialist end of things in the USA. In capitalism government is not suppose to control business the free market is. That is not what we have.

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Again with prisons, capitalism is not the problem with the prison system it is government. The US government is the largest organized illegal drug syndicate in the world. This was confirmed with the 80's cocaine trade Barry Seals, the Iran Contra case, ect. Now it's the Opium trade (hence the reason we invaded Afghanistan) If you look at the UN poppy production stats you will see that in 2000-2001 the Taliban had burned the poppy fields and threatened the poppy farmers. The US military was sent in to protect the existing poppy fields and now poppy production is at an all time high. If you keep up on current events you would know there is a heroin epidemic. The US government also has a war on drugs so they can use the prison industrial complex to cash in on more money. For politicians it's a win win. Capitalism is not the problem there it's government.

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I happen to know a great deal about healthcare as I work in healthcare. Here are some truths that you can fact check if you doubt my word. Health care is so costly because of government not capitalism. Healthcare is so over regulated that it cost a fortune to meet all of the government imposed criteria. An example of this is the fact that 20 years ago health insurance premiums were a small percentage of the current cost. Our hospital to meet all of the regulatory requirements employs about 800 people to take care of an average 30 patients daily. The government keeps requiring all kinds of positions where people are checking on the people who are checking on the other people. None of these people have anything to do with the health of the patient. They send inspection teams annually to find minor deficiencies then they fine the hospital for each of them. Better yet they are normally things which have been the same way for many years without issue and cost thousands to fix. Our most recent was the replacement of many fully functional doors at the cost of $180,000 plus 11,000 in fines. These are why health care is in the state it is in. Then the governments solution is not to have public owned hospitals and reduce regulation. The government answer is to make it more costly then steal more tax money to give to the insurance companies (Banking institutions) along with increasing the cost of health insurance for all.

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First I clearly stated capitalism in the USA because Kenya and Bangladesh are not in the USA they are irrelevant to the discussion. I was born into poverty but you are wrong about ambition and learning not being a major factor in your outcome. They are what will determine your outcome in a capitalist society. My mom is proof of that, she had me at 16 years old. She was single with two children at 18 (poor choices) She dropped out of school and worked two min wage jobs to pay the bills. Once us children were out of the house she furthered her education went to work for a securities company and now has financial security a nice house in NY and one in Florida. (ambition was the determining factor)

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Who do you think caused the economic collapse of 2008? It was government and it's rulers that is why the taxpayers gave them 800 billion dollars.

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They are chosen outcomes. everyone has choices in life not all of our choices are good but they are ours. I come from poverty and I have chosen to live at a certain income level, stress level, location, in a certain type of relationship, ect. I could have chosen drugs, public assistance, homelessness, ect. People have to stop blaming everyone and everything else and be responsible for your own destiny.

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So if you create something and are profiting off of your creation you are okay with politicians stealing the wealth you have earned as long as they give some back to the masses? It is not good enough that you created something which employs others giving them wealth because they have chosen to work for you? Are you a parasite that instead of creating and contributing to your own prosperity you need to steal it from others? If you choose to work for someone who is gaining something from your labors and that bothers you then why would you not just create wealth in a different way? You should be thankful for those who create jobs not to punish them by stealing their wealth.

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So let's use transportation as an example of wealth. Some of us have low wealth transportation and have to fix it regularly to get back and forth to work,doctor, shopping, ect. Some have higher wealth transport which is new every couple of years. Others travel great distances on a regular basis requiring huge wealth for transport in socialism can everyone have a new car and fly around the world when ever they need. This socialism thing sounds great if that is the case I would love to travel the world with out a care knowing that socialism will take care of it.

smilinbobs(598) Clarified
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That explains why socialism only works in fairy tales. Living in the human realm there is no way to make it work

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So in your imaginary system what is the chain of custody for the wealth? You have my attention

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As an atheist I think there would be nothing better than an in depth study of the Abrahamic religions from a historical and ideological stance. The more people who actually knew what the religious texts said the fewer religious people there would be. Just reading the Bible is normally cures christianity.

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Your response makes no sense, with socialism or partial socialism like we have now. The government takes money from the citizens then uses that money in what ever manner they decide. This leads to corruption so politicians use their power and our money to conspire with wealthy bankers and business owner to control markets and prosper greatly. without the government interfering with business. The businesses remain competitive and innovation or ambition can bring great wealth. In socialist systems it's more about politics.


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