I went to the Creation Museum, it was very professionally made and truly amazing.

Ken Ham the Bible man.....................KEN-KEN-KEN-KEN- KEN-KEN-KEN

I hate injustice, I don't think that is a waste of time.........................................

How can Christianity be evil when you can't define evil without Christianity? What is evil?

Do you know what a mutation is? Do you know what a gene is? A gene is a coded message telling a cell how to make proteins, a mutation is when the RNA copying the DNA makes a mistake. Now do you want to dispute the facts? See how unreasonable you are? Common sense tells us that over time the DNA would become so currupted that the organism would eventually die (hence your car's death)

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"He has no evidence that Jews have to be eradicated. All he cared about was his own genocidal preferences"

When did evidence enter the discussion? This isn't a science debate, it's a moral debate. Hitler would probably disagree with you by the way, so who is right? You or Hitler? I can see you have absolutely no good justification for killing children, so you are in the same boat.

"Welfare belongs to our privilages as a citizen of the country."

I'm just going to stop this part of the convo because it's totally irrelevant to the discussion. (By the way, welfare is a farely new thing, people have survived without it for a loooooooooooooooong time)

"A fetus is a Human but a Human isn't a fetus. Thats the difference between their definitions"

That makes absolutely no sense. I could just as easily say "you are a human but a human isn't you". If it's a human, it automatically deserves LIFE!

"The truth was never good to look at. It is better to choose the disgusting solutions than to ignore the problem"

Maybe the problem is better then the solution, because it seems to me your just making things worse by killing the future's engineers, scientists, doctors, and so on.

"So whats your point?"

My point is you can't just pick on the weak, defenceless babies in the womb when trying to solve a problem. If your going to kill unloved people, you have to take it to the logical conclusion and kill all of them or none of them. Not just the ones that can't speak for themselves. This is what makes abortion so horrible; it bullies the most vulnerable people on earth.

"Because we lack the funds to take care of every single unwanted child. And to make it worse, we do not even know what to do to them after they grew up"

They will go into society just like the rest of us, besides all of this still falls short of justifying the murder of innocent children.

"Call me anyway you want. The facts will remain strong- we are not ready to abolish it."

No, the facts are that murder is a crime, killing unborn babies is murder, no matter what your 'facts' are, killing innocent people is NEVER justified.

"But the mother has the right to decide what she wants with her body"

It's not her body, she has no right to the life of an innocent just because she doesn't want to look after it. It's someone elses body and she has blood on her hands for squashing that life out of existence.

" No single criminal has ever committed a crime without any reason. Every single one of them has a story to tell, ranging from simple acts of anger into minds broken by a past of constant abuse "

I would disagree but even if this is the case, its irrelevant. You are responsible for your actions. If you kill another human being intentionally, you have forfeited your own life. Following your logic, Hitler can't be blamed for what he did because he had a reason to kill those Jews. The killer is not the victim, the killed is. If you steal something, you can give money back, but you can't give a life back so it is just to have yours taken to.

"And by the way, have you ever heard that ever since Abortion was legalized, crime rate has decreased by about 40% in just 17 years. All because the birthrate of unwanted children has been decreased"

Again irrelevant and untrue, there have been 50 million more homicides in the US since 1973, it's called abortion.

'the 100% figure is absolutely incorrect. Not all mutations result in a loss of genetic material.'

I guarantee, if you have a machine copying a book and it makes 100 copying mistakes, 100 of them are going to be a lose of literary material.

die car, you have waaaay to many mutations to be of use to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, for the same reason you consider a 3 year old bundle of cells a child, why does age make a difference?

Again, it depends on your definition of 'gods'. When a Christian says "there is only one God" we mean only one all powerful deity. However, the word אֵל in hebrew doesn't always mean a deity, but something or someone held up in esteem or of a high rank. So different types of gods? Yes and no. Yes, there are other people or things in the Bible labeled אֵל. No, there are no other deities, the Bible makes it very clear.

"Hitler has no excuse for his genocide. But we do have a reason for allowing abortion"

That is EXACTLY what he would have said.

"Then how can you make them want to do it?"

Irrelevant but a good start would be taking away their welfare.

"If it was done to people who did nothing wrong, its called crime. If its done to criminals, its called "execution". If its done to fetus, its called "abortion""

Wait...your being a little inconsistent here. Earlier you said a 'fetus' is a human being. A fetus did nothing wrong. So why isn't it called crime?

"Murder has always been a solution to economic problems. Gladiator fights to decrease the population in prisons, slavery to solve shortage in manpower, and abortion to decrease overpopulation and crime."

That is a sick way of looking at society. Have you no value for human life?

1. "Being poor wont make you a criminal." Niether will being unloved, but both of them increase the chances.

2. "Kids that were abused are sent to proper government centers where they are mended." Why can't we do that for the unborn?

3. "We can kill a fetus because the society it has no capability to speak for its own. Blame the society for its cruelty" DON'T BLAME ME, BLAME SOCIETY. You are soceity, as am I, and if you support it in it's slaughter of innocent humans, you have just as much blood on your hands and any abortion killer.

"A baby is someone guilty of being born. Theres no difference, a murder is a murder. If you support Capital Punishment , why cant you support abortion?"

Being born isn't a crime, God created each one of them in their mother's womb, I support Capital Punishment because it's justice, life for life, abortion isn't justice, it's murder.

"AND, for the 99 bad changes, the car will reject the change and go back to where it was"

One small problem with that...your car is dead and can't evolve anymore.

"Its a necessary evil"

It's still Murder, this is another Hitler excuse.

"Thats cool but why not search for statistics of how many people are currently unemployed because of the lack of demand for manpower"

One of the reasons this is so is because there are many jobs that people don't want to do. Don't believe me? Where I live they import people from other countries to work at fishing plants because no one wants that job. In any case, this is still not an excuse for murder.

"Yes. And its called "Euthanasia" or "Lethal Injection""

So I guess you wouldn't have a problem with someone coming over to your house in the middle of the night and giving you or your loved ones a lethal injection?

"The Fetus has all the rights as a human being but the world isnt ready to give it"

This is irrelevant. Murder should not be a solution to economic or social problems. If it is, then we should also kill people with disabilities since they don't contribute to society.

"So, are you saying that black folks has poor nurturing skills?

You will need to support that with scientific facts"

I'm not saying anything about black people. I love black people. Some of my best friends are black. I'm talking aobut specific neighbourhoods that happen to have a high black population. According to your standard, we should go into poor neighbourhoods and kill the people there because they will likely join gangs and become criminals. That is a fact. Oh, and we should also go into homes where kids are being abused and kill the kids so they don't become criminals one day. This is where your logic leads. If we can kill a 5 month pre-born child who might be abused, why can't we kill a 5 year old who is being abused?

"So can I say to slaughter houses as animal abuse"

No, they aren't human so it isn't murder and they aren't being tourchered so it isn't abuse.

"and capital punishments as murder. But in the end, the world isnt ready to abandon this evils"

Capital punishment isn't murder. Murder is taking the life of an innocent, but someone guilty of taking life should be ready to have his own taken. You shouldn't be able to buy someones life with time from your own. It's a matter of justice; life for life. Babies, on the other hand, haven't murdered anyone so they don't deserve capital punishment.

"I have read the whole chapter. Either you think it's appropriate for people such as yourself to think of yourselves as gods since you have been adopted, or you think the word "gods" in this verse was meant as god's (possessive). Which is it?"

Neither, I'm saying that believers are referred to as 'gods' not because they are divine, but because they are adopted by divinity.

"Murder is wrong"

I wonder how an atheist can make that statement, wrong according to whom?

"but it is still a question of whether abortion is murder."

Last time I checked, killing an innocent person is murder.

"and the system came up with a solution-abortion"

This is the same excuse Hitler made. This is MURDER. you said so yourself and I just proved that the world is not over populated. THERE ARE FARMERS BEING PAID TO NOT GROW FOOD! This is not an excuse for the murder of the innocent,

"They cant go outside because there are no jobs there either."

I don't live in a city and I have a job.

"A fetus feels nothing. It is a living human but without any capabilities to feel pain, it is humane to kill it that let it live as an unwanted child"

So it's ok to kill people in their sleep? They can't feel pain. Or maybe poison them because it's painless. Murder isn't wrong because it hurts, its wrong because you are taking the life of another human being when you have no right to. Besides at certain stages of abortion they can feel pain. If you watch the video "The Silent Scream" on youtube it shows a video of a baby being aborted and actually attempting to swim away from the tube that suckes that baby's head off. Now with that said, is it human to kill a 1 year old unwanted child?

"There is no scientific facts that supports black people as a gene for being a criminal.But there is a fact that says all criminals were once abused children"

It is a fact that if you grow up in a poor, black community (has nothing to do with genes, but how you're raised) you are more likely to get in a gang, do drugs and get involved in crime.

And no, not ALL criminals were abused as children.

"He had no scientific explanation for his genocide. I do"

I don't care if you do, it's still a genocide and there is blood on your hands for supporting it. This has nothing to do with science, it is simple morality.

"I didn't say that fish are people - just that they are very similar in many respects "

And all I'm saying is that this is irrelevent since I can use the same argument to back up my position.

"I can't believe I have to explain this. If the mutation rate is not 100% harmful, it is possible for mutations to cause new genes to be created."

I find this statement funny. It's like saying "For every problem I fix on my car, I create 99 more problems, therefore my car is someday going to be a supercar because I'm fixing it!"

To say "no" is a logical fallacy, so pretty much anyone who answers 'no' shouldn't be using this website.

"Too bad so sad. You've missed your chance."

Says who? If she could kill you in the womb why not now? Why would killing you now be wrong?

I'm a guy for one thing.

And I don't need to explain why murder is wrong, I think it's pretty obvious.

But what if the mother changed her mind and wants to abort you now? Why is it wrong?

"Proof that there wasn't a creator. Thanks for proving our point."

This is exactly what I'm talking about, the argument can go both ways, therefore it's completely irrelevant to the discussion.

lol I can't believe I have to explain this to you. THINK! If the harmful mutation rate is over 50% which it overwhelmingly is, that means species are de-evolving because the genes are becoming more corrupt. If your doing more harm then good eventually you will destroy it!

"NUKED!"

Squirt gun.