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There are those who support the claim that their is no life after death making the idea of spiritual beings an illusion well if that is so I have a link to one of many paranormal events of course we can feel people have spent there time and money setting up and damaging their own property just to fool us a number of different people have experienced what they call paranormal events and all these people around the world are spending money just to fool you?

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For those who seem to feel there is no difference between man and animal which brings the question why is there even a label recognizing man and animal?

If there those of us who subscribe to this idea that animal and man are equal then I have to say we as humans have clearly done animals and injustice, a significant injustice and that we have captured them, we have caged them, we have experimented on them, we have paraded them in zoos, we have hunted them.

We have denied them citizenship, we have refused to educate them in our prestigious schools.

Clearly with all of these atrocities directed at animals who are equal to man these animals need to be paid reparation. These animals need to be allowed to have drivers license, these animals need to be given citizenship, allowed to vote and choose which communities they want to reside in.

We animals have allowed the horrific treatment of animals to go on far too long so frankly it's time we pay the piper!

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It seems to me after what I've read neither title fits.

At the website I'm not sure I agree with this statement "Animals cannot talk or communicate with each other"

For me however the biggest different I find is animals can't conceptualize. Even the winged animals can fly with grace, ease and accuracy if you could communicate with them I doubt they could understand the principles behind a turbine engine.

If one could sit down with group of lions would they be able to grasp the concept of a universe?

Supporting Evidence: Animal verses Human (www.differencebetween.net)
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Whether you can buy it or not he is The Only One That Can Explain His Actions. If some guy rapes a woman Is She Suppose To Be Able To Explain The Reasoning behind the Rapist actions?

As I understand the bible Adam for sure was just an experiment God wanted to see if his creation would listen and obey him or go their own way. WELL we got the answer to that question and little seems to have changed since that day.

Of course it's just my opinion but I'm under the belief the Bible didn't record every second out of everyday so as shocking as it may seem mankind just may not have been given all the answers.

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As hard as it is to believe I also don't believe one should force their beliefs on others which include those that don't believe in faith base concepts. Your statement " Live and let live is a good way to put it" really isn't how most times in America we don't live that way. Children have to worry they can't play outside for maybe being kidnapped. Females have to worry if they can reach their car before being attacked. Store clerks wonder will this customer be the one to harm them and more of these condition citizens have to deal with regularly here in America.

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What AlofRI said makes sense to me unfortunately I'm going One Step Beyond. I believe we have gotten America to the point where it's people no longer know what they want anymore. We say that rap music is bad for you but we have businesses supporting rap music. We have pumped ups people's chest by saying "Stand Your Ground" so now everyone's packing cold steel just waiting for you to look at them funny. The number of brutal confrontations on videotape seems to be endless. It would also appear that we have no problem showing our racial bias on city buses, fast food restaurants or out in the street which we identify as road rage. The idea that one can believe in nothing makes them a good person if however you believe in something you're a bad person.

Of course if you don't believe this "Go Ahead, Make My Day!"

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I believe power corrupts because we are all the same in that we have similar likes, similar fears. Some people may be corrupt but not all people act on treating others as if they now are superior.

Consider the following scenario:

you enter an expensive department store but people barely notice you in the store and when they service you their attitude is blasé. One day you are a proud winner of the lottery and were talking big bucks. If you return to that same department store will your attitude still be the same as accepting that sort of treatment?

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SatintLater I'm presuming the following words of yours is for me.

"none of that is racism. if anything it's cultural resistance to integration, the exact same thing that BLM are fighting for in the modern day. we've tried to integrate and now they fear that they cannot be blacks and that their "Lifestyle" their "Culture" is being torn away."

James Byrd Jr. (May 2, 1949 – June 7, 1998) was an African-American who was murdered by three men, of whom at least two were white supremacists, in Jasper, Texas, on June 7, 1998. Shawn Berry, Lawrence Russell Brewer, and John King

[ "none of that is racism" ]

New York City cop, who had ... 70th Precinct where he rammed a broken piece of a broom into his rectum. .... a stick up Mr. Louima's rectum and asked him if he wanted to see i

[ "none of that is racism" ]

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Title: White Men Killing Random black people (Captured)

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SeekTV1 month ago

its so funny to watch black people getting killed, i dont know why people dont think the same

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SeekTV15 hours ago

+James Fleming of course we are, niggers are all criminals and dumb animals

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anon 731 month ago

playing cowboys and niggers is all :)

[ "none of that is racism" ]

It appears to me that someone should know what they're saying before they say it.

The following statement "we've tried to integrate " is rather pathetic to say the least because that statement implied that an effort was made to extend a hand to minorities when in fact it took a constant battle in the court rooms to force people to give African-Americans some of the same privileges and rights that they have been denied for hundreds of years. The We Tried, applies only to a minute Number of White Americans!

The question becomes where are our the Black fathers? Have you tried looking in the White jails, The White prisons most assuredly will find a number of those Black fathers with some sort of ridiculous charge in those White Prisons.

For someone to save to A Black person that you are merely perceived as living in a racist culture is someone that absolutely does not know what the heck they're talking about!

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I can't really comment of how India is govern per se as I've not spent much time studying them. I do have a good understanding how males, men think and men have a hard time sharing power or turning over control especially without an ugly battle haven't taken place.

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Maybe it's just me but it seem to me "This site has many people who want someone else to take care of them" This idea is how America operates.

The Rich Expects The Not So Rich To Keep Buying What They're Selling So They Can Stay Rich.

Agencies looking for donations for the poor are looking for others to keep suppling them with donations.

Companies, factories are looking for people to show up and work so the companies can stay in business.

We created this system so what's the complaining about?

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I believe only God can answer that question. Let us not forget that when Adam and Eve disobeyed God all mankind was destined for Hell but it could be that maybe God expected Adam and Eve to die out and that would have been the end of humanity. The idea of incest most certainly occurred frequently especially for those in power so that they can keep the wealth in the family. That practice of incest still exists today.

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I agree with "Better that ten guilty go free than one innocent party suffer?" Except however I do not believe the American legal system is doing that. The fact that we have overzealous prosecutors, judges behind the bench administering their own justice. A bogged down legal system where people are spending more time in jail waiting for trial than actually getting that fair and speedy trial.

A light is being shined on the relationship between the legal system and law enforcement on the streets where the system convicts the citizens and exonerate those law enforcement officers who are clearly shown to be at fault.

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I do not see it as one or the other "Is There Meaning or Is Meaning What You Make It?" Both are true. For those of us who had a normal childhood perhaps we can remember when our parents told some of us don't hang out with a certain group of people but of course we didn't listen and so along with everyone else in that group were standing alongside them as the police questions us regarding some crime.

If for example one is a boxer in a ring boxing and not sure they're going to make it to the end or at the bell we began to think about what our coach has taught us and told us so we dig deep and battle on!

Your second paragraph clearly illustrates how meaning is what we make it.

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There is a word which we use called maturity and if one is mature then they understand the difference between being responsible and being irresponsible. Can we not as adults find it quite easy to take advantage of young children? They aren't even under the influence of any kind of barbiturates but we could tell them to run this bag of drugs across the street.

When we take advantage of someone who is at that point in time this advantage would we accept the same treatment done to us? How about entering into a financial contract where the person who drew up the contract doesn't let you know that the percentage you'll be paying back will balloon to three times as much down the road, is that fair because you did sign the contract?

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If we look at the dictionary one of the meaning of moral that in and of itself illustrate what good moral character should be.

Moral:

holding or manifesting high principles for proper conduct:

If we accept the Judeo-Christian perspective of morals then it is clear their faith says that vengeance should take a backseat to morality.

Matthew 5:44

English Standard Version

But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

One of the hardest things in life to do is being moral simply because we have created a world that seems to focus and worships the self.

wisegrip(132) Clarified
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Jesus and or God didn't write the bible but as I understand it inspired man to write it bible one either believes the the bible or Don't.

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John 14:11

English Standard Version

Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.

John 14:3

English Standard Version

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.

John 14:2 King James Version (KJV)

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

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This was very clever. It forced a smile on my face. You know how to capture attention.

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I find this Mike Riley presents an interesting interpretation of biblical scripture relating to Sin Nature. I'm not sure how much I go along with his interpretation but he is just a sample of what he said:

Are We Born With A Sin Nature?

By Mike Riley

Filed under Bible Lessons

According to some of our religious friends, the text in Ephesians 2:3 is supposed to teach that babies are born with a “sin nature” or a “sinful nature” and that they are under the wrath of God because of that nature. But isn’t it a monstrous and a blasphemous dogma to say that God is angry with any of his creatures for possessing the nature with which He created them? (Genesis 1:26-27). Never! God is not angry with men for possessing the nature He has given them, but only for the “perversion” of that nature (Ecclesiastes 7:29 – note the word “inventions” – KJV or “schemes” – NIV). The Bible represents God as angry with men for their wicked deeds (John 3:19), and not for the nature with which they are born.

It is true the Bible says hate the sin and not the sinner I personally believe that this Mr. Riley is like so many other people in making the assumption that God is nothing but love. If God in my opinion is nothing but love then would he not have forgiven Adam and Eve for eating from the tree of life? If God was nothing but love would he have not flooded the world leaving only a handful of people alive? If God was nothing but love with there ever be a Hell?

My understanding of the birth of Jesus had to be done the way it was done because anyone born by the same process humans give birth Jesus himself would be under the condemnation of God and so if we are not born with the sin nature then Jesus should have been able to have been born by a human mother and human father. I believe we have a sin nature because it is corrupt and because of that sin nature harmony eludes us.

John 8:44

New Living Translation

For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Supporting Evidence: Sin Nature by Mike Riley (gewatkins.net)
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You have a point. I guess a little of both is true. If we look back at history we find kings and Pharaohs married their own relatives to keep the wealth in the family and today as in England royalty is expected to marry royalty.

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To be honest I don't know if we should go to Mars. I do however ask myself the question could we make our world better than it has been with all the billions of dollars we are sinking into the space program. Could we use that money to further educate people here on planet Earth in an effort to eliminate the status quote of greed. I was encouraged by a program called the Genesis Project which had vast new innovative ways to look at the future and future technology here on earth for example growing food on top of skyscraper buildings across the country which would cut down on the cost of transferring the same foods from farms to cities and that was only one of the many ideas that I thought was viable for the upcoming future.

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Yes I can agree with much of what you are saying. It's sad that people can't live their life in peace but have to deal with stranger's hangups thereby effecting the lives of even those near by.

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I'm not making a defense for renting but i was under the wrong impress about trying to own a home because their is also a lot of money that goes into the up keep of a home. Neighbors that don't control their kids were at my house jumping over my gate until it barely stood up on it's own. Strangers visiting neighbors park in front of my house with car stereo going. Yes I did move Nothing changed just the faces. I never realized how much I could hate mowing my lawns it was like another unpaid job. Time is the enemy and now you have to replace the garage door rails if you still want to park inside. Pull out 2 weeds there will 5 more tomorrow.

Renting has it's problems to so here I am [ Who You Gonna Call? ]

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Thank you.

I wish I could share your outlook but I've been involved with humans too long to know what they will do and feel justified in doing wrong so especially modern man.

But Thanks again.


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