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I believe him he's hallucinating
Debate Score:169
Arguments:188
Total Votes:177
Ended:08/10/13
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20/20 interview Dr. Alexander

I believe him

Side Score: 85
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he's hallucinating

Side Score: 84

I am interested in what he has to say.

Side: I believe him
3 points

He is an academic expert who became an atheist because of his skeptic attitude. It takes more than simple hallucination to convert such a man

Side: I believe him
Intangible(4934) Disputed
1 point

Not if he is truly convinced it wasn't a hallucination. An hallucination to that extremity could cause anyone to believe. There's no evidence there to point out it wasn't a hallucination.

Side: he's hallucinating
Centifolia(1319) Disputed
2 points

It was mentioned in the video:

With his brain damage, it is impossible to have a visual imagery. Also, it said so that he was brain dead. Hence, hallucinations is an impossibility

Side: I believe him
1 point

But the part of the brain that would have produced the hallucination showed no activity.

Side: I believe him
Stryker(849) Disputed
1 point

Whatever it was there is still no reason to believe it was anything supernatural.

Side: he's hallucinating
2 points

Why not? I get your skepticism, but at what point would you consider something supernatural as a possible explanation .

Side: I believe him
Centifolia(1319) Disputed
2 points

Prove to me that it isn't supernatural

Side: I believe him
4 points

I didn't watch the video, but I've seen an interview with him before. Didn't he say he died and went to heaven? From what I remember, the Bible says nobody has gone to heaven yet. They must wait until "Judgement day"... so he's contradicting his own religion.

Side: he's hallucinating
2 points

In the interview it sounds like he started out as an atheist, or at the very least agnostic.

Side: I believe him
GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
1 point

But now he's a Christian. He apparently doesn't realize that his "experience" contradicts Christian beliefs.

Side: he's hallucinating
Centifolia(1319) Disputed
2 points

This isnt a biblical debate. But im sure that you get that the point that his video is to merely say that the afterlife exists and he came from it

Side: I believe him
GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
2 points

Yeah, I understand that... but you do realize he is now a Christian despite the fact that his experience contradicts Christian beliefs? He also never died. He went into a coma.

Side: he's hallucinating
1 point

There is a temporary heaven. This does not contradict Christianty at all.

Side: I believe him
GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
1 point

A temporary heaven? Show me a verse in the Bible that mentions this.

Side: he's hallucinating
2 points

I have bacterial meningitis and I have experienced something like this. (It happened about 3 months ago)

Except it was a demonic screaming at me "You're going to die tomorrow!".(Most likely because I was having thoughts that I was going to die)

Which forced me out of the semi conscious state were I thought I was going to die.

Because it scared the sht out of me...or the life back into me...which ever you prefer :)

When I "came back" the immense pain was still there, but I got over it the next day. And I'm still alive today sooo.

In the end it's just a hallucination controlled by your DMT and other chemicals in your brain which control vividness and imagination.

The bacterial meningitis must have been having some effect on his brain chemicals.

He must of also been feeling really great during this moment to make him feel like it was real. serotonin

I would also like to add that your brain contains the same chemical in shrooms. shrooms just forcefully trigger the chemicals to cause the hallucination/vivid reality. (just giving you an idea.)

Side: he's hallucinating
wardogninja(1789) Clarified
1 point

I can't say it isn't possible, but wouldn't that show up in his brain activity, which was apparently null.

Side: I believe him
Intangible(4934) Clarified
1 point

So those devices are 100% accurate?

Side: I believe him
1 point

Yeah... not much more to add.

Side: he's hallucinating
1 point

He says that his "guide" is this girl. Should it be Jesus who is guiding you and not that girl? See a lot of people who have this near death experiences and say they saw Heaven or of some sort they always say that the first thing they see is a loved one or some other person but not Jesus.

Jesus is the one who is suppose to be your guide because He is the one who created Heaven and He should be the one speaking to you and not anybody else.

Side: he's hallucinating
Delta(1348) Disputed
2 points

Wait then who's god? .

Side: I believe him
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

What do you mean who's God?

Side: he's hallucinating
1 point

Well not every miracle has to do with a visitation from Jesus. In life, he encouraged his own followers to carry on his message, so why wouldn't let them continue giving the same guidance in the afterlife.

Side: I believe him
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

Don't you think that Jesus should be the one approaching you when you get into heaven? And not somebody else?

Side: he's hallucinating
Centifolia(1319) Disputed
1 point

I question. What is your proof that it is supposed to be like that?

Side: I believe him
1 point

Read revelation. You will notice that Jesus will be at the gate. Not a female.

Side: he's hallucinating
1 point

Come on Srom! You're a mega-Christian, you should know that nobody is in Heaven yet.

Side: he's hallucinating
1 point

I think you need to read the bible more. If you just read Genesis you would know that Enoch is in the heaven I spoke of.

Side: I believe him
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

Actually there is people in heaven right now and its only those people who believe in Jesus Christ that can get into heaven. When Christ comes back to establish His kingdom on this earth the heaven is getting moved.

Side: I believe him
Warjin(1577) Disputed
1 point

How do you know what Jesus looks like, in the 300 versions of the bibles those books have Jesus looking 50 different ways, some say a white guy with blond hair blue eyes, others say Jesus was a black man with an afro, and some say he looked arabic?

Also wouldn't a God like man called Jesus be able to be seen as anyone or thing, even an animal if need be?

Side: I believe him

I seen the same things except I had LSD in my system...........

Side: he's hallucinating

When your mind is weak like that, it doesn't matter what you know the hallucination will be stronger.

Side: he's hallucinating
Centifolia(1319) Disputed
1 point

It was mentioned on his wiki page that he developed an illness so severe a hallucination shouldnt have happened in the first place

Side: I believe him
Quocalimar(6470) Disputed
1 point

You're missing the point. Science doesn't know everything about the brain. Things that we think we know, can be almost completely tossed out the window with a new discovery. What that man having hallucinations even though they said he shouldn't have has told me is that we have a new discovery and the brain is capable of more.

Side: he's hallucinating

It was most likely DMT release, this is a very common things. A few seconds while under the influence of a high amount of DMT may feel like months or years. Even if it wasn't, it is still not proof of anything supernatural.

Side: he's hallucinating
Centifolia(1319) Disputed
1 point

Dr. Eben is a neurologist with years of experience. If theres anything that isnt supernatural in his case, he would be the first to know about.

He even left this explanation:

"If you would have asked me before my coma, How much will someone who is in coma for a week with a severe bacterial meningitis -- so severe that the sugar level ... around my brain, normally around 60-80 and in a bad meningitis maybe down to 20; in my case it went down to 1 -- to me, that's just one piece of evidence of how severe this was. If you'd ask me how much would that patient remember, I'd say nothing," he said. "They wouldn't remember a single thing. ...The severity of the meningitis would have prevented dreams, hallucinations, confabulations, because those things all require a fairly coordinated amount of cortex."

Which proves that his vision did not came from his brain. I wonder where

Side: I believe him
1 point

Actually, no, it doesn't prove anything really. I suggest you do some research on DMT, even if he only dreamt or hallucinated for a few seconds it would have seemed like years, especially the amount that is released in these kind of situations. Also, I thought this was common sense but apparently it isn't, just because you can't get a definitive answer on why something happened doesn't mean that the magic spaghetti monster was involved.

Side: he's hallucinating
1 point

Something that contradicts the Bible cannot be proof of a Biblical Heaven.

Side: he's hallucinating
Centifolia(1319) Disputed
1 point

But he is a living proof of an afterlife

Side: I believe him