74% of Americans Support Voter ID Laws: Do You?
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Being conservative means supporting the status quo. If the majority is on this side, then that's the status quo. Besides, I want to disenfranchise the poor, the old, students, and minorities, those who are more likely to vote democratic. We don't need another 4 years of Obama ;) Side: Yes
The poor find a way to get ID for welfare and Medicaid. The old find a way to get ID for Social Security & Medicare. Students find a way to get ID for school & financial aid. Every citizen in this country of voting age has the means to obtain and present ID in order to vote; anyone who says otherwise is a liar. The only people voter ID laws will disenfranchise are the morally corrupt who vote "for" their friends & relatives, (living or dead) and a handful of the illegals who registered using fake ID to vote. Side: Yes
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The Republican National Lawyers Association found something like 320 cases of vote fraud total in every single election every year for the past ten years. Not a single one was found in Pennsylvania and they reported that Voter ID laws would do NOTHING to help the problem even IF it existed. This is just the right playing political games to suppress voting rights of demographics that vote democratic. On top of this, right-wing districts are given longer early voting periods while left-wing districts have early voting shortened. Then special additional voting times are given to groups that vote republican like military families. It's shameful, cowardly, and EXACTLY what I would expect from the right. Side: No
This is just the right playing political games to suppress voting rights of demographics that vote democratic. Really? Why do you think its liberals that are less likely to have an ID? In this argument, you went on a rant about how the left is so much wealthier than the right. Changing your position? Side: Yes
Facts aren't opinions. I base my opinions of of facts: http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/ You thought you caught a contradiction, huh? Nice try, though. Side: No
I think as people learn what they entail, and that they've been enacted almost exclusively by Republican governors in swing States, they'll change their mind about them. It's not an attempt to eliminate voter fraud at all, which if that were a problem would be fine, they are an attempt to disenfranchise the poor, the old, students, and minorities, those more likely to vote democratic. Like, you have a better chance of being struck by lightning and eaten by a shark in the same year than running into a case of voter fraud. Guess they realize they can't win fairly. I mean, after all the republican dogma of more for the wealthy and less for everyone else is totally more important than living in a democracy >< (That last part's sarcasm) Side: No
Polling. Statistics. Past voting records. This. Republicans enacting these laws aren't even pretending it's for any legitimate reason while in front of supporters. If you read the other link I gave you you will see there are 0 reasons for these laws. The only result of them is going to be less people who have every right under every law of the constitution to vote, being denied that right. It's disenfranchisement. It's stifling democracy for the sole purpose of a political agenda. To think otherwise is willful ignorance at best. Side: No
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I'm going to be honest and plead ignorance. My impression of the laws is that they are designed to make it harder for people vote, in effect disenfranchising voters. But I have honestly delved too far into the meat of the laws. If they are designed to assure that everyone is verified (not dead people voting, etc.), then I can kind of see that. I also have to be honest in that I'm so jaded and disillusioned with the process as a whole in this country that I don't think it really matters. Whoever gets elected is already in the pocket books of very wealthy people. OUr elected officials do not bend to our will. They bend to the checks of those who put them there. For as long as I can remember, we've had this really bitter election every four years in this country. And it's a bunch of third grade nonsense really. In my view Republicans and Democrats are just alike. It's like Coke and Pepsi. And in the end, the wealthy people are going to win out. And what you and I think really doesn't matter. It's like Stalin said. Those who casts the votes determine nothing. Those who count the votes determine everything. I knew you all think it matters. I know you blame Obama for not turning the economy around. We realists never thought that he could. And, conversely, I know you think that Romney can get us back on track. More power to him. But I look for him to be as big of a failure. It really doesn't matter. Side: No
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