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I can't really say it is a problem at all. It really depends on the child/person. If the child is unhappy, then yes it is a problem to their lives. I notice i have OCD and it is a problem to my life because i hate the feeling of it.
it is not a bullshit excuse because it is a chemical imbalance in the body, how ever it is not a serious problem because it is some what fixable with medication
Personally I think when people say that ADHD is a bull shit excuse, i think THAT'S bull shit. ADHD is a chemical imbalance in the brain. I myself am diagnosed with it, and actually know the struggle of trying to sit in school for six hours and trying to pay attention. Which is why most children with the disorder have there biggest troubles in school. So until you have lived a day with the disorder I dont ever want to hear how it is a Bull Shit excuse again.
Alot of the people on here don't really seem to know what their talking about. I have ADD and I know it exists thank you. However, it isn't a serious problem because when Im on medicene I feel an extreme difference. The problem is the side affects. But anyway its sort of annoying going on here and seeing people calling something that I have to deal with every day an exuse. I study longer than anyone else and can't make as good of grades as them. and that is frustrating. I can't catch onto things easily, I get distracted by noises and have to ask people to repeat things over and over, I forget what I'm supposed to be doing, I zone out. some people label me as an idiot. so if you don't know what its like to have this disorder, you shouldn't act like you do. It is NOT just a behaviour problem. and thats all ya'll are focusing on.
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No one had ADD, ADHD, hyperactivity, etc., etc. 40 years ago.
Know why? Because there was no drug for it.
You were told to shut up, sit down, and pay attention in class.
Were there kids that would get up and wander around? Sure, I was one of them. Did I have ADD? No. I was bored shitless because I had a brain and had already read 2 chapters ahead in the textbook and it was boring to see Dennis Gilbert struggle with the word, "ball". That's the same reason kids today want to get up and run around. They're bored. And just like me, they need their little ass beat, and be told to "shut up, sit down, and pay attention."
My niece is one of those diagnosed as bipolar and now on lifetime meds.
We used to just be called moody, horny, angst ridden adolescents and everyone accepted that you would just grow out of it. Now, they get a "pill" and an excuse.
So you go round critisizing your niece who has to go through a serious condition, and their relatives telling them that they are stupid. You guys are evil.
In my first year of senior school we had a case where this kid screamed his head off during IT, embarresing himself, later his excuse for this behaviour was: i have ADHD.
I suspect that governments perpetuate the lie that ADHD is a legitimate mental illness as part of their grand design on total control. Or perhaps on a lesser scale to silence unruly children, by means of the administration of a potent behavioural control drug known as Methylphenidate.
I do not think it is a "bullshit excuse" and some people really DO have adhd. BUT many times it is used as an excuse to "calm kids down" who dont really have a problem, just unruley or need attention. ((Not all though))
I think it's both. In some cases it's too much sugar, not enough exercise, or just plain bad parenting, but there's always going to be the odd case that is genuine.
And if you do, do you have it? Can you attest to the exclusivity of the symptoms? Videlicet, can you verify that short attention span, attention seeking and mood swings are not symptoms commonly encountered in pubescent children?
Videlicet, can you verify that short attention span, attention seeking and mood swings are not symptoms commonly encountered in pubescent children?
I agree that these symptoms are commonly encountered in pubescent children. However, note that these are also found in full grown adults as well as very little children.
The issue is not so much about the alleged existence or non-existence of ADHD/ADD but rather about the true impact of the disorder on the individual everyday life. Perhaps it may be true that the disorder per say cannot be proven by for example say a lab analysis but we can very well demonstrate the effects on the individual: the child inability to learn, the adult difficulty in say keeping his assignments.
Certainly we may deny the existence of the disorder due to perhaps lack of direct physical proof, but surely we could not reasonably deny the existence of the impacts on the person actual everyday life.
I agree that these symptoms are commonly encountered in pubescent children. However, note that these are also found in full grown adults as well as very little children.
If we use that as a basis upon which to label something a syndrome, we could call any variation of personality a syndrome.
The issue is not so much about the alleged existence or non-existence of ADHD/ADD but rather about the true impact of the disorder on the individual everyday life.
Sir, with the greatest of respect, the issue is whether it exists. Please refer to the title of the debate.
Perhaps it may be true that the disorder per say cannot be proven by for example say a lab analysis but we can very well demonstrate the effects on the individual: the child inability to learn, the adult difficulty in say keeping his assignments.
If it can't be proven, we can't show that is has any effects. What you have described are therefore traits, not symptoms.
Certainly we may deny the existence of the disorder due to perhaps lack of direct physical proof, but surely we could not reasonably deny the existence of the impacts on the person actual everyday life.
If we can't prove the existence of a syndrome, we cannot reasonably assume that any particular trait is an effect of that syndrome.
If we use that as a basis upon which to label something a syndrome, we could call any variation of personality a syndrome.
This argument actually almost stands.
The difference stands first in the “effects”. If the variation of personality negatively impacts the person in his/her everyday life, then the variation of personality may be upgraded to a syndrome.
The second part is about the control over the said variation. The person with the variation of personality is not able to control his variation of personality to successfully cope with every day life.
Sir, with the greatest of respect, the issue is whether it exists. Please refer to the title of the debate.
Pardon me, Sir. I was not clear. It should not be the issue.
If it can't be proven, we can't show that is has any effects. What you have described are therefore traits, not symptoms.
The question of proving the existence is actually an interesting one.
As side question to you: what sort of proof would you expect to demonstrate the existence of intangible things such “a thought”, “jealousy”, ”learning process”?
There are several approaches that can be used. We can use observations, deductions, analysis...
One can say “ if I can see it ,then it exists”. We know this can’t always constitute a proof (for example, a mirage).
One can say “if I can’t touch it or measure it, it does not exists”. Then, how do we prove the existence of intangible things like “charisma” and human emotions?
These things do exist (at least the vast majority of us human agree that they do). Yet the only real way that their existence is demonstrated is through their “tangible” effects, through analysis, statistics, deduction.
In fact, this is the way scientific discovery is made. The proof is reasonably achieved through the process of observing the effects, noting the correlations, the similarities, gathering statistics, note the negative impacts etc…
If we can't prove the existence of a syndrome, we cannot reasonably assume that any particular trait is an effect of that syndrome.
No, we cannot.
However, if we can note a series of abnormal behaviors in an individual, we can prove the existence of a syndrome.
If the variation of personality negatively impacts the person in his/her everyday life, then the variation of personality may be upgraded to a syndrome.
The problem with this notion is that nobody's personality is such as entirely benefits them. I, for example, have an unmercifully short temper. Thus your definition would, again, label everybody a sufferer of some syndrome or other.
The second part is about the control over the said variation. The person with the variation of personality is not able to control his variation of personality to successfully cope with every day life.
Case example: homosexuality. Not a syndrome, uncontrollable, and in many cases has been detrimental to the person in question's wellbeing.
As side question to you: what sort of proof would you expect to demonstrate the existence of intangible things such “a thought”, “jealousy”, ”learning process”?
The existence of intangible things cannot, by definition, be incontrovertibly proven.
...In fact, this is the way scientific discovery is made.
I am not an idiot, sir.
The proof is reasonably achieved through the process of observing the effects, noting the correlations, the similarities, gathering statistics, note the negative impacts etc…
I shall employ an analogy:
The universe exists. It is observable and, unless one is a metaphysical nihilist, provable. This is your trait (low attention span, boisterousness and what have you).
To say that this universe was created by a benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient God is to invent a means by which an effect may be achieved and to justify the existence of this means by exhibiting the effects it was designed to have.
The same for your syndrome. You have observed traits which may exist independently (viz, a feckless pacifist, a studious rogue et cetera) without being symptoms of a syndrome and inferred that cases in which they occur together (viz, feckless rogues et alia) must be the malefaction of a syndrome.
The problem with this notion is that nobody's personality is such as entirely benefits them. I, for example, have an unmercifully short temper. Thus your definition would, again, label everybody a sufferer of some syndrome or other.
Of course, I agree with you there that nobody‘s personality is such that they only get benefits out of it. That is not to say though that some people do not suffer greater impact, measurable, quantifiable tangible effects of the syndrome in question. Here the amount does matter.
Let us talk about short temper sufferers, since you brought it up. If the temper tantrum is such that the sufferer is not able to learn, if he is truly struggling to be a productive citizen, if he becomes danger for himself or for others, if he is losing control …hum … granted that we cannot prove that his syndrome exists but we damn well know that something is not right. Surely he may consider getting some temper tantrum therapy, maybe some medicine to address the non-existent syndrome.
Case example: homosexuality. Not a syndrome, uncontrollable, and in many cases has been detrimental to the person in question's wellbeing.
Indeed, homosexuality is not a syndrome. However, homosexuality is not a good example. Homosexuality is not harmful to the person’s wellbeing. Society is making it difficult for homosexuals to live peacefully.
The existence of intangible things cannot, by definition, be incontrovertibly proven.
This calls for clarifications:
1) What definition of intangible are you referring to?
2) I beg to differ. There are intangibles that can be proven.
I am not an idiot, sir.
I apologize. You are far from being an idiot, monsieur.
The universe exists. It is observable and, unless one is a metaphysical nihilist, provable. This is your trait (low attention span, boisterousness and what have you). To say that this universe was created by a benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient God is to invent a means by which an effect may be achieved and to justify the existence of this means by exhibiting the effects it was designed to have.
Ouf… Monsieur Enigmatic… Here also your analogy is not correctly used. The God deduction is a long shot and sort of… parachutée. The fact that the universe exists cannot be used for a proof of God but on the other hand the gathering of a certain number of scientific experiments, measurements, observations, will bring a reasonable amount of proof that the Universe does exist.
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The characteristic behaviors of a spectrum disorder (like ADD, Autism, schizophrenia…) occur to a “lesser degree” in the general population. There is a point when the behavior is not normal; it then qualifies as a disorder.
I do agree that everyone (especially children) has short attention spans. Some people are antisocial; it is part of their personality. Everyone, due to stress and fatigue, sometimes has paranoid moments or disordered thinking. I agree.
What about the people whose paranoid moments are extreme to a point that it controls their lives? These people have delusions. Hence, they could start believing that others are conspiring against and mean to harm them. This type of thinking could lead to dangerous actions. Sometimes their disordered thinking prevents them from having a simple conversation with family and friends because no one understands them.
What about the people who are extremely antisocial? They tend to misbehave. All children misbehave though. Yes, but the difference between an autistic child and non-autistic child is for example the great challenge of comprehension and explaining to them that certain behaviors are not acceptable. They do not understand why. It is not people they are stupid. The most certainly are not. It is not because they are insolent little children whose parents did not raise them well. They are incapable of understanding certain things that most of us can.
The same applies to children and adults with ADD/ADHD. Their attention span is shorter than the norm. You can tell a child with ADD to pay attention. He will try but he can’t.
If the temper tantrum is such that the sufferer is not able to learn, if he is truly struggling to be a productive citizen
I find it very odd that learning always comes into this. perhaps it is the result of the recent societal emphasis on education, but I don't think that is an appropriate measure of whether one is suffering from a syndrome or not. Some people simply do not fit into academic environments, and to say that every human should is rather strange, as widespread attendance is a relatively recent phenomenon.
Persons who are identified as having attention deficit hyperactivity disorder are usually old enough to speak. If they can learn a language through osmosis, they clearly have the ability to actually learn, so the variable is probably environment.
As an analogy, consider people who are remarkably bright, but cannot abide the tedium of physical labour. As far as I am aware, there is no proposed syndrome to explain an inability to perform repetitive, physically difficult tasks with enthusiasm and full attention, so why is there one explaining an inability to do so with academic tasks?
Homosexuality is not harmful to the person’s wellbeing. Society is making it difficult for homosexuals to live peacefully.
In both cases, the harm is external, the result of behaviour and attitude.
What definition of intangible are you referring to?
Things with no physical manifestation, either in matter or energy; something with no observable effects.
The fact that the universe exists cannot be used for a proof of God but on the other hand the gathering of a certain number of scientific experiments, measurements, observations, will bring a reasonable amount of proof that the Universe does exist
I think you missed the point, sir. Essentially, a trait cannot be used as evidence of a syndrome. The analogy simply meant that an effect does not directly prove any particular explanation of the cause.
There is a point when the behavior is not normal; it then qualifies as a disorder.
That is a dubious definition. We must remember that we are labelling a particular behavioural set as a medical illness, which is an inference supported by absolutely no medical science whatsoever. Nobody has yet measured any chemical imbalance of the brain which would result in this behaviour, and yet it is purported to be a neurobiological condition.
Between six and seven million children in the United States alone receive methylphenidate or some other amphetamine every day, often with terrible side effects.
What about the people whose paranoid moments are extreme to a point that it controls their lives?
Then they clearly have a problem, but it is a psychological one, usually the result of trauma. A medical illness can be treated with a course of a particular medicine, after which the condition (except when the condition is genetic, for obvious reasons), but these disorders are usually treated with sedatives or insulin, which alters the sugar concentration of one's blood, thus naturally combating agitation.
The practical difference psychological disorders and medical illnesses is that the former cannot be cured through medical means, like polio or influenza et cetera. For some reason, however, and I suspect it may have something to do with money, we continue to treat behaviour with drugs.
I know two people that get medicated for that disorder but it's bullshit! There's nothing wrong with them except their parents are never around and they've never receive any discipline at all! A lot of people just need to chill the fuck out... it doesn't mean they have ADHD! Are you that ignorant and full of shit?
