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Should A 10 Year Old Girl Who Was Raped Be Forced To Have That Baby?

Mike Huckabee today on CNN's "State of the Union" says he agrees with Paraguay for denying a 10 year old girl who was raped by her stepfather an abortion.

 

Do you think a 10 year old rape victim should be forced to give birth to a baby?

 

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Side Score: 15
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Side Score: 39
2 points

Well yes, I know the fact that if a 10 year old got raped is a terrible thing to happen, although I'm against babies getting aborted in any way it's not its fault, and I also think she doesn't have to obviouslykeep that baby for a start she's 10 years old and she also got raped over it .-. But I say babies should not get aborted anyway..

Side: Yes
Jace(5222) Disputed
3 points

The ten year old child also did not choose to be in this situation anymore than the fetus which might become a viable baby and survive birth. Upon what basis do you value the well-being and life of the fetus/baby over that of the child? Because in forcing the child to go through with a highly dangerous pregnancy that her body has not fully developed to support you are doing precisely that.

Side: No
2 points

You realize that forcing a ten year old to have a child has a extremely real chance of permanently ruining her body and her life, right?

Side: No
2 points

Don't you realize that her life was already ruined by the rape, so keep ruining her life over and over again. That way the number of people who have their life ruined stays at a minimum. We all know that limiting sufereing is not important, limiting the number of people who are suffering is the goal.

Side: No
2 points

What Real Logic is saying that, the girl should not abort but maybe give the child to a childcare or maybe a loving couple who wanna have kids but they can't.. He does not agree on aborting but at the same time, he agrees that the girl should not be responsible for the child

Side: No
skyfish(276) Disputed
2 points

BZZZZZZZZTT!!!

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wrong answer.

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forcing a 10yro girl to do anything except go to sleep while the doctor makes her better.... is just MORE RAPE.

Side: No
Jace(5222) Clarified
4 points

No, actually, it is not "MORE RAPE". Argue that it is problematic all you like; I would contend an abortion should have been permitted myself. But stop referring to something that is not sexual assault as rape; it is not only inaccurate, but damaging to the your own advocacy and even offensive to survivors.

Side: Yes
2 points

This is the intellect of Liberals and Democrats. The values of a human life is based on it's circumstances. In the Democrat's world, a human life is only valuable and deserving the right to life, when it's life does not get in the way of another's feelings.

You see, in the Democrat's world, a human life does not deserve protecting if it has a criminal for a father. The Baby's life life has no value if the mother does not want to carry it to term and have someone else adopt the child.

The compassion of Democrats is beyond inhuman. They play God and will decide if you are deserving of a future. They say some depression of the mother is more important than the Baby's life! Sick twisted thinking!

The Left loves bringing up these extreme rare cases of rape pregnancy. They also love never talking about how the raped woman can go down to the hospital and prevent any chance of conception.

But don't let that stop their pro abortion rhetoric. They do it to try to excuse the vast vast millions of aborted Babies purely for birth control reasons. Hardly ever life of mother or rape or incest pregnancy.

Side: Yes
Cartman(18192) Disputed
3 points

This is the intellect of Liberals and Democrats. The values of a human life is based on it's circumstances.

You believe that too. Does the human life work hard? Yes, that human life deserves happiness. No, that human life is not worthy.

You see, in the Democrat's world, a human life does not deserve protecting if it has a criminal for a father.

You are the one against families without a father. It is hard to be around for the kid when you are in jail.

The Left loves bringing up these extreme rare cases of rape pregnancy.

It is a good way to show that you crazy religious fucks are full of shit.

They also love never talking about how the raped woman can go down to the hospital and prevent any chance of conception.

There is a small window to do this.

Side: No
KOMfs(35) Clarified
3 points

life has always been qualified. Actuaries regularly quantify the value of life. The denial of insurance due to a pre-existing condition is based on this idea.

It is only thanks to obamacare that a person can get insurance without being considered less for having a pre-existing position.

Side: Yes
FromWithin(8241) Clarified
2 points

The Democrat party could have easily handled the pre-existing illness issue without this hideous controlling mandate of Obamacare. Then the American people might have supported it but as we all know Obamacare was not supported by the American people(even in Ted kennedy's home state they spoke out against it).

But of course our extremist Liberal president spit in the people's face and forced it through without one GOP vote.

I wll never thank our liar and chief for bankrupting this nation and forcing a hideous healthcare plan down the throats of the middle class who can in no way afford it. Sure, as always it's great for those who do not PAY! As always the Democrat party is the socialist party.

Side: Yes
2 points

This is the intellect of Liberals and Democrats. The values of a human life is based on it's circumstances. In the Democrat's world, a human life is only valuable and deserving the right to life, when it's life does not get in the way of another's feelings.

As you have been told many times, people who support this generally do not consider the fetus a living human. Why do you continue to lie about the people you disagree with?

You see, in the Democrat's world, a human life does not deserve protecting if it has a criminal for a father. The Baby's life life has no value if the mother does not want to carry it to term and have someone else adopt the child.

And another lie.

The compassion of Democrats is beyond inhuman. They play God and will decide if you are deserving of a future. They say some depression of the mother is more important than the Baby's life! Sick twisted thinking!

And another.

They also love never talking about how the raped woman can go down to the hospital and prevent any chance of conception.

How could a 10 year old girl do that, exactly?

But don't let that stop their pro abortion rhetoric. They do it to try to excuse the vast vast millions of aborted Babies purely for birth control reasons. Hardly ever life of mother or rape or incest pregnancy.

Indeed, which is why we need to make very real strives to stop said abortions in a very real, practical way. This is why we need vastly improved sexual education and improved access to birth control, as those are the only legitimate means that have been proven to decrease things such as teen pregnancy or unwanted pregnancies. What we can not do is scream and cry, push for abstinence only sex education, then outlaw abortion and push these cases into the back ally. That simply does not work.

Side: No
2 points

Most people with an ounce of intellect understand that there is much guilt from women who have had abortions. So you have no problem with women suffering from the guilt? The woman has already suffered from a hideous rape and now you would want her to also live with the guilt of abortion?

It's amazing how you pick and choose what type of suffering is ok and which is not.

Any woman who had caring compassionate people in our media would have been educated to know the first thing to do is go to the doctors where they can prevent conception!

It truly is a waste of time statng the obvious to mindless people.

The sad part is that they could care less the truth, they know the truth and laugh at it. They don't speak of how easily it is to prevent conception by just going to the doctor after rape. These pro abortion fanatics constantly talk about educating people to birth control, etc. but when it comes to something as important as rape? THEY SAY NOTHING ABOUT WHAT TO DO!

The reason being so they can use their pathetic rape excuses to keep abortions for any reason going strong.

Side: Yes
2 points

Most people with an ounce of intellect understand that there is much guilt from women who have had abortions.

Most people with an ounce of intellect would understand that women have vastly different reactions to that, and to claim to know the intimate details of all women's lives is ridiculous.

So you have no problem with women suffering from the guilt? The woman has already suffered from a hideous rape and now you would want her to also live with the guilt of abortion?

You are presuming to know the woman and her response to abortion. That is extremely arrogant, and who are you to determine their life choices? I thought you believed in small government.

Any woman who had caring compassionate people in our media would have been educated to know the first thing to do is go to the doctors where they can prevent conception!

She was 10 years old an in a place where comprehensive sex education was not available.

It truly is a waste of time statng the obvious to mindless people.

Which is why I wonder why I respond to you at all.

The sad part is that they could care less the truth, they know the truth and laugh at it.

You have avoided the truth in your posts.

They don't speak of how easily it is to prevent conception by just going to the doctor after rape.

Again, she was TEN YEARS OLD, and did not have access to comprehensive sex ed. You did not think this through.

These pro abortion fanatics constantly talk about educating people to birth control, etc. but when it comes to something as important as rape? THEY SAY NOTHING ABOUT WHAT TO DO!

Based on what evidence?

The reason being so they can use their pathetic rape excuses to keep abortions for any reason going strong.

I know this is impossible for you to understand, but people with different opinions are not evil and malicious.

Side: No

Of Course! Why shouldn't she not abort?? So much for free choice..lousy government

Side: No
skyfish(276) Clarified
1 point

this is where some want to take this country.... you cant tell who they are because they all have an "R" after their name.

Side: Yes
1 point

Weighing Risks & Benefits

There are two options: (1) force the child to carry the fetus to term at great risk to the child and no certainty of survival for the baby; or (2) abort the fetus and forfeit its chance at life but prevent the child from being exposed to the risk of the pregnancy. There is no option were we are not forced to value one over the other.

Neither the child nor the fetus is responsible for this situation, so we cannot assign preferential value on the basis of fault or culpability. What is left, then, but to select for that option which is most likely to cause the least aggregate cost or harm?

Option one jeopardizes the life of the child without necessarily securing the life of the fetus which must survive both the pregnancy and its birth. Option two definitively removes the risk posed to the child but forfeits the chance at life that the fetus may have. The only option which affords us any certainty of at least helping one of the two is the second.

The first option presents us with both the greatest possible gain and greatest possible loss, but the most probable result is the loss of one or both lives given the innate risks of a pregnancy involving someone who is only ten years old. The second option affords us the greatest possible likelihood of helping at least one of the two with the least risk of losing both, rendering it the best possible option that can be made.

Additional Argumentation

The designation of life is an arbitrary and subjective process upon which there is not broad agreement, and there is particular disagreement over where that designation should be made in regards to fetuses. While the status of the fetus is debatable, the status of the ten year old child is not. When forced to prioritize one entity over the other, it seems most prudent to value the entity whose status as a human being is broadly accepted rather than the entity whose status is contested.

Side: No
skyfish(276) Clarified
1 point

there are many here who contest that a 10yro rape victim enjoy's the more broadly accepted status.

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which i find sick and depraved.

Side: Yes
Jace(5222) Clarified
1 point

I actually doubt that most anti-abortionists would make that argument. I think they would readily agree that fewer people see the fetus as a living human than see the child as a living human, and that would be what they object to.

I also would not say that they are any less correct than anyone else in terms of where they designate the start of life, since that designation is ultimately an arbitrary and subjective one. I think it is the less useful classification, but that is because I understand the designation of life in terms of its practical utility (I could elaborate, but why bother since we effectively agree on this).

Further, I do no think their view necessarily makes them "sick" or "depraved". They are not opposed to abortion because they inherently want to hurt women, or because none of them care about the pain and suffering of the ten year old girl... but rather because they also care about what they consider to be another living being who is going to be killed. They consider the certain death of one person to be worse than the pain and possible death of another person. I disagree with how they evaluate the risks and costs and ascription of life to the fetus, but I do not think it makes them deranged monsters who are trying to destroy women and young girls.

Side: Yes
1 point

i would donate to a "gofundme" website to bring this girl here to America where she can be treated for her condition in a safe and professional manner.

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Side: No
Jace(5222) Clarified
1 point

This is assuming that parental consent could be secured to transport her across national borders and that she has or can secure the necessary travel permits and visas to make the trip in time. But if this is something you believe in, maybe you should look into that and start the "gofundme" campaign yourself. At the very least the funds could go to support her recovery.

Side: Yes
1 point

The world of girl child,promising that gloomy and hopeful . The hand that rocks the candle and the mother of tomorrow...if she raped we have to support her for abortion..she is just 10 year old she don't have enough knowledge to survive . and she is just child friends ,we help her in everything..and we don't take her down ....and give highest punishment that any other think once while rap.

Side: No
0 points

Although I don't think abortion is something that should become as common as removing a tooth, I'd have to say that in this case it's a definite because a young girl was raped. The abortion should be done with the upmost care though, because of the age of the girl. We should look to see if having the abortion will damage her in any way, and then do what is necessary to prevent any further harm to this innocent child.

Side: No
skyfish(276) Clarified
1 point

just to be clear... it wouldn't matter HOW a 10yro girl got pregnant... it is ALWAYS rape.

Side: Yes
MrFelpe(35) Clarified
1 point

For the most part, yes. Except in the rare cases where the two people involved are kids. I think the youngest parents ever were around the age of 10. In this case, I wouldn't consider it rape. Is it wrong? Possibly. But was anyone raped, no.

Side: Yes