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A Beautiful Atheist World

Cant you see it now? Decades from now not a Church or Mosque or Synagogue as far as the eye can see. Little atheist kids playing and singing songs: "Yes Dawkins loves me! Yes Hitchens loves me! Yes Darwin loves me, their books all tell me so!" Ahh music to my ears. And on Saturdays, mid afternoon so we can sleep in, we all go down to Ch-.......Chilis for a nice brunch. They hand out commun....i mean Nilla Wafers to all the kiddies and they read chapters from "The God Delusion". And on Sunday, FOOTBALL!!! And after a long weekend we all get back to hailing Satan again on Monday :)
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I don't think religion will ever die, just as I don't think everyone was always religious. I bargain that even back in religion's hay day, there were atheists, they were just way less outspoken.

Also, you said sleeping in on Saturday, isn't that already a sleep in day, and Sunday's the Sabbath? As for this beautiful world, it's like that already. Yet when people mention this world we live already, they can talk about the good things happening in one corner of the world, or the bad things happening everywhere else. So I ask you, in this Utopian future of atheism, what's the bad things happening?

I dunno .

TeenPassion(281) Clarified
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My old church had service on Saturdays. So some churches go to church on Saturday .

If you believe in and worship Satan you're not an atheist.

I know but Christians always are saying that atheists are devil worshippers so I used it as a joke. .

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This is an argument against A Beautiful Atheist World.

As much as I admire atheistic philosophy, as much as I have to admit it's contributed greatly to mankind, the philosophy isn't true ( there is indeed a God ) and atheism doesn't really support an argument as to why everyone should be good and follow rules that establish fairness and equality among intelligent life.

Yes, philosophers like Jean-Paul Sartre argued that we should strive to be good because it makes the human race more trusting and happier--but there's a few atheists that have admitted that, in a Godless world, being selfish and self-serving can have its benefits. Atheists like Joseph Stalin and Mao ZeDong have commited horrible, horrible atrocities because they believed they could get away with it in their Godless world. Sure, many religious people have also done the same.

The truth is there is a God, and he speaks to us through coincidences, through experiences, through accidents, and through physical punishment. God is real and the best reason of all why we should be good is because God is a God that punishes--and punishes severely!

It took God billions of years to construct intelligent life and he isn't going to let a few conceited humans tear down all of creation in their pursuit of pleasure and glory.

Be good or else ( and yes, there are many great atheist philosophers in history whom God actually assisted to improve human understanding and intelligence ). God speaks to us daily.

When you stop reading this article, be prepared to encounter coincidences in your daily walk. And remember this: God helps those who genuinely make the world a better, happier place for everyone.

( And give up on Satanism. It really isn't good for you. Go to a good church of your choice. )

AveSatanas(4443) Disputed
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As much as I admire atheistic philosophy, as much as I have to admit it's contributed greatly to mankind, the philosophy isn't true ( there is indeed a God )

Prove it

and atheism doesn't really support an argument as to why everyone should be good and follow rules that establish fairness and equality among intelligent life

So? Do you really need an external source to tell you that flying planes into buildings is bad? We get our morals from society and most of all from our families, not holy books. And also, why do you need an external code of rules when we have The LAW. The law keeps us in line just as well as any holy code of ethics and even more so: as in theres nothing in the bible against drunk driving. Our laws are more specific and appropriate than the bible.

Yes, philosophers like Jean-Paul Sartre argued that we should strive to be good because it makes the human race more trusting and happier--but there's a few atheists that have admitted that, in a Godless world, being selfish and self-serving can have its benefits.

Atheism is just the lack of belief in a God. it doesnt say anything else and certainly doesnt say anything about being selfish. Atheists can be, and usually are, just as caring and giving as religious people. And sometimes even more so as we do things not for a god or for an afterlife in heaven, but just because its the right thing to do.

Atheists like Joseph Stalin and Mao ZeDong have commited horrible, horrible atrocities because they believed they could get away with it in their Godless world. Sure, many religious people have also done the same

Im an atheist too so technically I too can get away with murdering thousands. So why am i not out doing it? Because im a sane, moral person. These people you cited above didnt do what they did because they didnt believe in god. Thats idiotic to think. Not believing in god doesnt make you a crazy murderer, morals still exist. They did what they did for political reasons and because they were just bad people and they just so happened to be atheists.

And you also contradict yourself at the end by saying that religious people have done things just as bad...so what point were you trying to make here?

The truth is there is a God

Prove it

and he speaks to us through coincidences, through experiences, through accidents, and through physical punishment.

OR, now bear with me because this might sound crazy....but perhaps these things just HAPPEN because they HAPPEN? Maybe you fell off your bike because, oh i dunno, GRAVITY pulled you to the ground? Or your great aunt Cheri died because, hmm...her heart stopped beating?

THeres absolutely no reason to assume that these very natural occurances in our daily lives have any divine causation to them whatsoever. Its just wishfull thinking to assume so and i dont buy it.

God is real

Prove it

and the best reason of all why we should be good is because God is a God that punishes--and punishes severely!

Pascals wager. What a pathetic argument. "If youre wrong youll BURN so believe!!". Thats a terrible reason to believe in anything. What if YOURE wrong and the Hindus are right? Or the ancient egyptians? Those myths are just as likely to be real as yours, so why dont you start practicing Wicca so you can spend eternity in Summer Vale? (i think thats what they call it).

And what would God be punishing me for anyway? Im only using the mind he gave me to arrive at a logical and well educated conclusion about the world around me. And he planned my life anyways so how can he possibly punish me?

It took God billions of years to construct intelligent life and he isn't going to let a few conceited humans tear down all of creation in their pursuit of pleasure and glory

Billions of years? The bible says DAYS. By accepting that the Earth is billions of years old you cut a massive chunk out of your bible that corrodes the basis of the rest of your belief system.

Be good or else

And THAT is moral? Thats barbaric! Morality is doing what you know to be right because it is the right thing to do. Not doing whats right because youre told to, you might be punished, or you might get a reward.

( and yes, there are many great atheist philosophers in history whom God actually assisted to improve human understanding and intelligence )

Or they were just ahead of their times. Thats far more likely

God speaks to us daily

I dont hear anything.

When you stop reading this article, be prepared to encounter coincidences in your daily walk

EXACTLY. Thats all they are. coincidences and nothing more. Natural occurances that happen just because thats how things turned out. Not because a god willed them to be.

And remember this: God helps those who genuinely make the world a better, happier place for everyone.

Then he should be helping me because as a moral person thats what im trying to do. I want religion gone because its harmfull to the world, so god is apparently helping me destroy himself. Cool.

( And give up on Satanism. It really isn't good for you. Go to a good church of your choice. )

And give up on Christianity. It really isn't good for you. Go to a science center of your choice.

See, i can play those games too. Satanism is far more moral, sane, beneficial, and practical than Christianity, you have no idea. Maybe if you did 10 minutes of research youd find that it isnt what you ignorantly assume it is.

Prove it

The existence......................of Oreos points to God. Lol.

Juan_Pablo(66) Disputed
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I can't prove there is a God unless he decides to reveal himself to you as he did to me . . . through frightening, jaw-dropping coincidences.

By the way, all morality is artificial. There is no such thing as genuine goodness and genuine badness. But we should strive to be socially good and constructive if we value good, painfree experiences. God is mean ( recall that he executed Jesus in place of a murderer ). He's intentionally cruel to send a message to potential sinners like you and me. ( You might call it "fighting fire with fire". ) Our sin kills other people, get it? God is ego-centric ( it values its own existence above all else ). But unlike us ( who are also ego-centric ) it has far more power.

God threatens us with punishment to encourage us to be nice to the people that share the Earth with us. ( And not necessarily with hell in the afterlife, but here on Earth. )

And Satanists believe in unrestrained indulgence, and value power and ego above all else. ( I'm familiar with the arguments put forward by Anton Lavey in favor of Satanism. ) That kind of philosophy is converting our planet into a miniature hell--and God will not tolerate it!

Quocalimar(6470) Disputed
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( there is indeed a God )

Pics or it's false. But Honestly, to assert such a claim requires proof, you have none.

atheism doesn't really support an argument as to why everyone should be good and follow rules that establish fairness and equality among intelligent life.

Sure it does. Follow rules or you go to prison, now. Which is better than follow rules or you go to hell eventually.

The truth is there is a God, and he speaks to us through coincidences, through experiences, through accidents, and through physical punishment.

False. God does not interfere isn't that one of his principals? Yet assuming I'm wrong, and you know so much. Why is it, that God, with his power and apparently will to interfere doesn't stop crime from happening at all? Or at least some of the more gruesome crimes, like women mutilating their husband's genitals, or men raping and killing women?

Atheists like Joseph Stalin and Mao ZeDong have commited horrible, horrible atrocities because they believed they could get away with it in their Godless world.

Really? The 'powerful atheists who did bad' argument? What about the powerful atheists who did good just for the sake of doing good? Or how about the religious people who did bad in the name of their religion. Hitler is an example. Theirs also the wars, and terrorist acts done also in the name of religion.

in a Godless world, being selfish and self-serving can have its benefits

You mean like it already does?

Juan_Pablo(66) Clarified
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I'm a pantheist. I believe that the universe is God. You have plenty of evidence all around you that the universe exist, so there's your proof!

( By the way, if I wasn't a pantheist, and provided you with pics, how would you know that what you're looking at is God? You must have some pre-conceived notion of what God must look like to do this--a notion which may very well be wrong in and of itself! You're argument has holes. )

Atheist and theist must follow good law all the time; here I absolutely agree with you. However, if human laws and human law enforcement was all there was, anyone can do what they wanted when no-one is watching, and there's an enormous potential for malice in that! Well, there is a God, and God sends plagues, fires, tornados, earthquakes, and other nasties to show us that evil behavior has a price. He also destroys economies, increases unemployment, spreads terminal diseases for our human wicked ways. Our bad actions always hurt people, no matter if they're committed when no one else is watching. Carry out your civic responsibilities or you risk turning the dial up on the misery of your fellow man and yourself . . . that sort of thing.

In an intelligent human world, God reacts intelligently.

I do understand that there have been wonderful atheists that have accomplished great things. I admire such people. However, if they choose to do great things for mankind it's because they realize that the world can get potentially miserable really easy. Many people don't care either way. So a devil exist for them, as way of encouraging us to always be good.

You argue as if God only punishes with hell and allows us do what we want while we live. This isn't biblically consistent. God punishes people for sins while they remain alive. And he doesn't just punish the sinner . . . if you get my point. ( This answers your final sentence: when we sin it almost always hurts someone. )

Sounds like an ignorant world to me :/. Seriously how can you be so sure there is no god or gods?

AveSatanas(4443) Disputed
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Atheism isn't "sure" there absolutely is no God/gods. Its just a world where nobody believes that there is any.

Oh ok I see now

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Athiests don't believe in God or Satan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

So worshipping Satan doesn't make it an Athiest world. It makes it a Satanist world.

I know that lol. But Christians are always saying that "atheists are the devil!" and all that shit. It was a joke XD