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A Message to Atheists

People are constantly asking, 'What's so special about Jesus? Why is He the only way that someone can know God?'
Along with the problem of those who have never heard about Jesus, there is no question asked more often than this one. We are accused of being narrow-minded because we assert there is no other way to get to God.
The first point to make is that we did not invent the claim of Jesus, being the only way. This is not our claim; it is His. We are merely relating His claim, and the claim of the writers of the New Testament.
Jesus said, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me' (John 14:6, NASB) and 'For unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins' (John 8:24, NASB). The Apostle Peter echoed these words, 'Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved' (Acts 4:12, KJV).
St. Paul concurred, 'There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus . . .' (1 Timothy 2:5, KJV). It is therefore the united testimony of the
New Testament that no one can know God the Father except through the person of Jesus Christ.

the non Christian really has no logical alternative but to accept that Jesus is God:

“I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic-on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg-or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God; or else a madman or something worse.

You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon; or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God. “

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
Col 2:9 (NIV)
~Micky GG
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I wasn't moved by it at all.

If you're going to fall for sun worship, at least go for something original like Mithra. why follow some counterfeit Johnny come lately like Jesus?

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The first point to make is that we did not invent the claim of Jesus, being the only way. This is not our claim; it is His.

Christianity was an invention of men forming their own cult. None of the founders lived at the time of Jesus, and that is if he even existed in the first place. We have no body of him.

Therefore, the claim that Jesus is the only way to know god, is an invention of Christians. Just as the claim that the bible is the word of god. People wrote these stories with those claims, much as in fiction we may write that the earth was borne of a parallel universe, and that these claims come from a highly credible source - the grand wizard. You cannot use the source of a claim as supporting authority for it.

Jesus said, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me' (John 14:6, NASB) and 'For unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins' (John 8:24, NASB). The Apostle Peter echoed these words, 'Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved' (Acts 4:12, KJV).

St. Paul concurred, 'There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus . . .' (1 Timothy 2:5, KJV). It is therefore the united testimony of the

New Testament that no one can know God the Father except through the person of Jesus Christ.

People who wrote those stories wrote that a man named Jesus said those things. That is where it begins and ends.

If you want to prove something, you use sources of information besides the one making the claim.

All you've argued is that Jesus is the way to god, because the bible says so.

the non Christian really has no logical alternative but to accept that Jesus is God:

No logical or rational person would accept that. Do you believe that Harry Potter is the salvation of the world because it is written that he smites Voldemort?

“I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic-on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg-or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God; or else a madman or something worse.

Since there is no god or devil, that leaves us with the choice that Jesus was a madman (or a charlatan).

Tell me you weren't moved by this post. NOT MINE BTW. Just thought that what he said was true and we should all stop fighting.

The only ones fighting are the Christians. Their religion is dying, and their leaders are persistent in undermining government and dividing society over petty issues.

4 points

People are constantly asking, 'What's so special about Jesus? Why is He the only way that someone can know God?'

No their not. Many Christians assume the rest of the world is as caught up in their religion as they themselves are because it is a cult and requires that none question it, even those outside of the cult. You need to assume that if one is not "saved" it is not due to reasoning, but some missing information. I can assure you, atheists, jews, muslims, buddhists, etc, are not sitting around wondering "what's so special about Jesus? ..." etc etc

Along with the problem of those who have never heard about Jesus, there is no question asked more often than this one. We are accused of being narrow-minded because we assert there is no other way to get to God.

You are quite narrow minded in fact. And nearly everyone on earth has heard of Jesus. You people won't shut up about him for ten seconds. Again, your viewing and trying to relate your religion through a very narrow spectrum which can only be described as cultish.

The first point to make is that we did not invent the claim of Jesus, being the only way.

Yes, the idea was invented. It is completely made up. You have no proof, there is no evidence of this person ever being alive outside of the Bible, which of course is biased and so cannot be called proof.

This is not our claim; it is His. We are merely relating His claim, and the claim of the writers of the New Testament.

Again, lack of proof. What if I told you I met Charlie the Unicorn, and Charlie the Unicorn died for our sins and it is the only way you can get to heaven etc etc. There is no more or less proof.

Next, you don't even know who wrote the New Testament. Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are rewrites of rewrites of rewrites. The oldest source of the New Testament is called "O" by scholars, and it is obvious that each of the four books was in some form copied from this. None of the New testament surfaced until around 300 years after this person Jesus supposedly died. We can't keep straight what happened 10 years ago and we have internet and TV. You're depending on people keeping a story straight by word-of-mouth for around 300 years. It's silly.

Jesus said, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me' (John 14:6, NASB) and 'For unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins' (John 8:24, NASB). The Apostle Peter echoed these words, 'Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved' (Acts 4:12, KJV).

St. Paul concurred, 'There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus . . .' (1 Timothy 2:5, KJV). It is therefore the united testimony of the

New Testament that no one can know God the Father except through the person of Jesus Christ.

I don't believe you, the bible, John, Acts, Timothy, or even Jesus if that person ever existed. It sounds like silly superstition and no amount of quoting silly superstition will make it sound any less silly - quite the opposite in fact. It sounds sillier the more you quote it.

the non Christian really has no logical alternative but to accept that Jesus is God:

Very cultish attitude. Brainwashed even. If you cannot even see that this religion is no more or less "logical" than any other, than your are mind is truly not your own. From the outside they all seem quite illogical. Why could one not quote the Koran, than say as you do "see because this book says this, it is the only logical choice." You've not offered an ounce of logic.

“I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic-on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg-or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God; or else a madman or something worse.

If those are the choices, I vote lunatic. However, you're ignoring other choices such as he never existed, it's a collection of works attributed to a single individual, it's mostly copied from the Egyptian "Book of the Dead" (they are strikingly similar) etc. etc.

Many people say many inspiring things. Some of them still alive. That you are moved by this due to your immersion in it in no way makes it Universally true. Some people are immersed in Harry Potter, doesn't make it a true story though.

You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon; or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God. “

You can do none of these things. He probably never existed, even if he did, he's already dead, you certainly cannot kill him again - you're confusing your religion with a zombie movie I believe.

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

Col 2:9 (NIV)

~Micky GG

Tell me you weren't moved by this post. NOT MINE BTW. Just thought that what he said was true and we should all stop fighting.

I found it trite, dull, narrow-minded, and aimed only at those utterly immersed in one ideology with little experience outside of that ideology.

Very little in the Bible is even well-written. Perhaps it sounds pretty in Aramaic, but it was at some point poorly translated at best.

I find the writings of Mark Twain far more prolific and true to life - there are a number of writers I feel have put out far better work than whoever is responsible for this plague on society you call the Bible.

2 points

Ugh! A flurry of votes both up and down. Here I stay at 1 silly approval rating.

Come debate me sheep. Where now is your shepard? ._.

Thinking about stuff sucks when you're used to people just telling you what to think.

Invite your preacher instead. I'd love to discuss this with a man of the clothe.

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3 points

Jesus claimed to be the only way to "God" for the same reason every Buddha and zen master has. to uproot a persons attachment to past enlightened persons.

By following Jesus this long after his death, you're defeating the whole purpose of Jesus' saying he is the only way.

=/

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Your argument assumes that everything attributed to Jesus in the Bible actually passed his lips. I believe that his essential message was perverted by people who wanted to take political advantage of his reputation, (including those who were involved in the canonization process) It is for this reason I am somewhat uncomfortable identifying as Christian.

It would be very easy for people to get the wrong idea

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So true. Everything we know about history leads us to conclude that texts are full of distortion. Are we really to believe that everything in the bible is true.

This is what always gets me about Christians. They tell you that this book full of stories about pillars of fire, bread falling from the sky, giant bodies of water parting and demons flying out of people is completely true. Then if you mention another religion that has some very similar events they immediately say "Oh...well that's ridiculous!" Was Jesus the son of God born of a virgin that 3 wise men visited and so on and so forth. I really doubt it. What it comes down to is that it is the religion of our culture. The Western culture has dominated the world for the last 500 years and brought its influence in many ways, this is one of them. Just because Christianity is the most practiced religion doesn't make it right. It's a good story. If I'm wrong, well then I apologize to Jesus for being so close minded. Maybe some of his followers will do the same one day.

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Well, presently I’m not going to question the authority of bible. Anyways it is your belief.

But tell me if Christianity is only the true religion then why there are so many different religions existing in the world? How Christianity is different from others? Like your bible, other religions too have their own holy books. According to those holy books only their religion is true not Christianity. How you say that Christianity is true?

Side: Concept of one true religion is wrong
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If God, the Almighty, the Alpha & Omega, creates everyone and everything in His vision, why did he create homosexuals. Why would He create something, SOMEONE, that the Bible says He hates. Tell me that. Why is there war? Murder? Rape? Tell me why the Lord allows that to happen. I want logical answers, not your extremist religious bullshit. BTW, I'm an atheist.

Side: Concept of one true religion is wrong
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Atheists are cynical people who have no soul and never will be accepted by the love of God and Jesus. Many wonder if they have any morals.

Atheists don't believe in your cult, no one has a soul and Jesus doesn't exist. God is irrelevant to morality, try learning what morality means.

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I already know what atheists don't believe. What I said was they are cynical.

Sure, I can't prove that everyone has a soul, but can you prove that no one has a soul?

Jesus did exist, but the difference between us is what he did as a human.

Well, I am quite sure what morality means. Apparently, you don't

Telling people religion is a cult. What kind of morals are those?

In America, freedom is great because I can believe what I want to believe as you have that same right. So, calling organized religion a cult is really unfair.

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ap0110(70) Disputed
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I see that you are a Republican, and I'd assume a theist or deist as well since you make such harsh statements about atheists. You are making generalizations about all atheists which simply aren't true.

First, I am an atheist, and I consider my self a realist, somewhere between optimism and cynicism. I am believe that humanity can continue to soar to great heights as a race, but there are hurdles we need to overcome, and I'm not sure if we can. This remains to be seen. This is not a cynical view, but a realistic view of our situations.

Since I have begun identifying as an atheist, I have found more hope in my life, and find myself living life to the fullest. Concerns of people's eternal souls, whether a god would really forgive me for my sins, and whether we're predetermined for heaven or hell, don't concern me any longer. I use logic and reason to help me determine morality.

As far as atheist morality, I can assure that I am very moral without a god. Contrary to popular belief about atheists, I did not feel the urge to commit suicide, life is not meaningless. Life has the meaning that I give it, and also life is very rare and should be cherished. I also did not go out and rape or murder anyone, as I am accountable to the society in which I life.

Morality is a term we give to the rules that govern our social interactions with each other. We are a social species, and have found that the best way to survive is through cooperation. Altruism is an important part of how we survive, and also the idea that if I want my needs to be met and respected, that I need to respect yours as well. The problem arises when your needs and desires conflict with mine. I don't kill you, cause I need you to meet my most basic needs, which is survival. I also don't kill you because I wouldn't want to be treated that way, and I know if I did kill you, your friends and family might come and do the same to me.

Another interesting discovery about humanity is we are able to feel empathy for other humans, and also other creatures. This has gone a long way to help keep us in check when it comes to morality, and we feel more likely to help our fellow human than to harm him/her.

Can you see any reason for us to be moral to each other, help each other survive and live the good life, if there is no god? Who dictates your morals to you? Is it a god, or is there a higher law? If it's a god, then he can say that killing is wrong today, but if his mind is changed tomorrow then killing becomes right, and you can not argue with him (and why would you, you have no sense of morality, it comes from him, and he's the mafia boss, what he says goes!). This is a pretty bad moral system. On the other hand, if morality does not come from god, if there is a higher truth, then god is not necessary.

The Bible reflects the best attempts of morality at the times it was written. Slavery was a normal practice back in Old Testament times, and interestingly enough it was not done away with in the New. These are just the best these people had at the times, and by today's standards they are very brutal (not all of them, there is some beauty in the Bible, but an awful lot of horrible ideas). We have moved beyond them. Slavery was an issue we worked through, and we no longer believe it to be a good way to achieve a good living for all. Don't you think an eternal god, an all knowing god, could have figured this one out? Why didn't he do away with slavery all together, if he is holy? Or is it that these are the writings of men in the Bronze Age, who were trying to come up with a moral system in their own time period. Is secular society more moral than the god of the Hebrews? Most definitely definitely it is.

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