I actually answered this by providing you with a number of quotes showing that Jesus and God are one and the same in response to your dispute of my original post. Since you have provided verses here though I will go by your selection.

1. Matthew 24:36

No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only.

Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.

Just to say I won't relist all of your quotes because the essence of them in supporting your argument subsume under the answer I will give which is that yes, there is a distinction, but it is not one that refutes the status of Christ's identity as being that of God. Similar to what KHNav said, as Jesus came to the Earth in human form, he would assume the limitations of that nature, in both the physical (being mortal) and the spiritual sense (not being omniscient). All of these quotes are a confirmation of being a man, not a denial of being God.

It is natural then, that as a mortal sent from Heaven He would wish to do the Lord’s will in order to accomplish His purposes. That would include abstaining from sin, and Jesus was too devoted to God to let that impede or offset His mission. Any references to Jesus being subordinate to God (e.g. John 14:28) are in reference to the change in His status: Hebrews 2:9 mentions that “He was made for a little while lower than the angels”.

10. John 17:21-23

. . .that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. . ..that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me.

In this prayer Jesus defines the term “to be one.” It is clearly accomplished through the relationship of two autonomous beings. Christian believers are to model their relationship (to become one) after the relationship of God and Christ (as God and Christ are one). Notice that “to be one” does not mean to be “one and the same.”

Indeed, Christians develop their relationship with God through the acceptance of Christ; the relationship cannot exist otherwise. However, to be one for us means in having a new identity characterised by this acceptance and inviting Christ to dwell inside our hearts as reflected through our conduct in His name. We may appeal to God for His authority and He grants it to us in performing His works. Christians may be functioning in the natural and supernatural sense, but this does not mean that we are actually God. We are still physically humans, but we are spiritually One in Christ. Notice the line “May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me”– meaning that Christ comes with the Father: it is not sufficient to just have one. “I in them” (Christ in us) “You in Me” (God in Christ).

Hope this clarifies matters.

Now I shall add some direct, verbatim quotes taken straight out of the bible (NKJV) in order to nail-down and prove my argument that Jesus of Nazareth was NOT god...and most likely not even divine.

A mere human. A rabbi, cult leader, and political insurrectionist.

here we go...................

Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God The Creator....

1. Matthew 24:36

No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only.

Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.

2. Matthew 26:39

My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.

Jesus’ will is likewise autonomous from God’s Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God’s will.

3. John 5:26

For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.

Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent.

4. John 5:30

By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.

Jesus says, “by myself, I can do nothing.” This indicates that Jesus is relying upon his own relationship with God. He is not trying to “please myself” but rather is seeking to “please the one who sent me.”

5. John 5:19

The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also.

Jesus declares that he is following a pattern laid down by God. He is expressing obedience to God.

6. Mark 10:18

Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.

Here Jesus emphatically makes a distinction between himself and God.

7. John 14:28

The Father is greater than I.

This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.

8. Matthew 6:9

Our Father, which art in Heaven.

He didn’t pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!”

9. Matthew 27:46

My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Inconceivable if he is God the Creator.

10. John 17:21-23

. . .that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. . ..that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me.

In this prayer Jesus defines the term “to be one.” It is clearly accomplished through the relationship of two autonomous beings. Christian believers are to model their relationship (to become one) after the relationship of God and Christ (as God and Christ are one). Notice that “to be one” does not mean to be “one and the same.”

I will only allow people who disagree with me on this to do so by refuting any of the bible quotes. I am sick of Christians simply spouting opinion and NOT answering my questions. Or explaining direct BIBLE QUOTES.

Trollers or groundless Christian rhetoric will be banned. I am sick of answering Science and Evolution questions with direct evidence and fact and NOT having the Theist explain thier beliefs with same.

SS

It's long due to scripture references at bottom of post:

Yeah that's so cute! But wrong! It's difficult to read the Bible without The Holy Spirit. It's actually meant to be hidden and revealed in the relationship of God to His Children.

Jesus actually says this many many times. He says Seek find, buy the field for one great pearl worth everything, buy it with your whole heart and I'll reward you in this life and in the next! He calls it pearls and says don't throw it to dogs and swine.

He said the some things that discouraged followers, why?

Jesus often asked questions to bring out a real answer from them.

Jesus could tell there was something in this person "the rich young ruler" regardless of what the guy said that he wanted.

So the 1st thing Jesus wanted to know, is what did the Father reveal to this young man regarding who He was.

He really didn't go around trying to make disciples of everyone

that wanted to follow Him. Jesus knows that a weak commitment can't stand in Light. And that is why He is judging Churches right now! Because they led people to believe they are OK, when they

are not ok.

The Good News is Jesus, so He is Good! But He is a double

edged sword! See scriptures all these are blips from scriptures ...

He is a stone - He falls on you you are crushed to powder - a stumbling stone, you fall on the stone you are broken, a broken vessel is a humble vessel that God can fill.

Satan's pride separated Him from God, humility evaluates yourself and realizes we all are in need, from the least of us to the greatest. We equally NEED His grace, mercy, and His New Life.

The Rich Young Ruler didn't need mercy, he wanted instructions

on his terms, yeah I did all these, what next... Jesus already knew

that this guy had no idea what the Christ was let alone who He

was!

If you understood the gospel and God, you would see that in his

self righteous answer. Instead Jesus went to people who were humble and recognized their own need for mercy, like Jonah - in

the fish had to learn he needed mercy, God humbled him showing

him why he had mercy on Nineveh by showing Jonah how much mercy he himself needed!

There are times Jesus left crowds of people that He gave parables to and then said to the disciples, or smaller crowds, I'll explain, but to them it's just words.

Jesus knew their hearts! And you can see how He answered people. And He wasn't purposely revealing who we was at times, because His "appointed time" for the Cross had not come yet.

As in

Matt 16

18 I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.” 20 Then He warned the disciples that they should tell no one that He was the Christ.

He asked them things like Why do you say that I am Good? God is Good. Because As it is written No one comes to the Son unless the Father draws them.

Here is the context of your scripture

The Rich Young Ruler

16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him,

“Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One

who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 Then he said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; 19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept;

what am I still lacking?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

22 But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property.

23 And Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” 25 When the disciples heard this, they were very astonished and said, “Then who can be saved?”

26 And looking at them Jesus said to them, “With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Matt 13

10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak

to them in parables?” 11 Jesus answered them, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted. 12 For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does

not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him.

13 Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing

they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being

fulfilled, which says,

‘You will keep on hearing, but will not understand;

You will keep on seeing, but will not perceive;

15 For the heart of this people has become dull,

With their ears they scarcely hear,

And they have closed their eyes,

Otherwise they would see with their eyes,

Hear with their ears,

And understand with their heart and return,

And I would heal them.’

16 But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear.

Matt 16

13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi,

He was asking His disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist; and others,

Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets.”

15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.” 20 Then He warned the disciples that they should tell no one that He was the Christ.

John 6

41 Therefore the Jews were grumbling about Him, because He said, “I am the bread that came down out of heaven.” 42 They were saying, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does He now say, ‘I have come down out of heaven’?” 43 Jesus answered and said to them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught of

God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father,

comes to Me.

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Comeon, Slappy, you're trying to tell me you are qualified for this kind of discussion and you can't see that Jesus was correcting the man who didn't really know what he was saying? Jesus asked "why do you call me good? There is none good, only God is good" (pardon my non-verbatim quote but it's close enough) because the guy did not believe Jesus is God. Jesus simply told him he didn't know what he as talking about....he didn't know Jesus is God.

Jesus did not say "I am not good". He said only God is good, and if the man is going to call Jesus "good master", then the man must be saying Jesus is God...but the man was not saying that, He did not believe Jesus is good or God and Jesus pointed out the guy's unbelief. Is it really that hard for you to understand?

What you are doing is starting from the position of "there is no God", then asserting the Bible is not God's word, then insisting Jesus cannot be God and ignoring the many places in the Bible which clearly show Jesus is God.

You are acting fraudulently misrepresenting the Bible for your straw man argument against god which is a thing and is not God.

Jesus Christ Is God Incarnate

Quoting from Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:23 says, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." According to both of these verses, Jesus was "God with us" when He walked upon this earth. He wasn't merely "God's chosen one with us" or "God's Son with us." As I Timothy 3:16 states, "God was manifest in the flesh." John 1:14 tells us that "the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us..." In Zechariah 12:10, GOD said that HE (God) would be "pierced" by sinners, and Revelation 1:7 states that Jesus Christ Himself fulfilled this prophecy! Friend, the Bible presents Jesus Christ as much more than a great prophet and teacher. God's word presents Jesus Christ as God incarnate.

Jesus Christ Is Eternal

In John 10:28, Jesus said, "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." If Jesus Christ isn't eternal, then how does He have the power to give "eternal life"?

Micah 5:2 states that Jesus Christ is "from everlasting", which is exactly what Psalm 93:2 and Isaiah 63:16 say about God!

In John 8:58, Jesus said to the Pharisees, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." The term "I am" is the exact term that God used in Exodus 3:14 in reference to Himself! Jesus professed to be the eternal God of the Bible.

Jesus Christ Has Divine Names

Check these references for yourself. In Matthew 22:42-45, Jesus claims to be the "Lord" of Psalm 110:1. He allows Thomas to address Him as "My Lord and my God" in John 20:28.

He is the "everlasting Father" and "The mighty God" of Isaiah 9:6.

According to His own words in John 10:11-14, He is the "shepherd" of Psalm 23:1, Psalm 80:1, and Ezekiel 34:12.

God is the "saviour" in Isaiah 43:3, 43:11, 45:15, 45:21, Hosea 13:4, Luke 1:47, and I Timothy 4:10, yet this same title is given to Jesus Christ in Luke 2:11, Philippians 3:20, II Timothy 1:10, and II Peter 2:20.

God is the "Rock" of Deuteronomy 32:4, 32:15, 32:18, 32:30-31, I Samuel 2:2, and Psalm 18:31, yet this title is given to the Lord Jesus Christ in I Corinthians 10:1-4, I Peter 2:7-8, and Romans 9:33.

God is "light" in Psalm 27:1 and Micah 7:8, and then Jesus is "light" in John 1:4-9 and in John 8:12.

In Isaiah 44:6 God says, "...I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." In Revelation 1:17 Jesus Christ says, "...Fear not; I am the first and the last."

The Scriptures are clear: Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament

Jesus Claimed Equality with God

Jesus says in Matthew 28:19, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" If Jesus Christ isn't Deity, then why did He include Himself in the Holy Trinity?

Jesus says in John 14:9, "...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?" Is the Father someone other than Jesus Christ? No, not according to Jesus Christ.

In John 10:30, Jesus says, "I and my Father are one." Isn't that clear enough?

Philippians 2:6 says that Jesus was in the "form of God", and that he thought it not robbery to be "equal with God"!

The Jesus Christ of the New Testament claimed to be "one" with God and "equal" with God.

Jesus Christ is Omnipresent

Only God has the ability to be everywhere at once, yet Jesus Christ claims this ability.

In Matthew 18:20, He says, "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." How could this be possible if Jesus were not Deity?

The same is true in Matthew 28:20 where Jesus says, "...lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." How could He be with each individual Christian always and be in Heaven at the same time? He is God, for only God has such attributes!

Jesus Christ Is Omniscient

To be omniscient is to have all knowledge, unlike normal men. The Bible declares that Jesus was indeed omniscient.

Unlike normal men, Jesus Christ had knowledge of specific details about His own death. In Matthew 16:21, Jesus said that He would go to Jerusalem, suffer many things at the hands of the scribes and the elders, be killed, and then be resurrected the third day. He repeats this prophecy in Matthew 20:19.

Matthew 17:27 offers the account of Jesus knowing of a certain coin in a fish's mouth before the fish is caught!

He knew specific details about a woman's life whom He had never met (John 4:16-19). He also had all knowledge about Nathaniel in John 1:47-49. (here, Nathaniel knew Jesus is God because He displayed His omniscience, it's pretty obvious if you read the passage that Nathaniel was praying to God under the fig tree, being honest with God, and Jesus heard His prayers. When Jesus saw Nathaniel coming , He said "behold, and Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile (deceit)." Nathaniel asked Jesus how he knew, Jesus said (not verbatim here, but close enough) "When you were under the fig tree, I saw you." The response of Nathaniel was to worship Jesus by saying "Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel." Jesus commended Nathaniel for recognizing who He is and promised greater things. Only God can make those promises, Jesus never corrected anybody who worshiped Him, He claimed to be the Messiah with is the Christ who is God of the Old Testament and the New.

And as for pointing out that the time of the end was knowledge held only by God the Father, Jesus humbles Himself in the form of a man, He took on some limitations which He threw off at will whenever He wanted to. The disciples asked a question they were not allowed to know the answer to and Jesus was not going to lie to them so the answer is reserved to the Father and not given out to anybody.

You could also point out that many will come to Jesus saying "Lord, Lord..."....and Jesus will say to them "I never knew you". These things are choices. God is able to limit His awareness, He is able to ignore you completely and take no knowledge of you and STILL bring you into Judgement where every thing you have ever said, done or imagined will be on public display.

Friend, Jesus Christ is Deity because He is omniscient.

Jesus Christ Has Creative Powers

John 1:1-3 says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." The "Word" is the Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:14; I John 1:1-3; 5:7), and John 1:3 says that all things were made by Him!

Colossians 1:16 says, "...by him were all things created..." Consider Hebrews 1:1-3: "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" You see, by Jesus Christ the worlds were made, and by Jesus Christ all things are upheld. He has the power to create and sustain the universe.

Jesus Christ Has Power Over the Elements of Nature

In Matthew 14:25, Jesus literally walks upon the sea, and in Luke 8:24, He rebukes the wind and it obeys Him. How could He perform such tasks if He weren't God? It must be understood that Jesus didn't pray for God to calm the sea; He calmed the sea Himself.

Jesus Christ Received Worship

If we're wrong in teaching that the Lord Jesus Christ is God, then He must have been wrong in allowing people to worship him. Jesus Himself said, "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (Mat. 4:10) Why would He say this at the beginning of His ministry and then spend His ministry allowing people to worship HIM?

In Acts 10:25-26, and in Revelation 19:10, worship of anyone other than God Himself is forbidden, yet Jesus willingly received worship throughout His public ministry (John 20:28; Mat. 8:2; 9:18; 15:25; 28:9; John 9:38). If He isn't Deity, then why didn't He correct those who worshipped Him?

Jesus Christ Forgave Sins

"And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." (Jer. 31:34) According to these words, it is GOD Who has the power and right to forgive sins. However, the New Testament says that Jesus Christ has this power.

Please notice Mark 2:5-11: "When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts? Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house."

Jesus Christ is God, because only God can forgive sins. It's true that He took on the form of a man for thirty-three years on this earth, but He was still God. He was God manifest in the flesh (1st Timothy 3:16).

Jesus Christ Had Power Over His Own Life and Death

How many people do you know who have the ability to lay down their own life and then take it up again? Jesus had this power.

Consider John 10:17-18: "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

Jesus had the power over His own life and death! When He died, He willingly gave up His own spirit (Luke 23:46).

According to His own words in Revelation 1:18, Jesus Christ has "the keys of hell and of death." How could He possibly have such power if He were not God?

Friend, make no mistake about it: the Lord Jesus Christ is Deity. He came to this earth and suffered in human flesh for thirty-three years. He lived a perfectly sinless life, and then laid that life down as an eternal payment for your sins. Mohammed didn't pay for your sins, because Mohammed wasn't God. Buddha didn't pay for your sins, because Buddha wasn't God. You can't pay for your sins, because you aren't God. Only Jesus Christ is sinless, because only Jesus Christ is God. He Alone can save your soul from the eternal fires of Hell.

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." (Acts 4:12)

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)

2. Matthew 26:39

My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.

Jesus’ will is likewise autonomous from God’s Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God’s will.

I answered this in the last post.

In all ways He was made like us.

Hebrews 4

12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. 16 Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

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3. John 5:26

For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.

Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent.

Actually I'm not sure, but I am seeing this as revelation the last few weeks, but its on a shelf. Sometimes things come to you and its not as clear as other times, but it could actually be doctrines of man that cant fully accept the revelation. And if you listen a while, God shows you more later. Or not. Not all things will be revealed. And really it would take Eternity to search His depths.

I have been studying Genesis 1 for weeks, I felt like God had a lot to say in that chapter. And honestly I never looked at it much because of familiarity. And He showed me a lot from just that one chapter throughout many books, its like He was unfolding the verses in layers throughout His Word. And I could see a piece of a big picture.

It's very awesome, fun too!

FYI Saintnow is going to spaz!!!

But I do preface this answer with, I don't know, but I think I have been seeing this. But it's on my revelation shelf. I will bold scriptue part and not bold my explanation support, so you can see which is my words.

God said Let there be Light! ; This was the Spirit imparting the Son into our dark world.. see scriptures below.

Genesis 1

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

("In the beginning" refers to creation of heaven and earth - So it actually doesn't go back to the beginning of anything else outside

of our creation)

2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

(We see here God's Spirit was cruising over the surface of the deep - we have seen God impart Himself in way of His Spirit - Revelations says "the Seven Spirits of God are before the throne" and the # 7 is Completion or Fullness, Maybe the Full Measure of, or the big picture so to speak.

The Bible actually says "The Lord our God is ONE," so when discussing God and other gods - He has the pen say "the Lord our God is ONE," Not The Lord our God is ONE God.

It wasn't an accident that the pen wrote in Genesis "Let US make man in Our Image" And I am seeing this type of repitition in this scripture, like in one place it says ruin, ruin, ruin in a three repetition, so it's likely a measure for us to understand. Like it could divide in three parts, or be aware it is for 3 specific periods.

We see two repetitions in this scripture in Joshua -

Joshua 22:22

“The Mighty One, God, the Lord, the Mighty One, God, the Lord!

He knows, and may Israel itself know. If it was in rebellion, or if in an unfaithful act against the Lord do not save us this day!)

3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

See John 1 below - "the Word was with God and was God, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men."

Also see Proverbs The Word is Wisdom

4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light

from the darkness.

5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 He was in the beginning with God.

3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came

into being that has come into being.

4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.

5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

1 Corinthians 8

4 Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

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I will bold portions of this scripture

Proverbs 8

My fruit is better than the purest gold,

and what I produce is better than choice silver.

20 I walk in the path of righteousness,

in the pathway of justice,

21 that I may cause those who love me to inherit wealth,

and that I may fill their treasuries.

22 The Lord created me as the beginning of his works,

before his deeds of long ago.

23 From eternity I was appointed,

from the beginning, from before the world existed.

24 When there were no deep oceans I was born,

when there were no springs overflowing with water;

25 before the mountains were set in place—

before the hills—I was born,

26 before he made the earth and its fields,

or the beginning of the dust of the world.

27 When he established the heavens, I was there;

when he marked out the horizon over the face of the deep,

28 when he established the clouds above,

when the fountains of the deep grew strong,

29 when he gave the sea his decree

that the waters should not pass over his command,

when he marked out the foundations of the earth,

30 then I was beside him as a master craftsman,

and I was his delight day by day,

rejoicing before him at all times,

31 rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth,

and delighting in its people.

32 “So now, children, listen to me;

blessed are those who keep my ways.

33 Listen to my instruction so that you may be wise,

and do not neglect it.

34 Blessed is the one who listens to me,

watching at my doors day by day,

waiting beside my doorway.

35 For the one who finds me finds life

and receives favor from the Lord.

36 But the one who does not find me brings harm to himself;

all who hate me love death.”.

It is truly amazing for someone who does not beieve in God, to spend so much time trying to make other people not believe in God.

Ask yourself, why are you so insecure with your beliefs that you must constantly try to tear down Christians?

Do you know how much time I spend trying to tell Atheists they are wrong and only I am correct? HARDLY EVER!!!!!!!

I am secure with my beliefs and if others do not believe in God, that is their choice.

For a person such as yourself to constantly try and nit pick the Bible says one thing. You are about as secure with your beliefs as a fence post. Satan did what you do. He constantly tried to tear down the one true God because he knew the truth and wanted to deceive others.

My passions and the issues I speak to involve the killing of innocent life. I speak to issues that steal my freedoms to dissagree with big Government. I want the freedom to live in states that share my values rather than Big Brother political correctness beng forced on all states.

If I ever get so insecure with my own beliefs to constantly berate others for simply not believing, shoot me please and put me out of my misery.

Here is archeological findings of many things including Jericho

All the history in digs are in the wrong time period, that they date it.

But they assumed a Pharoah, and all finds are very patterned of the Bible. Every evidence is there 200 years prior confirming everything and they'd rather ignore and deny it. That's pretty frustrating.

It's all part of the deception flood.

It's obvious the data of history in the Bible isn't fiction.

Atheists are desperate to cover this up and discredit the Bible.

That's just actually evil. That's literally taking control of people's beliefs by with holding facts

What is really upsetting, the Bible has a historical document literally is time stamped. You have to be an idiot to mistake everything.

So they go off of the guessing of Egypt, yet the archeology confirms every story and dating including Jericho.

It's pretty devious to ignore time stamping to guessing.If you just go on geneology you know they had it dated wrong!

http://patternsofevidence.com/blog/2016/ 06/02/new-archeological-discoveries-about-to-hit-overdrive/

"Is Jesus here rebuking the man for calling Him good and thereby denying His deity? No. Rather, He is using a penetrating question to push the man to think through the implications of his own words, to understand the concept of Jesus’ goodness and, most especially, the man’s lack of goodness. The young ruler "went away sad" (Mark 10:22) because he realized that although he had devoted himself to keeping the commandments, he had failed to keep the first and greatest of the commandments—love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength (Matthew 22:37-38). The man’s riches were of more worth to him than God, and thus he was not "good" in the eyes of God.

Jesus’ fundamental lesson here is that goodness flows not from a man’s deeds, but rather from God Himself. Jesus invites the man to follow Him, the only means of doing good by God’s ultimate standard. Jesus describes to the young ruler what it means to follow Him—to be willing to give up everything, thus putting God first. When one considers that Jesus is drawing a distinction between man’s standard of goodness and God’s standard, it becomes clear that following Jesus is good. The command to follow Christ is the definitive proclamation of Christ’s goodness. Thus, by the very standard Jesus is exhorting the young ruler to adopt, Jesus is good. And it necessarily follows that if Jesus is indeed good by this standard, Jesus is implicitly declaring His deity.

Thus, Jesus’ question to the man is designed not to deny His deity, but rather to draw the man to recognize Christ’s divine identity. Such an interpretation is substantiated by passages such as John 10:11 wherein Jesus declares Himself to be “the good shepherd.” Similarly in John 8:46, Jesus asks, “Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?” Of course the answer is "no." Jesus was “without sin” (Hebrews 4:15), holy and undefiled (Hebrews 7:26), the only One who “knew no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

The logic can thus be summarized as follows:

1: Jesus claims only God is good.

2: Jesus claims to be good.

3: Therefore, Jesus claims to be God.

Such a claim makes perfect sense in light of the flow of Mark’s narrative with regards to the unfolding revelation of Jesus’ real identity. It is only before the high priest in Mark 14:62 when the question of Jesus’ identity is explicitly clarified. The story of the rich young ruler is one in a sequence of stories designed to point readers toward Jesus’ self-understanding as the eternal, divine, incarnate Son of God."

Source: http://www.gotquestions.org/good-God-alone.html

This is a little off the topic. But establishing 1 thing, helps establish another. You can't establish Jesus and who He is, and the WHY behind things. Like Why didn't He come out and say this.

As a Christian who knows the Bible, I can accept an explanation, because to me the Bible itself is credible. Even if credible historically without the aspect of faith, I can make reasonable conclusions as to why, or what was occurring in the social economical and even national sense of the historical text.

So we have Jesus, who is accepted historically by atheist as well as believers, as well as others in other faiths.

We have 4 written accounts which when compared even by forensic analysis used to determine crimes and conspiracies conclude, aside from the miracles, since they are considered too sensational, so even backing them out, we still have a historical document of eye witness accounts of travels and teachings, and words. Like any other philosopher, we can say He said it and in full confidence document at least the natural as opposed to the supernatural aspects. So we have Jesus, things He said, a conviction and death sentence on the cross, and intense persecution that is unimaginable, that people who knew Him, and not just the people in His closesr sphere, lots of people, both Jew and Gentiles that heard or saw Him, that for whatever reason about Him, we're stoned, beheaded, burned alive, even fed to lions, given the opportunity to recant refused and suffered crazy horrible deaths. Knowingly, yet it still grew, under pressures that reasonably would have extinguished it! Mohommad and Islam brought devastation because of their faith, and attracted people who could kill and hate and take over others and other nations. Not so with this group in the early Church, they persevered enduring violence not executing violence.

Then to grow to a point where time and history is defined by this one man, who only taught for 3.5 years! So we have BC and AD and its a worldwide standard of measure for all time! Crazy huh!

So when questions arise 1 thing, builds on another for an answer. But if you have nothing factual to build on, then how can you answer these things?

So let's start with what parts are credible and historical, and then after we get that down, let's ask why is this said this way or that way, and what does that mean in the context of your questions.

The historical documentations of what Jesus said, and the texts written surrounding everything Jesus said, and even prophesies foretelling of His alleged arrival, all say why He never said it the way you would think He would have or should have said it. He humbled Himself to be like us in all ways, and didn't proudly even make Himself Equal with God, but even though He was as God is, He became what we are, to walk a cleared path we can follow that He made for us to become like Him. In a body that is like His in the raised form He completed 2000 years ago.

In the documented accounts of His speeches, and in the documented accounts of His private conversations, you can reasonably conclude in a logical reasoning that is as logical and in order as we see in creation or in the outcome of "evolution" and science.

According to Biblical texts and Jewish and Christian people of faith, God is not in a body like ours. He is given attributes like ours, that is why we are in His image. But we aren't able to be fire burning on a bush, and we aren't light and water. But we are fathers mothers, we have hands, and ears and these attributes are applied to this Super Being, yet we are in His image but also known not in His physical image.

So think science and faith.. Christians and Jews applied science principles for the why and even the how. That is logical and the leeast mythological of any religion. It follows a logical order, then the events follow the same logical order for 4000 years leading to a why that is actually scientific and not just wacky ideas like granting many virgins, why would God plan that, what benefit does that brings?

So what is Gods why, and His how?

And that is to have a body like ours, different than Angels, and to have character of God, in the image of His character by will and choice. So we consider Jesus, and the WHY and how, what purpose. And if it's reasonable and logical, could it be factual over mythological?

Jesus was the first born of many brethern, because He made Immanuel - God With Us. Tthat is who Jesus is but WHY? Because we ate an apple? If you read Genesis, childbirth was already going to be painful, God said pain would be increased. Adam already was commaned to cultivate, He already was going to work the ground, but now there would be weeds and it would be harder. Satan the serpent was already judged now he would feed off flesh and eat dust all his days. The plan existed before the fall, right in days 1 to 4, and in 5 and 6. God already planned on making our bodies more than flesh and blood, all that in "the fall" were the difficulties added.

He is the First Born of a body like ours that can dwell in the Heavens, and in the speed of Light.

We know through science we couldn't live in these bodies we have, in the way the bodies we will have could. So Jesus was the 1st of this new thing, new body, and a measure of God himself had to create it. So He did, in Immanuel - God With Us.

He had to transform us to this body that is like ours but durable in His place. And its science! Are we made up of electricity and water?

Did Moses know that? Or did even Peter know that?

What does it say our bodies will be transformed into?

Basically a body you can touch made up of light. That's a little far out of reach from basic mythology. It's logical, and probable, and even scientifically plausible!

God had already det in motion and planned this transformation from the very first words " In the beginning" Genesis 1: 1.

So this is a why. And tbe why is logical. And the why is orderly, and the events leading the football through tine follow this methodical sequential building in one direction to one set purpose to arrive as one set ffinal outcome. Known as the Resurection of the dead. In which we will shine like the electrical energy in lightening.

So let's compare that to myths of marrying many virgins, or getting energy from a crystal, or being driven by reincarnation, or the host of other illogical gods that entertain and decieve.

So then we consider your questions, who is Jesus as a result of this logical conclusion? And now does it make sense that for a little while He became even lower than Angels, to be raised as the first born of many, and to Lord, And King of Kings?

Is the why logical and is the how methodical?

Then is the why credible? Is the Bible at the very least minus the supernatural at least historical? Then we can answer these questions. And determine if these concepts are logical in their progress. Example, Muslims believe they have the highest calling in Jihad, and as a martyr they will be given many virgins.

A guys biggest dream, go figure. But what about the women martyrs? And why would that be a work to accomplish in the first place. It's very myth oriented and similar to mythology of sun gods and fertility gods etc. Now you may say that about Christianity but when you take apart the what, where, when, how, and why, you actually find logic. And Not far fetched like the myths that have no reason or logic at their core or foundations.

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