A list of good and bad from a Liberal, Progressive, Socialist (Democrat) point of view.
Freedom for communities to choose for themselves if they want a school prayer(with no child ever forced to pray) - BAD!
Freedom to own guns to protect ourselves and others from murderers - BAD!
Freedom to end the lves of healthy late term unborn Babies for any reason at any stage - GOOD!
Freedom to force entire States of people to bow to the collective's Politically correct agendas - GOOD!
Forcing Black familly owned businesses to cater KKK meetings, as like forcing Christian businesses to cater Gay events- GOOD!
Telling parents they should not spank their children because that would be abusing their child - GOOD!
Forcing people of humanity and conscience to pay for others to have abortions - GOOD!
Forcing the middle class to buy insanely expensive Government's mandated healthcare to subsidize others - GOOD!
Allowing people who break our immigrations laws to stay here, live off our social programs & someday vote for Democrats - GOOD!
I could go on and on but is it possible for one Party to become so insanely wrong about the conscience of a nation? We are seeing in our own short generation how dictatorships start and take hold. It begins with freedoms which turns into complacency and laziness, which turns into dependence, which turns into entitlements, which turns into people demanding those so called entitlements by electing the very people who will control their lives. When the Government dependent people demanding entitlements out number the working tax payers, the new age extremist Liberal party is the beginnings of a dictatorship. Our children are screwed!
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Freedom for communities to choose for themselves if they want a school prayer(with no child ever forced to pray) - BAD! Private schools (a type of community) are allowed to hold prayer. Public schools (public institutions) are not allowed. You have made up an issue that does not exist.
Freedom to own guns to protect ourselves and others from murderers - BAD! I would say the majority opinion is stricter gun control, not ban guns all together. Stricter background checks, mandatory training, prevent dealers who lose their licenses from selling guns, etc.
Freedom to end the lves of healthy late term unborn Babies for any reason at any stage - GOOD! Most advocacy groups promote safe sex over abortions. It is a fairly basic preventative measure. For mothers that do not wish to keep the baby, the taboo of abortions causes them to hesitate until late term. If there was more sexual education, people would only be aborting babies for health reasons or due to contraception failure. It would also be mostly first trimester.
Freedom to force entire States of people to bow to the collective's Politically correct agendas - GOOD! No idea what you are talking about here. Are you talking about the forced repeal of anti-miscegenation laws? Jim Crow? The passing of the Civil Rights Act? You need to be more clear.
Forcing Black familly owned businesses to cater KKK meetings, as like forcing Christian businesses to cater Gay events- GOOD! No one is forcing black families to cater to a group of white supremacists prone to violence. With this comparison, it seems that you are suggesting gay people are to Christians as the KKK is to minorities. If so, you should probably go study analogies.
Telling parents they should not spank their children because that would be abusing their child - GOOD! Physical punishment is enforced differently by state/jurisdiction. In many cases, a spanking will not warrant criminal prosecution. In many cases, beating the child in a drunken stupor does. Forcing people of humanity and conscience to pay for others to have abortions - GOOD! ?
Forcing the middle class to buy insanely expensive Government's mandated healthcare to subsidize others - GOOD! Allowing people who break our immigrations laws to stay here, live off our social programs & someday vote for Democrats - GOOD! Most social programs require proof of citizenship and residency. Off the top of my head, the only one that does not is WIC for new mothers. Illegal immigrants mostly do not pay income taxes (federal/state), but they do pay a host of other taxes much like the average citizen/resident. They generate millions/billions for states in various industries because they do not receive the same rights as citizens/residents/legal immigrants. Sorry, but you are wrong about public schools and prayer. He did not make up the issue. Do you know your history? I don't think you have a clue. Here is a link for you to learn. Let me guess.I bet you will come up with 10,000 reasons why the article is wrong other than what he wrote. http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0098Banonschoolprayer.html Also, a lot of gays are to Christians as the KKK is to minorities. They just don't get the negative press that the KKK gets. The LGBT leadership is very anti Christian and trying to bring it down one piece at a time. http://www.christianpost.com/news/ 2
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Ok, lets do this. Freedom for communities to choose for themselves if they want a school prayer(with no child ever forced to pray) - BAD! It still normalizes a specific religion. That only works if it is unanimous decision, and even then that is dangerous for those who are not vocal about their beliefs (or lack thereof.)
Freedom to own guns to protect ourselves and others from murderers - BAD! You know, the general position isn't usually NO GUNS. It's just an increase on regulations.
Freedom to end the lves of healthy late term unborn Babies for any reason at any stage - GOOD! As Cartman pointed out, you can't have a late stage abortion at any stage... xD. But if you are ok with early stage abortions, why are late stage ones a problem? Where do you find the difference?
Freedom to force entire States of people to bow to the collective's Politically correct agendas - GOOD! Um... what? Can you explain?
Forcing Black familly owned businesses to cater KKK meetings, as like forcing Christian businesses to cater Gay events- GOOD! So long as the businesses have made an agreement to serve the public, yep. You are simply saying what they believe. Do you have any arguments about why you find this to be bad?
Telling parents they should not spank their children because that would be abusing their child - GOOD! Because spanking and other forms of childhood abuse have been shown to negatively affect children later in life.
Forcing people of humanity and conscience to pay for others to have abortions - GOOD! Yep. That is definitely happening.
Allowing people who break our immigrations laws to stay here, live off our social programs & someday vote for Democrats - GOOD! Why do you find it problematic for immigrants to be in our country?
I could go on and on but is it possible for one Party to become so insanely wrong about the conscience of a nation? You only believe it to be wrong because it's different from your beliefs. You didn't give any reasons here why it's wrong. As such, all you're saying is "is it possible that one party could disagree with me on so many issues?" We are seeing in our own short generation how dictatorships start and take hold. It begins with freedoms which turns into complacency and laziness, which turns into dependence, which turns into entitlements, which turns into people demanding those so called entitlements by electing the very people who will control their lives. When the Government dependent people demanding entitlements out number the working tax payers, the new age extremist Liberal party is the beginnings of a dictatorship. Our children are screwed! How do any of the things going on lead to a dependency? Do you not see how badly people have fought for these things to occur? Are you saying that if they stop fighting and get what they're fighting for, we're in a dictatorship? 1
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Now you just got to the bottom line of what this new age PC Progressive extremism has done to our freedoms. You just said.... "It still normalizes a specific religion. That only works if it is unanimous decision, and even then that is dangerous for those who are not vocal about their beliefs (or lack thereof.)" If America based everything it talks about in school to your narrow impossibility, there would be nothing we could say in school because there is not an issue or subject in this world where there is unanimous agreement. Can you grasp that? Tell me why Liberals have decided that religion is the one subject that is off limits because of no unanimous agreement? Tell me why Gay awareness is allowed in schools when so many parents are outraged by it. Much more so then were ever offended by a simple prayer. You want to live in a world where feee speech is censored if it offends the one? Do you understand that your concept goes TOTALLY against the entire ideals of America? A prayer in school forces no one to believe any religion. It is a symbol of our nation's Christian heritage as is the pledge of Allegiance, etc. etc. The Prayers I remember in school, when people were not being arrogant censoring control fanatics, were very generic speaking to love, forgiveness, safety for the kids, etc. You have a problem with kids hearing that but you don't mind them hearing about the abnormal union of two men? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? It truly is sick the hypocrisy of people who think as you because while you censor the freedom for a community to choose a school prayer in public schools, you have no problem with political correct messages being constantly taught to our kids. I have a problem with the theory of evolution being taught as fact in school while the theory of creationism gets no mention. I guess we should censor the teaching of evolution since I don't agree, correct? I hope you can see the double standard and hypocrisy from the Left. Oh they will spew their ludicrous excuses of how the lie of separation of Church and state (nowhere written in the Constitution) excuses their censoring of our freedom of religious expression.(which is spoken of in the Contitution). The Constitution actually says that Government shall pass no law establishing a religion nor prevent the free exercise of religious expression. A simple prayer establishess nothing. If it did, prayers at football games would be estblishing a religion. HOGWASH! When a community of people freely vote to have a prayer in their school, Liberals are going against the Constitution by preventing the free exercise of religious expression. Those parents in that community are not a Government forcing the kids to be Christians, they are free Americans choosing to have a simple prayer. CENSOR THEM LIKE THE GASTOPPO! I am against all abortions unless life of mother but I can not be hypocritical and only talk about Democrats concerning 1st trimester abortions because the GOP have caved in on those abortions as well. They knew if they did not cave in they would never get elected and the Democrts would destroy this nation faster than they already are. It's sick how Americans are losing more and more of their moral values because the Left keeps censoring any mention of those values in our public square. We are becoming a vacuum of any moral discussion for fear of offending the one as you pointed out. It begins with freedoms which turns into complacency and laziness, which turns into dependence, which turns into entitlements, which turns into people demanding those so called entitlements by electing the very people who will control their lives. When the Government dependent people demanding entitlements out number the working tax payers Yup exactly what Conservatives want to do. 1
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Freedom for communities to choose for themselves if they want a school prayer(with no child ever forced to pray) - BAD! Forcing people to pay for your religious expressions is bad. It is big government forcing people to violate their religious freedom. Freedom to own guns to protect ourselves and others from murderers - BAD! That is a Democrat (Not socialists, by the way) thing more than anything else. I am to the left of Liberal (Social Democrat, closer to your boogeyman) and a strong proponent of the 2nd Amendment. Freedom to end the lves of healthy late term unborn Babies for any reason at any stage - GOOD! Not something the left believes in, no matter how many times you repeat that lie. Freedom to force entire States of people to bow to the collective's Politically correct agendas - GOOD! Nope, just outlawing unconstitutional laws. It's about constitutionally correct agendas, not politically correct ones. Forcing Black familly owned businesses to cater KKK meetings, as like forcing Christian businesses to cater Gay events- GOOD! That is a state issue. If you live in a state that has an anti-discrimination law, then you have to adhere to that. You love to say state's rights unless you disagree with the outcome. Telling parents they should not spank their children because that would be abusing their child - GOOD! It often (but not always) is abuse, not to mention bad parenting. Forcing people of humanity and conscience to pay for others to have abortions - GOOD! The Hyde Amendment exists, as you have been told dozens of times. Forcing the middle class to buy insanely expensive Government's mandated healthcare to subsidize others - GOOD! One way or another, we would be paying for other people's healthcare. The current options were this (a law that I don't approve of), or paying for it via emergency room care, which is substantially more expensive. You just complain, you don't provide any alternative. Allowing people who break our immigrations laws to stay here, live off our social programs & someday vote for Democrats - GOOD! Yes, let's give them amnesty so they will pay all taxes. Though we then won't have a source of cheap labor and our produce prices will go up.. I could go on and on but is it possible for one Party to become so insanely wrong about the conscience of a nation? No, but it is possible for an individual to become so insanely wrong about it, as can been seen in your posts. We are seeing in our own short generation how dictatorships start and take hold. That is hilarious. So because a collective group via democratic processes does things you don't like, it is somehow a dictatorship. I am getting close to ridding myself of my ban on insulting you based on how bafflingly hilarious this comment is. It begins with freedoms which turns into complacency and laziness, which turns into dependence, which turns into entitlements, which turns into people demanding those so called entitlements by electing the very people who will control their lives. You are all about slippery slopes. Where would you be without them? When the Government dependent people demanding entitlements out number the working tax payers First off, everyone pays taxes. Most people on welfare are also working. The amount of people who don't work and collect benefits are a small minority. the new age extremist Liberal party is the beginnings of a dictatorship. Ah, so when something that isn't the case happens, then this age occurs. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Our children are screwed! Less poverty, less violence, less teen pregnancy, less discrimination, the only way our children are screwed is from an environmental standpoint, which is something you have already demonstrated you don't care about. Now ban me, little troll. Edit: I'm going to partially end my ban on insulting you. You are a coward. You make claims and ban anyone who disagrees with you. You declare that I am a waste of time simply because I do not agree with any of your beliefs, and declare that I am playing devil's advocate because I will correctly point out the way things are even, generally regarding legality of issues, even if I do not support them. So I say to you again, you are a coward. Ugh my internet is painfully slow right now. Someone kill me. Freedom for communities to choose for themselves if they want a school prayer(with no child ever forced to pray) - BAD! This has nothing to do with socialism, at all. It might interest you that some groups, like the National Party of Austrailia hold consistently conservative social views and leftist economic views. Of course, that's not the only thing problematic with this statement. If you took a poll, you absolutely would not find these groups unanimously and diametrically opposed to this. That said, I'm really just done with prayer sessions. It's all make-believe. An individual can pray on their own time, but we should not even entertain fantasies if it means interrupting everyone's daily life and alienating those who don't believe in a higher power. Freedom to own guns to protect ourselves and others from murderers - BAD! For what it's worth, Karl Marx was against the restriction of civilian firearm ownership In any case, I'm quite liberal myself, perhaps a bit of an SJW at times, but I'm by any means against the ownership of guns. I'm ambivalent and undecided on the current debate on gun control, but mostly just apathetic. Freedom to end the lves of healthy late term unborn Babies for any reason at any stage - GOOD! Okay, late term development doesn't occur at any stage. It doesn't work that way. Are you actually going to provide a source, because pew begs to differ
Freedom to force entire States of people to bow to the collective's Politically correct agendas - GOOD! If you're reffering to gay marriage, it's not about politcal correctness, it's about constitutionality and quality of life. The supreme court is not telling you to like or approve of gay/lesbian couples, they're demanding more equal recognition under the law.
Forcing Black familly owned businesses to cater KKK meetings, as like forcing Christian businesses to cater Gay events- GOOD! Eh. Since this is social policy, I myself am back at that marvelous state of being both ambivalent and apathetic. Find me a source for this, blah blah blah you get where I'm going with this. Telling parents they should not spank their children because that would be abusing their child - GOOD! Spanking is absolutely abuse. 2 treat (a person or an animal) with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly. If you feel the need to strike your kid for their obediance (you don't), then you have to be at least a little bit simple minded. There is no excuse. I'm not going to lay someone out for being excessively rude, that's just called being mature.
Forcing people of humanity and conscience to pay for others to have abortions - GOOD! Again, are you ever going to cite this? You're intergrating many groups, and not even being clear about what they're even doing.
Forcing the middle class to buy insanely expensive Government's mandated healthcare to subsidize others - GOOD! The ACA isn't mandated, and it's not redistribution. It's not even full healthcare reform, it's healthcare insurance reform.
Allowing people who break our immigrations laws to stay here, live off our social programs & someday vote for Democrats - GOOD! Absolutely no one is in support of this. I'll lick my incense tray if you can prove that liberals, progressives, socialists, and Democrats all support such a thing.
I could go on and on but is it possible for one Party to become so insanely wrong about the conscience of a nation? We are seeing in our own short generation how dictatorships start and take hold. It begins with freedoms which turns into complacency and laziness, which turns into dependence, which turns into entitlements, which turns into people demanding those so called entitlements by electing the very people who will control their lives. When the Government dependent people demanding entitlements out number the working tax payers, the new age extremist Liberal party is the beginnings of a dictatorship. Our children are screwed! The developed world spent an entire century dodging fascism left and right, and after all of this, you still think that we're barreling towards it? 1
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You just got done saying YOU are done with Prayer! Well how nice of you to tell everyone else that we can not have a prayer in school because YOU do not think we need it. How about being done with the constant mention of the Gay agendas and their plight in life. You have no problem with Gay awareness being taught to our captive audience of children? That is scary for anyone to think like Madeline O'hare that because they do not want their child hearing a prayer, ALL CHILDREN must be censored from hearing a prayer. Why not take her child to a school that has no pryer. NAH, Liberals want to censor God from our public land. THE ARROGANT FOOLS! Before I start: Can you please calm down? We're just two strangers having a chat. We're supposed to be here for fun. I'm not asking this for my own sake, you seem to regularly and intensely get worked up when debating, and it's concerning. I am not going to jump at you, I just want a nice and (hopefully) friendly discussion. You just got done saying YOU are done with Prayer! Well how nice of you to tell everyone else that we can not have a prayer in school because YOU do not think we need it. I am done with prayer because there is no utility in it. You can close your eyes, clasp your hands, and try to communicate with any of the hundreds of gods created by humanity, but it starts an ends right there, it's wishful thinking. I've done it myself hundreds of times. You were raised Christian, I'm guessing? Have you ever considered how many people (who can't be too terribly different from you and I) have been raised under a different religion and believed it devoutly? Have you ever wondered why none of these gods seem too apt to actually directly communicate and present themselves to the world, despite how adamantly people will insist that they have? It's simply made up. How about being done with the constant mention of the Gay agendas and their plight in life. What exactly is the gay agenda? Blatant, repetitive, and severe abuse of people deserves to be discussed constantly. You have no problem with Gay awareness being taught to our captive audience of children? What particular instances of this happening are you reffering to? That is scary for anyone to think like Madeline O'hare that because they do not want their child hearing a prayer, ALL CHILDREN must be censored from hearing a prayer. Which, of course, is true. That said, practically no one shares the same fringe views as she did, and not allowing a community to set up a prayer timetable doesn't constitute censoring prayer. Why not take her child to a school that has no pryer. NAH, Liberals want to censor God from our public land. THE ARROGANT FOOLS! If you're setting up a "prayer time" for a whole community, this would be dificult to accomplish. Are going to address my other claims that, you know, weren't about prayer? Prayer definitely is not the focus of this debate. 1
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Now you just got to the bottom line of what this new age PC Progressive extremism has done to our freedoms. You just said.... "It still normalizes a specific religion. That only works if it is unanimous decision, and even then that is dangerous for those who are not vocal about their beliefs (or lack thereof.)" If America based everything it talks about in school to your narrow impossibility, there would be nothing we could say in school because there is not an issue or subject in this world where there is unanimous agreement. Can you grasp that? Tell me why Liberals have decided that religion is the one subject that is off limits because of no unanimous agreement? Tell me why Gay awareness is allowed in schools when so many parents are outraged by it. Much more so then were ever offended by a simple prayer. You want to live in a world where feee speech is censored if it offends the one? Do you understand that your concept goes TOTALLY against the entire ideals of America? A prayer in school forces no one to believe any religion. It is a symbol of our nation's Christian heritage as is the pledge of Allegiance, etc. etc. The Prayers I remember in school, when people were not being arrogant censoring control fanatics, were very generic speaking to love, forgiveness, safety for the kids, etc. You have a problem with kids hearing that but you don't mind them hearing about the abnormal union of two men? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? It truly is sick the hypocrisy of people who think as you because while you censor the freedom for a community to choose a school prayer in public schools, you have no problem with political correct messages being constantly taught to our kids. I have a problem with the theory of evolution being taught as fact in school while the theory of creationism gets no mention. I guess we should censor the teaching of evolution since I don't agree, correct? I hope you can see the double standard and hypocrisy from the Left. Oh they will spew their ludicrous excuses of how the lie of separation of Church and state (nowhere written in the Constitution) excuses their censoring of our freedom of religious expression.(which is spoken of in the Contitution). The Constitution actually says that Government shall pass no law establishing a religion nor prevent the free exercise of religious expression. A simple prayer establishess nothing. If it did, prayers at football games would be estblishing a religion. HOGWASH! When a community of people freely vote to have a prayer in their school, Liberals are going against the Constitution by preventing the free exercise of religious expression. Those parents in that community are not a Government forcing the kids to be Christians, they are free Americans choosing to have a simple prayer. CENSOR THEM LIKE THE GASTOPPO! I am against all abortions unless life of mother but I can not be hypocritical and only talk about Democrats concerning 1st trimester abortions because the GOP have caved in on those abortions as well. They knew if they did not cave in they would never get elected and the Democrts would destroy this nation faster than they already are. It's sick how Americans are losing more and more of their moral values because the Left keeps censoring any mention of those values in our public square. We are becoming a vacuum of any moral discussion for fear of offending the one as you pointed out. 1
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I am very calm thank you. I am also very angry that people such as yourself have the arrogance to think they know more than the millions of people who derive much happiness and peace from their faith. Who on earth are you to care? IT IS THEIR RIGHT no matter if you think it is fairy tales or not. Why not talk to the millions of people hooked on drugs and alcohol, and could not beat their addiction until they became Christians. You just dismiss all their testomonials because you are just too enlightened to believe such things. The truths in the Bible that speak to the reasons of man's problems in life are amazing. They are spot on and if all people tried to live up to those values, our world would be a wonderful place. But what is so laughable is your total hypocrisy when it comes to where your compassion lies. You and the Left are seemingly in a constant stage of outrage over the plight of Gays and other weird sexual orientations, but you could care less of the millions of late term abortions(for any reason) kept legal by your left wing party. You think it is bad to spank a child, but killing the child is ok! Can you even grasp that kind of total lack of wisdom and inhumanity? You care more if Gays can marry than the lives of our children! Why do you suppose Christians have the simple humanity to understand a Baby's right to life? Why do you suppose Christians understand the importance of personal moral values and lifting them up to our children in society? Why do Christians understand the importnce of a Father at home raising his kids rather than a cold corrupt Government? Liberals do all in their power to keep people coming onto Government dependence rather than trying to get them off and lifting up responsibility, and speaking out against one night stands and the sexual revolution that has created all these father less children. Christians have a thousand times more common sense than any Liberal I have ever known. I guess that might explain why I would rather believe in God than believe our complex DNA just randomly occured through evolution. And you think we are brainwashed?... LOL... Science still does not know how a living cell came to be from no living cell. Until you have some proof of something, spare me your enlightened fairy tale. |
