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Debate Score:87
Arguments:59
Total Votes:105
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A rich person is as unhappy or as happy as a poor person.

Here, a poor person refers to a person who has the three basic necessaties of life: Food, shelter and clothing, just that he has much less of it than a rich person....

 

Life becomes complex and more stressful as you become richer. Tensions, worries and maintaining that standard of living makes one's life more hectic. For a poor person, life is less complex and hence less stressful. 

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Side Score: 41
1 point

Happiness is chemical. It isn't measured by the amount of money you have.

If you are rich, you can still be JUST as unhappy as a poor person considering the circumstances.

I will say, however, that money makes it easier to deal with grief.

Side: Agreed
garry77777(1794) Disputed
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"Happiness is chemical. It isn't measured by the amount of money you have"

Really, it's all so simple and clear now, hey, why don't you give up everything you own and go live on the street, after all, as long as you keep yourself "chemically balanced" you'll be just fine;-)

"If you are rich, you can still be JUST as unhappy as a poor person considering the circumstances."

No, this isn't actually true, when you are poor, you are have to be concerned with much more basic necessities such as food, shelter, making sure you don't die, etc.

When the earthquake struck Haiti (incidentally, your country is largely responsible for the systematica rape and pilage of that impoverished nation), the population was catapulted into survival mode, the kind of unhappy you speak off simply doesn't compare.

Supporting Evidence: Maslow's hierarchy (en.wikipedia.org)
Side: Wrong!
ThePyg(6743) Disputed
1 point

So what you're saying is that earthquakes can't effect rich people... and that the chemical structure of a human being's brain is less of a factor in their mental well being than material objects...

this is why I don't take you seriously most of the time...

Side: Agreed
AryaOne(217) Disputed
1 point

Maslow's hierarchy talks about the hierarchy of 'needs' which is not in any way related to the intensity of happiness. It does not and can not prove that achieving the top level needs will give one ultimate happiness. His study is based on human needs and motivation. Their relation with happiness is still debatable.

Side: Agreed

When one has everything they could ever wish for, what is there to want in life?

Side: Agreed
Liber(1728) Disputed
3 points

Without wanting something in life, what is the point to being alive?

Side: Wrong!
3 points

I fail to see how that disputes my post. Of anything that just supports it.

Side: Agreed
0 points

i'm going to tell that rich person unhappy, because they can't and couldn't feel condition and emotions which poor people felt. For example, when affluent persons have earned some substance or achievements moreover never dissutesfieid, but in case of poor people, they are also dissutesfieid, however, they are happy for each cent.

Side: Agreed
3 points

i believe whether your rich or poor we all of us have problems in our lives. people tent to say more money more problems but it all how you choose to live your life.

poor people are usually stressed because they don't have money and rich people are stressed because they use their money to buy substance abuse, they have fake friends, and they cant handle being rich

Side: Wrong!
2 points

I was actually going to make a debate on this very topic, a few days back but didn't bother, except I was going to propose the converse, i.e. "nobody suffers like the poor suffer"

Frankly, I think it's quite stupid to suggest that life becomes harder as one becomes richer, that to me sounds like the whining of a rich person who has never experienced any real hardshp in their life. A rich person trying to claim their lifes is as hard (or harder) than a poor person is in my opinion the epitome of ignorance.

Side: Wrong!
3 points

Why do you believe this? Why is it ignorant to say that people suffer even though they are rich?

The rich suffer in a different way than the poor this much is true but they still suffer. Look at self-made people, who are you to say that they have not or do not suffer? What do you know of their life? What if their success was only through a great deal of hardship that left them emotionally bare or perhaps physically scarred. What if they lost their dearest friends to get to where they are? What if to reach the top of the mountain they now stand upon they had to win the most Pyrrhic victory of their life?

Side: Agreed
2 points

Look, no one is saying that the rich don't suffer. Sure, rich folks suffer, but they don't suffer anything like the poor do. The rich have problems like how they're going to balance the budget of their corporation, or what kind of huge diamond product they're going to get for their wife. The poor have problems like how they're going to survive the night in a cold, unforgiving alley, or how they're going to provide a simple meal for their children. There's just no comparison.

Side: Wrong!
garry77777(1794) Disputed
2 points

"Why do you believe this? "

Personal experience and observation.

"Why is it ignorant to say that people suffer even though they are rich?"

Because it demonstrates not only your inabilty to judge the harsh reality of this world, but it shows your willingness to rationalise injustice by any means.

"The rich suffer in a different way than the poor this much is true but they still suffer. "

Please.

"What do you know of their life?"

I know my own life, and that's enough.

"What if their success was only through a great deal of hardship that left them emotionally bare or perhaps physically scarred."

Oh no, emotionally bare and physically scarred you say, well I guess I'll have to rethink my whole conception of existence.

"What if they lost their dearest friends to get to where they are?"

Ya, what if they did, what the hell are you saying?

Side: Wrong!
2 points

There was something in the news somewhere recently, about a banker who 'only got £350K a year', and struggled getting through life, as his million pound house + private school fees were really dragging him down. He said that the stress of his life is ridiculous, and no one understands his problems except for those with money.

Such stupidity.

Side: Wrong!
2 points

Are you rich? Have you been in his place and do you understand what comes with it? Do you feel you are judging him based off of your own life and what you believe it would be like if you were in his position?

Just something to chew on.

Side: Agreed
AryaOne(217) Disputed
1 point

I hope you understand the definition of a 'poor person' in this debate.

a poor person refers to a person who has the three basic necessities of life: Food, shelter and clothing, just that he has much less of it than a rich person.

I am not referring to people who barely get enough to eat. Obviously they are much MUCH unhappier than the rest of the world.

Side: Agreed
garry77777(1794) Disputed
2 points

"I hope you understand the definition of a 'poor person' in this debate."

I understood it and I intetionally dismissed it, I think it's disingenuous to preclude from the discussion the people who lack the basic necessities of life.

"I am not referring to people who barely get enough to eat. Obviously they are much MUCH unhappier than the rest of the world."

If you're going to create a debate about how happy rich people are as compared to poor people you need to take each end of the spectrum into account.

Side: Wrong!
1 point

There is no more important struggle than the struggle for survival.

If you compare two people, one who is stressing about how to feed his family, and another who is stressing about how to feed his family at the Ritz, the severity of the first person's situation is much greater.

A wealthy person with a steady income doesn't have to worry about how he would feed his family if he lost his job tomorrow. A poor person with a steady income might not be able to buy food in a week if he lost his job tomorrow.

I'm not saying that being poor and happy is impossible, but a happy poor person will be more happy if they can overcome those struggles to survive.

Side: Wrong!
AryaOne(217) Clarified
1 point

I'd say the same to you too.

I hope you understand the definition of a 'poor person' in this debate.

a poor person refers to a person who has the three basic necessities of life: Food, shelter and clothing, just that he has much less of it than a rich person

A wealthy person with a steady income doesn't have to worry about how he would feed his family if he lost his job tomorrow. A poor person with a steady income might not be able to buy food in a week if he lost his job tomorrow.

Agreed. That's one plus point for a rich person. But think about this: the kind of responsibilities, stress and risks he has to KEEP that job are much more than those of a poor person's job.

Side: Agreed
ArionaAllant(212) Clarified
1 point

"A poor person refers to a person who has the three basic necessities of life: Food, shelter and clothing, just that he has much less of it than a rich person."

That does not account for what the term "poor" when referring to a person's economical status actually defines. That is typically referred to as lower middle class. You cannot pick and choose what definition you wish to use when stating, "as a poor person." You cannot mix and match.

Side: Agreed
1 point

Generally that's not really true...there are studies that prove that. But sometimes that can be true, to each his own you know...

Side: Wrong!
1 point

I think all people are suffering from something in their life, it does not depend on whether you are rich or poor. Money does not bring happiness, they just give you joy and satisfaction in life, because rich people can afford to buy anything he wants except of health. They can buy luxurous cars, brand clothes, can travel around the world and of course all of this bring them the joy of life.

Side: Wrong!
1 point

they don't even know what being sad is all about. They honestly think that they understand being unhappy? they can by anything in the world they want. there are few things they cannot buy

Side: Wrong!
1 point

i'm sure it depends of personality and carachter of people, nobody can predict what kind of people they are in fact i mean about rich people? so, we can't say surely, that each rich person is as unhappy or as happy as poor person. Rich person he will be happy if money which he earned by himself, that person really happy so much, if he got perfect family, wife who loves him, children are proud you.

Side: Wrong!

A rich man will find happiness if he shares his money with others. If he sees a homeless person and gives him a hundred dollars, he will feel happy inside. If a rich man keeps all his money to himself, then he will not be happy.

Side: Wrong!
AryaOne(217) Disputed
1 point

Really? Are you rich? I assume that since you are able to use the internet you must be earning comfortably well. Middle class at least? So, do you share your money and feel happy inside?

Side: Agreed