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 A truly fair Democracy,can it exist? (7)

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A truly fair Democracy,can it exist?

Our current form of democracy, widely known as Representative Democracy, seems to me to be unfair in its proposed idea of an equal voice of all involved. Due to minority rule in conventional democracies, outlined in CGPGrey's youtube channel, i would like an opinion on the alternative: Mixed-Member proportional Democracy, also explained on the previously mentioned channel. 

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New Zealand has MMP so if you want to live in a truly democratic democracy do what our family did and move here. then realise that although your nation is truly democratic it has to answer the larger not as democratic nations in this world. :-(

our current government is terrible, and the system only works perfectly when one party does not have 51% of the vote. well their clearly not going to win the next election so no need to worry.

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It is quite saddening to hear, but the constant re-election of the same party may be a result of Gerrymandering.

in case you're not familiar with the term: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mky11UJb9AY

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One problem with that. We are not a democracy nor a representative democratic. We are a republic, more specifically, a republic with a democratic system of voting.

However, a true democracy can never exists. It's a great idea, but then you have the problem of majority rule trumping the rights of the minority. The Greeks tried it for a while, and it didn't work out so hot for them. The Romans democratically elected the Emperors, who just took over. It just never seems to work in history, so I don't think it will in the future.

Gowan(49) Disputed
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true democracy can work... on a small scale, were talking of tribes here. but or nations you're right it can't work.

Scout143(652) Clarified
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In a smaller environment, yes it works great. I agree with you on that. Like a local election for a sheriff or mayor or local issues.

xBetzy(123) Disputed
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Republic:

noun

1.a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.

2. any body of persons viewed as a commonwealth.

3. a state in which the head of government is not a monarch or other hereditary head of state.

This is the alternative that I spoke of in the description.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU

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I like the idea, especially being a third-party supporter myself. I feel I don't get any representation and my vote doesn't count.

However, when they said it prevents minority rule, that made me pause. Our current system prevents that as well, since majority rules in the Congress and the Senate for issues. A problem I foresee is that a majority rule of one party or a coalition would trounce on the rights of the minority or the individual. A Republic prevents this. I don't like how the definition you used defines a Republic. A Republic is a country ruled by law. We create the laws democratically. Your definition could apply to both a Republic or a Democracy, which the two have great differences between them.

Personally though, I like the idea you have proposed. It would make me feel better as a voter and a citizen.

I like this video because it explains the differences between a Republic and a Democracy.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KFXuGIpsdE0

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As a libertarian, I support the idea of a democratic republic. The leaders are elected democratically and then they enforce the rule of law. It is a balance of sorts.