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59
Pro-Choice Pro-Life
Debate Score:125
Arguments:75
Total Votes:163
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 Pro-Choice (41)
 
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Abortion

Abortion: Right or Wrong?

Pro-Choice

Side Score: 66
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Pro-Life

Side Score: 59
4 points

It really is the mother's decision. If she isn't wanting to take care of it who will? Yes the father maybe... but what if your raped, what if you didnt want the baby and the husband altered the birthcontrol pills into something else. Yes you could put it into an adoption agency, but what if they grow up wonderign why there parents gave them up? They would feel like crap thinking that there parents hated them, and be suicidel. No one deserves the live of bouncing around in foster homes, thinking no one loves them. They may get into a caring family but do you know how many kids get into crappy situations? It is the persons decisions, we souldnt have a law saying this is a bad thing to do. Its a moral and a value we all have and we all have different views. why should we care about what other people do with there lives. especally people we dont even know.

Side: PRO-LIFE
andixrox2325(9) Disputed
2 points

im sorry but i would much rather have my baby in heaven then on earth if i couldn't take care of it. i don't understand why we feel that we get to dictate what other people can do with their bodies. different people have different morals and we can't tell them what to think or feel. it's not right to tell people what to think or feel then they aren't who they are anymore.

Side: PRO-LIFE
Edward78(9) Disputed
1 point

Most adopted children do not become suicidal. they might wonder about their biological parents but i wouldnt say they think that they hated them. giving up your child for adoption is an act of love rather than hate

Side: PRO-LIFE
THETRUTH88(25) Disputed
-1 points

Why should you kill a innocent baby? That is exactly what abortion is. Even though the mother does not want the baby, she should still have it. Most of the people who want an abortion and never go through with it, actually say they would regret killing the baby. Should America become "I get to do whatever I want to just because I can"?

Side: PRO-LIFE
4 points

When a fetus hasnt been born yet it isnt a person to me. If somethign cannot live without something for it to hook up to for life support it isnt alive. It isnt alive until it is born. It could be way more hazardous to the mother than the child.

Side: PRO-CHOICE
2 points

abortion is alright with me... obviously a mother who wants an abortion is not planning on taking care of the baby. if she doesn't terminate the pregancy, who's gonna take care of the baby? not her. are you?

Side: PRO-CHOICE
2 points

It's about freedom - a woman's freedom to control her own body, and a couple's freedom to decide when is a good time to bring a child into the world.

Side: PRO-CHOICE
Stylz(18) Disputed
1 point

Simply to play devil's advocate....you say "its about freedom-a woman's freedom to control her own body". However, once she becomes pregnant...is it only her body then? Her body is supporting another life so one can make the argument that she is then sharing her body with another being and it is no longer her own.

Side: PRO-LIFE
2 points

Imagine this scenario:

A woman is walking to her house, all of a sudden a man grabs her from an alley. He rapes her. Should the woman be forced to have the baby of the man who raped her?

Even if the baby was put up for adoption, the woman would go through all the pain of having a baby, and the medical fees, and the baby might not be adopted.

Side: PRO-CHOICE
1 point

your stupid. obviously a person can choose what they want to do it should be up to the mother or father to decide what they would like to do with their unborn child

Side: PRO-CHOICE
Edward23 Disputed
1 point

Well I'm glad we've already gotten to name calling. I'm glad we can all get along.

Side: PRO-LIFE
heath10(2) Disputed
0 points

bahaha yes im just that mature and do those kind of things lol but no we cannot get along cuz well yeah

Side: PRO-CHOICE
siouxrock(9) Disputed
1 point

No it isn't stupid. A person shouldn't be allowed to kill a future child. They are willing enough to create the child and I believe that they need to own up to their own responsibilities. It was their choice to tango and they need to pay up for it. God wanted the child there for a reason. There is always adoption as an option!

Side: PRO-LIFE
1 point

Even if a zygote or early term fetus was a person (which it isn't)...

And even if that person had all the rights that other people have (which it doesn't)....

I sure as hell don't have the right to commandeer someone else's body against their will for nine months to keep myself alive and neither does a fetus. The only way to argue that a woman doesn't have the right to terminate a pregnancy she doesn't want is to declare her body to be a piece of property that she doesn't have the right to final say over the use of. And it's just that simple.

Side: PRO-CHOICE
Edward23 Disputed
1 point

At what point do you believe the zygote becomes a "person"? Also, are you meaning to say that the fetus purposefully "commandeered" the mother's body? I don't believe the baby had a choice which body it wanted to inhabit.

Side: PRO-LIFE
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

At what point do you believe the zygote becomes a "person"? Also, are you meaning to say that the fetus purposefully "commandeered" the mother's body? I don't believe the baby had a choice which body it wanted to inhabit.

The easy answer is when it is born. The more complicated answer is when it has developed its brain.

Side: PRO-CHOICE
1 point

god isn't real. the bible is just a fricking book written thousands of years ago to entertain a bunch of dimwits when they weren't out hunting and gathering or fighting in wars. it's just a series of letters written between a bunch of crackpot "saints" writing in code to try to fool the romans. so if your basing your opinion on abortion because you love to read the bible and follow god's word, your sadly mistaken... abortions are right up my alley. ROCK ON!!!!!

Side: PRO-CHOICE
Edward23 Disputed
1 point

Well, we're all allowed to have an opinion, but the point of this website, I believe, is not to bring other people down. If you think the Bible isn't real, that's your choice, but don't insult other people's beliefs just because you don't agree. I hope that this doesn't get too personal.

Side: PRO-LIFE

If someone is a strict constructionist who interprets the Constitution word for word, the sanction for abortion is given under the Fourteenth Amendment.

The Fourteenth Amendment of our U.S. Constitution defines a citizen “a citizen” at birth. If a woman is carrying a fetus in the womb, the U.S. Constitution does not designate the fetus as “a citizen.” It would take an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to declare a fetus a citizen. You have to be born in order to be recognized as a citizen. Therefore, a woman does have the right to choose. A fetus inside the womb is not designated as a citizen according to the U.S. Constitution so by default is not entitled to life, liberty, or prosperity. You have to be born in order to be endowed with those privileges. To conclude, neither the Federal government nor any of the States can deny a woman the right to choose.

If abortion is murder, abortion would have been terminated years ago due to the cruel and unusual punishment clause under the Eighth Amendment. Again, proof that a fetus is not recognized as a citizen of the United States of America.

Side: Pro-Choice
0 points

yeah so people have the right to decide. certain things happen in life and some people may not be able to support a baby. if a girl gets raped and becomes pregnant does she really want to carry that man's child? i wouldn't. plus some women have serious conditions so if they do carry a child to term they could die in labor. this is not good and they should have an abortion to save their life. it's simply not our choice to decide what people want to do with their bodies and if they feel it is not killing someone then it is not on our plates it is on theirs.

Side: PRO-CHOICE
Edward23 Disputed
1 point

Good argument. I'm being serious by the way. But the percentage of women who end up getting pregnant by rape is a meager .6%. I know that's still a percentage, but not as big of one as you may be thinking.

Side: PRO-LIFE
3 points

if she cant care for it there are plenty or people out there who want a child of thier own and cannot have one you can always give the child up for adoption

Side: PRO-LIFE
heckman17(10) Disputed
2 points

adoption is a piece of shit institution. all the kids who would have been aborted get put up for adoption. what now? thousands of more kids getting shuffled around in foster care, oh boy! and by the way, god isn't real.

Side: PRO-CHOICE
andixrox2325(9) Disputed
3 points

adoption is not a piece of shit. i sure as hell would rather have my kid (if i had to give them up) go to someone who has had background checks and various other things before they can adopt. Foster homes aren't even with adoption. those are totaly different things and are bad but not related.

Side: PRO-LIFE
Edward78(9) Disputed
3 points

babies that are adopted are given to families who want to raise them, not to just put up with them for a few months so they wouldnt be "shuffled around in foster care" they would be in permanent homes so your argument is invaild

Side: PRO-LIFE
heath10(2) Disputed
2 points

lol well im so glad that we are choosing to argue that god isnt real... i really dont think you know whether or not that he actually does exist

Side: PRO-LIFE
2 points

A baby is a life. no one has the right to decide who lives and who dies. the parents should have been more careful if they didnt want a child

Side: PRO-LIFE
aveskde(1935) Disputed
2 points

"A baby is a life. no one has the right to decide who lives and who dies. the parents should have been more careful if they didnt want a child"

You just made a case against infanticide, not abortion.

Side: PRO-CHOICE
1 point

Yeah, people who keep thinking that abortion is murdering a child should all be murdered... just joking ok, so don't go reporting me to the Feds or anything... just saying...

Side: PRO-CHOICE
0 points

Would you want to be killed without a choice? That's disgusting!! Life is a gift, and the people that kill their children are sinners and will go to hell!!

Side: PRO-LIFE
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

Would you want to be killed without a choice? That's disgusting!! Life is a gift, and the people that kill their children are sinners and will go to hell!!

Strictly speaking there is no "you" until you're months old and have developed the cognitive ability of self-awareness. Until that point you're just flesh, basically.

By the way, there is no afterlife. Just putting that out there for you.

Side: PRO-CHOICE
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
-1 points

I take it from that statement then that you are also against capital punishment, and for Universal Healthcare.

Christians are such hypocrites, I seriously dislike you people.

1. It has no more feelings or emotions than this keypad I'm typing on until the 3rd trimester, and then about as much feeling and emotion as a grasshopper.

2. If you don't want an abortion, you don't have to get one. Why every Jesus Cannibal thinks they have to dictate everyone else's life is a mystery to me.

3. Even if you somehow managed make it illegal, guess what, there would still be just as many abortions.

The only difference is that they will get abortions in dirty basements like they did before it was legal, and more mothers would die.

So "Pro-Life" would actually end up costing more life.

Congratulations, way to kill a bunch of young mothers Edward. Jesus isn't going to give you a cookie now.

Side: PRO-CHOICE
Edward78(9) Disputed
0 points

Maybe those "young mothers" should have kept their legs shut if they didn't want a baby.

Side: PRO-LIFE
krog96(5) Disputed
0 points

those mothers deserve to die that baby WILL have emotions, but if you believe in your oppinions so much, maybe your mother should have had an abortion, the world would have one less imbecile. besides "You would have as much emotion as a grasshopper

Side: PRO-LIFE
2 points

While abortion may not be considered as murder or manslaughter, one thing is for sure. By going ahead with an abortion, you are denying someone, or atleast something life. Life is the most sacred, fundamental right of a human being. While an unborn may not be considered a human being, the fetus would've been a human being. Therefore, you reuse to give life to something that would've been a person.

Had the fetus not been terminated, it could've had so much potential. It would grow up to be a child. It would get to listen to music, smell the first day of spring and catch the first glimpse of snow. Everything we take for granted in life and life itself, is taken from the fetus.

Many argue that an unborn child does not have consciousness and therefore, it is morally acceptable to undergo an abortion. In the same sense, is it alright to inject lethal toxin into a child that has been sedated for his whole life? Pro-choice people are therefore saying that we can deny life to something that has never experienced consciousness. This argument is irrational and morally incorrect.

What's more worrying is that the mother of a fetus makes this decision. The very provider of life and sustenance refuses to let her unborn child live. It is not her choice to make. It is no one's choice to make. No one should have the authority to deny an unborn child life. Imagine the world without you, because your mother had an abortion. You would never live all of your experiences. You would never have emotions. You would've never existed. Such is the travesty of abortion. Over a million lives, of which collectively would add up to over 70 million years, would never be lived.

Rape, sadly does happen. But legalizing abortion does not solve the problem. If we want to reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies as a result of rape, then we need to tackle the issue of rape itself. Harsher penalities, stricter monitoring policies, promoting rape whistles, reducing poverty and a nationwide sex offender registry are all possible solutions for this. Reducing the amount of unwanted pregnancies from rape down to zero is next to impossible, but we can get this number a lot lower.

Unwanted adult and teenage pregnancies can be solved by removing the social stigma associated with contraceptives. Pharmacies and the government should advocate the use of condoms or birth control pills as a way to enjoy sex without any unwanted consequences.

Abortion means denying the opportunity of life to what would've been a someone. We cannot continue with this madness.

Side: PRO-LIFE
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

While abortion may not be considered as murder or manslaughter, one thing is for sure. By going ahead with an abortion, you are denying someone, or atleast something life. Life is the most sacred, fundamental right of a human being. While an unborn may not be considered a human being, the fetus would've been a human being. Therefore, you reuse to give life to something that would've been a person.

It's a poetic argument but it's deeply irrational because the sentiment you employed isn't used for anything else in the world. Specifically I'm referring to the fact that the choices we make often deny others life in some obscure way. For example, assuming you live in the United States, by voting in leaders who continue to engage in war, you are enabling people in a far away country the right to life. But it gets worse, but refusing to lobby or protest for military action in Somalia you are allowing an area of the world to exist which destroys lives every second. How about poverty? How many people in the favelas in Brasil are being butchered as we speak and yet we're doing nothing?

Let's take the argument to its logical extremes. If you've ever used birth control, or engaged in any form of sexual act without procreation as the aim, you are destroying millions of cells that could have been a person. Suppose you only ever engaged in reproductive sex, what about spontaneous abortions that happen all the time and are not even noticed? How about our recent advances in biology, specifically genetic engineering and cloning. How much DNA have you destroyed that could have been cloned into another person?

The only point I'm trying to make is that although your argument is very kind in its intentions and poetic, it's too absolute to apply to life in this world. We have to recognise that lives can have priority. Sure a fetus could be a person, but the mother is already a person and her wants and needs outweigh a possible person. Sure, the starving and innocent in South America deserve support, but first we need to get our country better off so that we can afford the massive donations to infrastructure.

Side: PRO-CHOICE
1 point

Yea, christians aren't perfect. But is anybody else? If you were responsible you would have done the right thing in the first place, but obviously if you are in the abortion state, you weren't responsible. If you aren't prepared for what might happen due to your own actions, then don't do it. If you don't risk mistakes then you wouldn't be put into the situation.

Side: PRO-LIFE
1 point

Abortion truly is one of the great travesties of modern times. Millions of murders have been committed by misguided women who have been convinced that ending the life of their innocent child is alright.

Life is an ever-progressing journey. It has a beginning and an end. We as humans are constantly changing. I, at the age of 20, am not the same person I was 2 years ago. When I am 40 I will not be the same person. We are constantly growing from the moment of conception until the moment we breathe our last breath.

To cut life off at any moment in this contingency that we call "life" is murder. We know that human life technically begins at conception. That's all that needs to be said.

What I cannot stand are those who hide behind woman's rights. This is ridiculous. A little while ago, I created my very own you-tube video on this very issue. It furthers my argument

Abortion: Not a Woman's Right
Side: PRO-LIFE
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

"Abortion truly is one of the great travesties of modern times. Millions of murders have been committed by misguided women who have been convinced that ending the life of their innocent child is alright."

Murder is an act which is committed upon persons. A fetus is not a person. Have you ever accidentally cut off a sliver of your skin? You've just killed more cells in that act than the typical abortion.

How can you live with yourself murdering so many cells throughout your lifetime?

"Life is an ever-progressing journey. It has a beginning and an end. We as humans are constantly changing. I, at the age of 20, am not the same person I was 2 years ago. When I am 40 I will not be the same person. We are constantly growing from the moment of conception until the moment we breathe our last breath."

However, you are self aware of this journey. A fetus isn't even aware that it is alive. It is a mass of cells with minimal brain tissue if any exists at all.

"To cut life off at any moment in this contingency that we call "life" is murder. We know that human life technically begins at conception. That's all that needs to be said."

For black and white thinkers such as yourself, that's all that you can understand. You lack a deep understanding of what life exactly is.

Life for us legally begins at birth. Practically speaking it begins when we are first self-aware, which is well beyond the mere fetus stage.

Taking your argument to extremes, every skin cell is a potential life, ready for propagation through activation of totipotentcy and cloning, or enucleation of a host zygote, insertion of your purified DNA and implantation into a host uterus. Every time you shed dander you are a mass murderer, congratulations.

"What I cannot stand are those who hide behind woman's rights. This is ridiculous. A little while ago, I created my very own you-tube video on this very issue. It furthers my argument"

It's a womans' rights issue because to be a part of a free society means having ownership and jurisprudence over your own body. By letting political groups take over this very important right of a woman over her own body, you are overstepping your boundaries and effectively hijacking her reproductive organs for your own moral agenda.

Maybe you would have empathy for women on this topic if political activists were campaigning to take control of your ejaculations, arguing that a single sperm is a life, and unless each and every sperm is conserved for female impregnation, you were committing murder.

Side: PRO-CHOICE
Lockjawx27(25) Disputed
0 points

"Murder is an act which is committed upon persons. A fetus is not a person. Have you ever accidentally cut off a sliver of your skin? You've just killed more cells in that act than the typical abortion."

This is where we have a fundamental disagreement. I see the zygote as human life. Not a cell that is part of a mammal. The zygote, if allowed to continue growing naturally, will become a human being. Therefore, to terminate this human life is murder.

"However, you are self aware of this journey. A fetus isn't even aware that it is alive. It is a mass of cells with minimal brain tissue if any exists at all."

This is rather dangerous thinking. Whether a the fetus is self-aware or not does not prove or disprove it's humanity. I take it you are gun-ho on euthanasia, possibly even as radical as Peter Singer on these issues.

"Life for us legally begins at birth. Practically speaking it begins when we are first self-aware, which is well beyond the mere fetus stage."

What you fail to realize is that I am not concerned with the legality of this concept of life. this is a profound moral issue.

You keep harping the point that life begins at the stage of self-awareness. This is very comical because technically we don't know when that is yet, and we may never know. So to base your argument for the beginning of life on an assumption makes for a very weak point.

"Taking your argument to extremes, every skin cell is a potential life, ready for propagation through activation of totipotentcy and cloning, or enucleation of a host zygote, insertion of your purified DNA and implantation into a host uterus. Every time you shed dander you are a mass murderer, congratulations."

The zygote that results from intercourse naturally will form into a fetus. Dander will not naturally form into a fetus, unless one goes through means of the things that you've just described; man-made, unnatural means. That's the difference.

"It's a womans' rights issue because to be a part of a free society means having ownership and jurisprudence over your own body."

Sure, up until the point where there is another human life inside that body. There are now two humans rather than one. What about the right of the human inside the woman? You seem to ignore that human's rights.

"you are overstepping your boundaries and effectively hijacking her reproductive organs for your own moral agenda."

And the woman who has an abortion essentially agrees to assist a doctor in murdering her child by sucking it's brains out. This, of course, is for her own selfish, arrogant, and unethical agenda.

"Maybe you would have empathy for women on this topic if political activists were campaigning to take control of your ejaculations, arguing that a single sperm is a life"

When you find a human being that came from a single sperm alone, let me know. Otherwise, what you just typed is ridiculous. No one would possibly even argue that under any circumstances (except you of course).

Side: PRO-LIFE
krog96(5) Disputed
0 points

ur retarted " black and white thinkers" there is NO GREY AREA in this argument

Side: PRO-LIFE
1 point

Look, we need a better solution, one that actually solves the problem of having an abortion that also protects innocent lives. The answer: prevent unwanted conception.

If we made a crackdown on all unwanted pregnancies, we would then start making a difference. This could involve fining people who have unprotected sex by registering for conception prior to having sex, handing out hefty fines and jail time to those who actually do have unwanted sex, and then using this money to promote awareness and to educate adolescents about safe sex. Abortion is no longer a necessity, and pro-creationists can have their fill. Choice will no longer be an issue of discussion.

Side: Promote a Better Solution
NVYN(289) Disputed
1 point

I like how you've become more radical with your ideas :)

Most great ideas are radical, but there's a downside: You have to be prepared to defend it from those who don't like radical ideas. You'll also need to refine this idea to make it workable and more convincing.

Something like this might work better: Keep abortions legal and well regulated but make it expensive, effectively imposing a monetary fine on unwanted pregnancies, a jail term may be considered to further deter unwanted pregnancies. Over time, this program will be just like the introduction of seatbelts in cars, people will no longer need to be reminded to avoid unwanted pregnancies, effectively eliminating abortions.

Side: PRO-CHOICE
1 point

Okay, agreed then, finally.

One question: If abortions are made more expensive, then what happens to pregnant women at the time? Or pecome impregnated a few nights before? Are they fined the full amount? There could be problems there if they were...

Side: Promote a Better Solution
1 point

Destroying a fetus is like destroying a part of yourself. One's genes, blood and cells are within the body of a their fetus, yet they undergo an abortion and prevent a human life from being lived. A fetus does not deserve to be denied life, because the fetal stage is probably is the stage of life where we are morally the most neutral. We cannot think for ourselves, nor can we comprehend good or bad. On this basis, infants are also considered innocent. Why deny life to something that does not deserve such a fate?

Side: PRO-LIFE
1 point

Have you ever considered the people who think abortion is okay have been born? Just a thought.

Side: PRO-LIFE
1 point

It's wrong to kill a child just because you don't want to raise it. You knew the risk when you chose to have sex. As for rape cases, your right to choose was stolen from you, but that does not give you the right to take away someones right to live.

There is always adoption if you don't want to raise your child. And yes it's a child. Just because it's smaller and less developed does not make it any less of a child. Just like a child being smaller and less developed than an adult does not make it any less human.

Side: PRO-LIFE
1 point

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/the_face_of_abortion.html

now tell me if you think they're human

Side: PRO-LIFE
1 point

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Side: PRO-LIFE
1 point

There is always adoption if you don't want to raise your child. And yes it's a child. Just because it's smaller and less developed does not make it any less of a child. Just like a child being smaller and less developed than an adult does not make it any less human.

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Side: PRO-LIFE
0 points

A baby is a baby the moment the sperm meets the egg. Even though the heartbeat does not start until later, it's still a baby in my eyes.

Side: PRO-LIFE
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

"A baby is a baby the moment the sperm meets the egg. Even though the heartbeat does not start until later, it's still a baby in my eyes."

You should be more careful of beliefs like this, because they are a double-edged sword.

To clarify, when you believe in something as absurd as that, you are also arguing that a baby (as in, the life which has exited the womb) is equal to a single ball of cytoplasm in value and respectability.

In other words, you define the concept of "baby" to be so wide that the word no longer engenders feelings of protection to fetuses, or even zygotes, but instead spills over the image of an incomplete, mass of of cells with no self-awareness onto post-birth babies.

All of a sudden a baby is a mass of tissues and a brain with no true self awareness, all because you thought it sentimental to attach its name onto a mass of an obvious pre-life.

Side: PRO-CHOICE
mayedh01(3) Disputed
1 point

If it is not considered life when the egg is fertilized and is starting to grow, the when does it become a life. Where is the line between a incomplete mass of cells and a life. If a woman miscarries is she wrong to fell like she lost her child. Oh, and since when does self-awareness determine life, a man in a coma is still human.

Side: PRO-LIFE
andixrox2325(9) Disputed
0 points

its a baby in your eyes but are you having an abortion? i don't think so so its not your opinion they need to be worried about.

Side: PRO-CHOICE
Edward78(9) Disputed
1 point

well if you found out you were pregnant, would you consider it a baby?

Side: PRO-LIFE