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Debate Score:203
Arguments:88
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Gun control

Proponents of more gun control laws state that the Second Amendment was intended for militias; that gun violence would be reduced; that gun restrictions have always existed; and that a majority of Americans, including gun owners, support new gun restrictions.

Opponents say that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to own guns; that guns are needed for self-defense from threats ranging from local criminals to foreign invaders; and that gun ownership deters crime rather than causes more crime. (ProCon.org. (2016, February 18). Gun Control ProCon.org. Retrieved from https://guncontrol.procon.org)

Proponents of more gun control

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Opponents of gun control

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1 point

I think that we should take away guns since it creates easily creates an opportunity to kill someone. Another thing that I think that we should take away from other countries such as Japan, is that it is not that easy to get a gun, there are multiple tests that you have to go through and background checks just to get your license, in which most people in japan don't even bother to get a gun anymore. In which should be the case for most of us, another thing that I might add is that since the crime rate is so low in japan that most police officers don't even carry guns anymore.

Side: Proponents of more gun control
DrewC(2) Disputed
1 point

I would say the claim that guns easily create an opportunity to kill someone holds some truth, but they can be quite pricey, and for the most part, one has to go through a background check. If someone wants to kill someone, they have the means regardless and taking away guns is not going to eliminate those people from society nor their urges. The thing that differentiates the United States and Japan is that Japan is an island thus it is easier to smuggle things in than that of a landlocked country like America where the southern border has many crossings where many things could be smuggled in. Also the culture surrounding guns in Japan is vastly different than America's.

Side: Opponents of gun control
dwin26(2) Disputed
1 point

I understand your input, but looking at this way, a gun can easily kill multiple people at once. If we look at school shootings, many have died because of guns and that's because they easily have access to it and they could easily kill multiple people and in most cases guns are always associated with crime. Why? Because it's literally the easiest way to kill somebody. No one should have access to such a dangerous weapon and the sole purpose of a gun is to what?, end a person's life. And even if Japan's culture is vastly different than America's, it's important that we see that they have very low crime rates concerning guns and we should once again, follow their steps on acquiring a gun harder.

Side: Proponents of more gun control
JakeLad(4) Disputed
1 point

Cars create an easy opportunity to kill someone. I also don't think that Japan is a comparable example because they have no bordering countries, and so all black markets are internal or need to come through seaports.

Side: Opponents of gun control
1 point

There are many factors that lead me to believe that the United States would benefit from stricter gun control laws. The first being that when the 2nd amendment was written into the bill of rights in 1791, our fore fathers never imagined our country to have a world dominating military, country wide police force and standard laws like we do. The 2nd amendment was actually created because "The amendment’s primary justification was to prevent the United States from needing a standing army"(Washington Post). Considering the fact that we do have appointed people to protect us in these situations, I would imagine our founding fathers would no longer require citizens to bear arms. Another aspect to consider when we propose more gun control is that in many states in our country, it is very easy to get access to a gun. In this instance, people who are not capable of handling such a serious weapon are then capable of inflicting mass violence and death in a very short amount of time. Proposing stricter gun control laws and practices is not to say that no US citizen can own a gun.The idea is that if you wish to own a gun, you would go through proper tests and learning to be responsible enough and sound minded enough to own one. Many countries who had adopted stricter gun control laws have benefitted greatly such as Japan where they "seldom have more than 10 shooting deaths a year in a population of 127 million people"(Insider). For these reasons, I feel that stricter gun control laws can and MUST be enacted so we can finally see a decline in mass shootings and gun violence across the country.

References

https://www.businessinsider.com/gun-deaths-nearly-eliminated-in-countries-what-us-can-learn-2017-11

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2018/02/22/what-the-second-amendment-really-meant-to-the-founders/

Side: Proponents of more gun control
1 point

I have to agree with you on your well thought out points here. I think that making the background checks and other checks more thorough would be a great action step in reducing uneducated and bad people from getting guns. I agree with you as well that an outright ban would never work.

Side: Proponents of more gun control
DrewC(2) Clarified
1 point

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Side: Proponents of more gun control
Hootie(429) Disputed
-1 points

I think that making the background checks and other checks more thorough would be a great action step in reducing uneducated and bad people from getting guns.

Are you literally 12 years old? YOU are one of the uneducated people!!!!!!

How exactly do you enforce a law which says only "good people" can buy guns? You are INSANE!!! Every single person in the entire UNITED STATES OF AMERICA who has EVER DONE ANYTHING BAD once had a clean criminal record sheet with zero convictions, and could walk into any store to purchase a gun!!!!!

Side: Opponents of gun control
0 points

I really like what you have stated. It does not make sense to go along with an amendment that was put in act hundreds of years ago, there should be some updates.

Side: Proponents of more gun control
1 point

With that kind of logic what other amendments should we change because they are old? I do not think that the age matters as much as the context of the amendment. Without the second amendment, the first amendment cannot be maintained as it could be taken away within an instant by the right corrupt and devious official. https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/opinion/2018/04/13/our-first-amendment-rights-dependent-second-amendment/516193002/

Side: Proponents of more gun control
1 point

More gun control has proven to work, take a look at New Zealand for example, their laws worked in reducing crime. Or closer to the states, the State with the weakest gun control laws, Mississipi, has the highest gun crime rating. Compared to California which has the most strict gun laws has one of the lowest gun crime rates. The statistics are overwhelming in this favor and prove it works. https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-violence-statistics/#national-rising-violence

Supporting Evidence: Statistics (giffords.org)
Side: Proponents of more gun control
0 points

gun ownership deters crime rather than causes more crime

It’s weird how some people actually think guns are bad for society when it’s so obvious only a fool would dispute the fact the more guns in society the less crime in that society and the more peaceful it is ......I actually think the world is jealous of the US because it’s the 121st least peaceful country in the world and those in more peaceful countries are really envious that their countries cannot be as violent .......

Side: Proponents of more gun control
millylopez(2) Disputed
1 point

Hey Jody, personally I find your argument very interesting but let me tell you why "fools" think guns are bad for society. Gun powder was specifically made to attack opponents as far back as the 9th century. Through out wars, firearms were made to attack opponents, hunt animals and to kill. However, fire arms have killed thousands of civilians in the United States and the death toll from active shooters has risen since 2017 which had 39,773 deaths by gun-related injuries according to the CDC. The United States has the most firearms per capita resulting in ranking the highest in homicide by firearm rates among the world's most developed nations according to the Council on Foreign Relations. Guns have done enough harm to innocent and fortunate lives in America.

Side: Proponents of more gun control
Jody(1786) Clarified
2 points

Hi Milly , I honestly think when one has to place armed guards in schools and places of education one has to accept that they are living in a very dysfunctional society.

I was doing some research into guns in the US and the type for sale and one site had as a promotional “com on” a photo of Rambo brandishing a gun , the glorification and constant promotion of guns as being “manly “ and constantly promoting them as a necessity for any man to protect himself and his family is a direct sales pitch appealing to this much loved wild west frontiers man image of fending of the enemies and the elements in an untamed country

Are guns proggresive or regressive for a society ?

If they are regressive they have little or no part in society , I live in a gun free society even the cops mostly don’t carry guns , do you think gun accidents or deaths would go up or down if guns were introduced in my society ? I think we all know the answer

Side: Proponents of more gun control
1 point

Looking to Switzerland, which has the third-highest ratio of civilian firearms per 100 residents (46), outdone by only the US (89) and Yemen (55), we can see that it is possible to have a society filled with guns and yet not have massive shooting sprees occur. The difference between the US and Switzerland is that they have immense training when it comes to guns and almost every boy has some training when it comes to firearms and their safety. I feel that if the United States did a better job of teaching people about firearms, we could have a similar effect that was shown with the Swiss people. Banning guns only gives the criminals the advantage as they do not care about gun laws and would get a gun on the black market. Banning guns would have the effect of punishing those that follow the laws instead of harming the lawless criminals that commit crime.

Side: Proponents of more gun control
1 point

Hey Jody, personally I find your argument very interesting but let me tell you why "fools" think guns are bad for society.

I'm sorry if we tar you all with the same brush Milly. I understand that isn't fair.

It's just that you have so many people over there who defend this stupidity using every distortion of logic imaginable.

Side: Proponents of more gun control
0 points

I agree with the fact that America needs more control on weapons. People who are not fit to own one can get one very easily, without having strict background checks. At the same time I believe that yes we should still follow the second amendment but there should be some updates on it. When the amendment was created it was 1791. Back then they had much different weapons that could not match anything we have now especially with semi-automatic weapons. This shows that we need some more control and can not do it the same way that was done hundreds of years ago.

Side: Proponents of more gun control
DrewC(2) Disputed
2 points

I agree that the times have changed but I would say that the threat to liberty is still the same. The 2nd amendment came about in order to protect our first amendment rights. Without this, the latter will fail. I agree that fully automatic guns should be banned, which they are with some exceptions as of now. When you say semi-automatic weapons do you mean that or are you meaning fully automatic? I am asking being pistols are semi-automatic and right now it is near impossible to get an automatic weapon in the US.

Side: Opponents of gun control
b_elizabeth Disputed
1 point

Hey anto27,

Interesting point you are making. I think we are on the same boat on some things. I also feel that background checks should be researched more intensively and that requirements to own a gun should be updated to prevent people who are not fit to own guns. However I do see a huge pattern of most mass shootings happening with the use of illegally obtained guns. So in this case I feel like guns will always be obtained illegally regardless of these restrictions.

Side: Opponents of gun control
0 points

It's no longer 1789, it is 2021 and people have taken advantage of owning firearms for their personal use by killing people, killing animals, killing themselves, or causing injuries. The CDC shows there was 14,386 homicides by firearms, 23,079 people lost their battle to suicide using firearms, and 480 people were unintentionally killed by firearms in 2019.

Gun safety laws are put in place to keep civilians protected, to reduce gun violence, and crimes but the statistics show that gun laws in America are not living up to those expectations by allowing society to easily own a firearm meant to kill a target in various states. What do you think?

Side: Proponents of more gun control
1 point

The whole sentence that firearms are meant to kill a target is a bit misleading. Fire arms can be used to sub due a burglar just from the threat of the firearm alone. In countries such as britain where guns are heavily regulated, terrorists go to the next available strategy of using cars to run people over. Should we ban cars as they could be used to kill mass amounts of people easily? The problem in America seems to be a mental health problem and right now there does not seem to be adequate background checks when it comes to buying guns so that definitely needs to get fixed but I do not think banning guns is the way to go. Banning alcohol only lead to bootleggers picking up the supply as the demand was already there. Banning guns could lead to the same type of events where the black market picks up where the legal market left off.

Side: Proponents of more gun control
Hootie(429) Disputed
1 point

The whole sentence that firearms are meant to kill a target is a bit misleading. Fire arms can be used to sub due a burglar just from the threat of the firearm alone.

Or that could just cause the burglar to shoot you in the face with his own gun.

Do you guys not have burglar alarms over there in your country? We've had them over here for years you see.

Why are you so stupid? I just don't understand how an entire nation of people can be so ignorant of common sense.

Side: Opponents of gun control
JakeLad(4) Disputed
1 point

72 million Americans own guns, so all those statistics are marginal in comparison to the sheer magnitude of gun owners. It obviously isn't the guns that are causing these issues, there are several factors at play.

Side: Opponents of gun control
0 points

With the sheer amount of mass shootings arising in the news in recent years it's very clear there is a problem with the current system of gun ownership and acquisition more-over. I believe there needs to be more regulation and actual restrictions and qualifications required before one wishes to own a firearm. Even a requirement for firearms training at some form of shooting range would be better than our current system, which in my case was just my ID saying I was 18. I am a gun owner and advocate for owning guns for the sake of self-defense and hunting, however too many people consider them glorified toys or generally use them with a lack of care. No individual should feel justified in owning a personal arsenal consisting of everything from handguns, shotguns, bolt, semi- and fully automatic rifles and enough ammunition to fortify a small army base for a month. In contrast however that's a touchy topic as our nation could not have succeeded in the colonial era, and we arguably wouldn't be in this world today were it not for the use of firearms and regulated militias against our oppressing government, that right should never be taken away no matter how scary the thought of violent revolution is in the 21st Century. I don't want an outright ban on guns, by no means would it be effective in practice or in process, what I would like is a more regulated process to teaching individuals both gun safety and gun handling techniques.

Side: Proponents of more gun control
1 point

As an aside to that, I'd suggest not going deeper into gun regulation. Seeing as the bare standard for gun ownership is stringent enough and that's not even taking more strict state regulations into account. You also must understand that it's not easy to even acquire these same weapons when government regulation can immediately turn them into illegal items, and you're stuck second guessing your own decision.

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On the note of collecting large amounts of weapons, that should be a none issue, so long as you're legally allowed to have them and you do not intend to use them to break the law. Which the metrics for legal gun owners tends to support the fact that the vast majority do not intend such ill use. Though I will note that for you to collect some of these items such as an automatic weapon. You need to have a federal license, and you must come across them at an affordable price. Such weapons are collectors items after all, and to my knowledge. No new models are being produced here in the US, for private sale.

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As a standard, I believe the government should become more strict when it concerns illegally owned, or traded firearms and those that intend to use them for such means.

Side: Opponents of gun control

I've always liked the idea of common sense gun laws. Unfortunately, common sense isn't exactly all that common. especially when it's politicians who're involved. We've seen plenty throughout the years that tells us, that these people simply don't know the required amount of information necessary to creating such gun laws.

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We already know that many of these guns that they tell us to be wary of and that they vouch should be made illegal. Are weapons that not actually available to the public, unless it's a simple modification that is widely available, much like barrel rails, or extended clips/magazines. This also coincides with thing like the dreaded "gun show loophole" that they like to tout all the time. Even though we know that such a loophole does not actually exist. Especially to the extent that they are trying to make it seem.

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We should focus on dealing with the crime that grips many of these same cities, with overbearing gun laws. As well as work at getting these illegal weapons off the streets.

Side: Opponents of gun control
3 points

if ANYONE on the street could just walk in and buy a gun like a pack of cigs, the world would be a little bit tipped on the wrong side. When I think about how simple it is for someone to get their hands on a firearm that means for me that a mentally unstable person could potentially abuse the power that is held, with this much power to obtain there must be a restriction, strong background checks, long process, etc. I do like the feeling of proctection and I understand how obtaning a firearm can make someone feel safe when needed. I am not COMPLETLY against the idea of guns, there just needs to be enforcement to insurance it is in the right hands.

Side: Opponents of gun control
1 point

When I think about how simple it is for someone to get their hands on a firearm that means for me that a mentally unstable person could potentially abuse the power that is held, with this much power to obtain there must be a restriction, strong background checks, long process, etc. I do like the feeling of proctection and I understand how obtaning a firearm can make someone feel safe when needed. I am not COMPLETLY against the idea of guns, there just needs to be enforcement to insurance it is in the right hands.

I think you've made some fair comments.

The fact is that you can't separate one group of people from the other. If you legalise guns for people who just want to feel safe, then you also legalise them for people looking to make threats and/or commit violence. Guns are always going to be more useful for the second group.

Side: Opponents of gun control
2 points

I think they should close the loophole that one does not need to have a background check if buying a gun at a gunshow. This loophole undermines the entire cause of the gun control laws we have enacted.

Side: Opponents of gun control
Hootie(429) Disputed
1 point

I think they should close the loophole that one does not need to have a background check if buying a gun at a gunshow.

That isn't how criminals are getting guns. They get them through through straw purchases, corrupt gun dealerships and theft.

Side: Proponents of more gun control
DrewC(2) Disputed
3 points

This is one avenue a criminal could go to obtain a firearm. It looks like what you are proving is that criminals won't follow the law when it comes to obtaining a firearm. Weird to think that more gun control would sway them to start obtaining guns legally... How odd that criminals are stealing guns, if only it was illegal to steal guns...

Side: Opponents of gun control
DrChamberlin(138) Clarified
1 point

There is no gun show loophole. If you are a licensed seller of firearms, and you sell a weapon to anyone that should not possess it. Then you are in violation of the law, which is why all FFL holders are required to give these background checks. Not doing so leads to severe fines, and a lengthy jail sentence of 5 to 10 years.

This even comes into play with personal sells of firearms, between someone who isn't licensed and anyone that they may know. Because it's still a violation of the law, to sell these weapons to someone who should not legally own them.

Side: Proponents of more gun control
2 points

It depends on how you define "control" I don't believe in banning guns but I do believe in updating the way people purchase guns and who. However I do agree that gun rules and tests to own a gun should be stricter and higher so that crazy people don't get guns, however the full ban of guns is too much for me. I have trouble with the narrative of guns in the media. I often see in the news terrible reports of shootings and gun violence but I often never see all the times gun defense has saved so many lives. According to research conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Guns are used 16 to 100 times more often to protect lives than to take lives. When it comes to mass shootings, nearly 90% of cops agree that the presence of legally armed citizens would “reduce” or “avoid” them entirely. There are countless amounts of robberies, rapes, assaults, that are prevented when the victim is armed. Guns can do evil but they can also do good. A gun is an object just like a knife, A knife can be used for cooking purposes (good) but it is also a preferred weapon of public mugging to stab someone to death and rob everything they have on them as silently as possible. I believe that we stop a bad guy with a gun by a good guy with a gun. I believe that as Americans we are given rights such as the 2nd amendment for our own self defense. We have seen multiple examples of excessive government control and gun control go wrong in other countries. The Second Amendment isn't just for self-defense in the home. Its goal was to ensure that no military power, foreign or domestic, could ever defeat the country. For example, I have family friends who are from Venezuela and they tell me their own personal stories about police officers walking into their homes and robbing them at gunpoint. In that specific case there was nothing they could do about. Their own government system was turning on them. Who are they gonna call? The police? When they were the ones robbing them. When we give too much power to the government and take away citizen rights such as gun defense we are losing our freedom to ever fight back. Let's say we get rid of guns legally. Will this prevent mass shooting or will people just find another way to get them? Then locals who actually want guns as self defense won't have access to them but criminals who are the majority user, will get them illegally because it doesn't go against them morally or ethically. A German high school student went on a killing spree in 2009, killing 15 people. He did not own a gun. A shooter was able to find and use a gun even in a country with strict gun laws. Shooters will get access to a gun, even with strict gun laws. Bad people will do bad things but it is our responsibility to prepare and be safe with defense in any way you choose. You shouldn't feel forced to own a gun but you shouldn't prevent others who do, for safety purposes.

Side: Opponents of gun control
2 points

Everyone seems to have a different concept of "control" when talking about gun control. I do believe that background checks are acceptable when acquiring a firearm so it won't fall into the wrong hands. On the other hand, it shouldn't be near impossible to successfully acquire a gun. Being able to protect yourself is a necessity in this world. Let's say someone with malicious intent came onto your property. You call the police and they say they're on their way. Would you be ok sitting defenselessly until the police arrived, not knowing how long it would take? Sometimes the circumstances could be even worse and you don't have time to call the police. People often look at the harm firearms cause because that is what media spotlights. We often forget that firearms are also a means of protection and have saved a good amount of lives.

Side: Opponents of gun control
1 point

I am more in the middle with this type of argument. I do believe that it should be harder for criminals, and unstable people to be able to get a gun, but I also am a firm believer in the Second Amendment. One of the main arguments against the Second Amendment is that it is outdated, however a tragedy that caused riots about a year ago shows that the Second Amendment is not outdated. The death of George Floyd was tragic, and it caused riots across the U.S. I remember watching the news of riots in LA, and seeing some rioters trying to rob a family owned store, however they were guarding their property with guns, and were able to scar the rioters away. I think that this is just one instance where the Second Amendment was able to help protect people and their property.

Side: Opponents of gun control
1 point

There are already a lot of gun control laws, and if the police would enforce them and use the laws to protect the citizens, we wouldn't need anymore laws. New laws are just overlapping other laws, which just confuse people and law enforcement. It's no mystery that politicians make it seem like new laws are essential, forcing them into the books, but I think there are just too many of them.

Side: Opponents of gun control
1 point

Obviously, regulation on guns is a necessity, but trying to control the domestic procurement of firearms is a fool's errand. Laws don't just work outright, and we can't assume any prohibitionist policy regulating or banning guns would make the number of gun owners shrink or simply disappear. In the face of this fact, whether gun ownership is good or bad for the population is irrelevant. The market demand for guns thanks to gun culture in the United States is simply too high, and the application of firearms is too versatile for the American population to be willing to give up the right to own a large range of firearms.

Side: Opponents of gun control
Hootie(429) Disputed
0 points

Obviously, regulation on guns is a necessity, but trying to control the domestic procurement of firearms is a fool's errand.

Oh God, here we go again. Same ignorant comments.

"No, I won't try because it won't work."

"But it already has worked in a variety of different countries".

"Don't care. Fool's errand. Won't try."

Side: Proponents of more gun control
JakeLad(4) Disputed
1 point

"Banning drugs sure did work now we'll ban guns so that the cartels can sell both of them to criminals."

Side: Opponents of gun control
Hootie(429) Disputed
0 points

Laws don't just work outright, and we can't assume any prohibitionist policy regulating or banning guns would make the number of gun owners shrink or simply disappear.

God this is impossible when you have to deal with people who are this insane.

You won't assume banning guns will reduce gun crime, but you WILL assume banning guns is a "fool's errand"?? Just what the fuck is anybody supposed to say in response to that? Your entire post is an exercise in personal bias.

Side: Proponents of more gun control
1 point

It would reduce gun crime, but that only gets rid of the gun aspect. Not to mention the fact that it would be quite literally impossible to disarm the cartel and other crime syndicates. Disarming Americans is just as foolish because 40% of American households harbor firearms. It's not feasible. I don't know what you think is happening on the island of England but the gun ban didn't make crime go away and it definitely wouldn't have been enforceable if it weren't a remote island with no means of producing anything. Maybe have some tea before replying, you sound a bit hot-headed at the moment.

Side: Proponents of more gun control
JakeLad(4) Disputed
1 point

Gimmie a few hours, I'm about to go shooting with a friend of mine in Washington. We'll make sure to have as much fun as we can and be 100% safe just for you.

Side: Opponents of gun control