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Debate Score:50
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Abortion: Your stance

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I believe it should be legal

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I believe it should be legal

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I think it should be legal. Choice is always fundamental to the rights and freedoms of others. while i do understand that maybe sometimes its right to have a baby, i think that it's also fair to expect that many more women have genuinely good reasons for not having their baby, and understand the consequences of going through with an abortion. I also think its more important to address the factors causing people to need abortions to be an option, and in order to outlaw abortion, we first need to rule out factors like money, housing, food, and education and stability that alot of people don't have when having their baby.

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This makes good points on context in the United States. Abortion would be less of a problem is there was more support from the government to allow a mother to support the child and themselves. Many political problems would be solved if we looked based the basic yes or no question and into larger solutions. Examples like money, housing and education are good examples given in your argument. To truly be pro choice would be to help women out and making supporting a child more feasible, instead of shamming women into a financially impossible situation. The long solution takes more money, time and careful consideration, however, it is better for the American people.

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2 points

The only times abortion is controversial is when religion is brought into the argument. This is a false ground to stand on, and I believe it is better explained as a matter of realism or optimism. The optimistic approach is the idea that the mother has the child and the child lives a good life and so does the mother. The realistic approach is the actual world, whether or not the majority of mothers who have the child are able to support the child and themselves. In this case a sure statistic is not enough because there is so much variation. So in this case it should be up to the mother themselves to decide whether or not the realistic outcome is feasible.

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2 points

I agree, that's the entire point of separation of church and state.

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1 point

I completely support this. People bring their religion into this case alot of the time, but we have to look at the fact that some people are not fit to give birth to the baby, or be able to carry a child.

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I agree: while we all have the right to religious freedom, I believe we should keep religion out of an argument mainly based off of science. Like someone above/ below said- its best to separate religion and government based on these arguments.

Side: I believe it should be legal
beefyburrito(8) Disputed
1 point

See I disagree on this one, you talk about religious freedom, but then you say we shouldn't bring religion into this? That's the main reason this topic is controversial... When a fetus becomes viable, meaning it can survive outside of the womb, that religious aspect comes into play because it can now be considered a life, which some people piece into the murdering of a baby. I'm pro-choice, but we can't invalidate the religious aspect of this topic because religion plays a HUGE part in some people's lives.

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I totally agree! The New York law allows for women after 24 weeks of pregnancy to get an abortion if “there is an absence of fetal viability, or the abortion is necessary to protect the patient’s life or health,” according to the Washington Post. Although I think the duration should be longer, there is evidence supporting what seems more ethical. In my opinion, abortion past 28-30 weeks is unethical because the fetus is viable, therefore, it should be considered a life. THAT'S where the religion part should come in; when the fetus is viable and able to live on its own.

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2 points

I believe abortion should be legal. If a woman is not financially stable to have a baby I could understand her point of view of having an abortion. Also, if a woman is not mentally stable to have a child then I would also understand if they would have an abortion. Age has another effect on this. If a young couple are not financially stable and do not think they will be able to keep themselves and their child healthy then I could understand them having an abortion.

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The precedent of Roe v. Wade is a good one to follow, because it says that you can get an abortion, as long as it’s not past a certain point. It’s a perfectly logical argument, and satisfies both sides of the issue. According to the American Pregnancy Association, most women find out they are pregnant when they are 4-7 weeks along in their pregnancy. If a woman finds out she is pregnant at 6 weeks, she has plenty of time to decide whether or not she wants and abortion before she hits that 24 week mark. If a woman is unsure whether she wants an abortion or not, she has plenty of time to think about it and consider her decision before it is past the reasonable time. I do not think it should be legal for a woman to get an abortion past this point, because then the baby is very much viable, and no longer a fetus. We know that every person, situation, and story is so different and diverse that each woman should have the right to choose what she wants to do in her situation.

Side: I believe it should be legal
1 point

I believe abortion should be legal. Sexual assault victims should not have to be forced to carry a baby that their perpetrator conceived in them, along with the fact some people do not have the money. If adults do not have the money to carry their baby with doctor visits their risking baby's health and their health. Its a womens body meaning it should be her choice.

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2 points

You make a good point about the financial abilities for not only a child but for doctor visits. Some people can't afford to get the help they need from doctors, like you said, putting the child at risk. Financial support is one of the biggest things children need to develop, without this a child's life won't be as prosperous as it needs to be. Money is a big factor that goes into abortion. It's cheaper to have an abortion than to deal with months worth of doctor visits and then 18 years of paying for another human being.

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I support the argument you bring to the table. To support you, most women who are forced to carry their child end up giving up their children into foster care systems.“The rate of adoptions of children born to white women declined by 34-37% in states that repealed restrictive abortion laws before”

A lot of people who give birth to unwanted children end up putting that child into adoption or foster care systems: however if abortion was more legal then less kids would end up crammed into those houses.

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1 point

I support this,there are nearly 424,000 kids in foster care. About 30% of children in foster care deal with severe emotional, behavioral problems all their lives. They wonder why they were not good enough for their biological parents. This causes a severe toll on the kids. Adoption is not always the best option.

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This is a great argument to bring up especially because the American foster care system is not the best. Many children get stuck in and out of bad homes. Stats show that foster care does not lead to successful, happy adults. A study from Ifoster.org shares "Within four years of aging out, 50% have no earnings, and those who do make an average annual income of $7,500"

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A woman should have the right to her own body: She has her own freedoms, and should be allowed to make her own choice of whether she wants to carry a child or not. It should not be forced down upon her to carry a child she wishes not to have. There are statistics that show that a good chunk of death is caused by failed abortions. If abortions were legal- then so many of these deaths wouldn’t be happening. "In parts of the world where abortion is illegal, botched abortions still cause about 8 to 11 percent of all maternal deaths, or about 30,000 each year."

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Whether or not a woman gets an abortion is up to that woman. She can form her decision based on her situation and her own personal beliefs but that decision is not to be made by another person, organization, or other body for her. Laws put in place to limit the ability of one to get an abortion not only single women out but also breech the level of control the government should have over one person. Reasons to get an abortion vary by situation and having a blanket law over all women who get abortions convey that abortions are a simple yes or not subject when they are not. Making abortions illegal does not create less abortions. Women who desperately need or want an abortion will find a way to have one, usually ending in an unsafe abortion that leaves them severely injured or possibly dead. According to a study at the Guttmacher institute 7,000,000 women and girls are injured or disabled due to unsafe abortions each year and 22,000 women and girls die as a result of unsafe abortions.

Side: I believe it should be legal
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I believe that abortion should be illegal to a certain extent. Abortion should be illegal after 28 weeks from conception. To begin, a fetus becomes viable after approximately 24 weeks of gestational age; viability means that a fetus has the ability to survive outside of the womb. According to the “Aid to Women Center,” it says that in the second trimester (13-24 weeks) “the fetus’s body is too large to be broken up by suction and will not pass through the suction tubing easily.” In a second trimester abortion, the cervix has to be dilated even more and can be very dangerous. To add, BCM Women’s Health says that, “Complications of clandestine abortions increase with gestational age.” After the fetus hits the viable gestational age, it not only becomes somewhat unethical, but it can be potentially dangerous to the carrier as well. Given certain circumstances such as rape, not being able to provide proper care for the baby, a hostile womb, or even PTSD from previous pregnancies, having abortions legal until 28 weeks is a long enough time to make the personal decision regarding abortions.

Side: I believe it should be legal
1 point

Sex is a very natural thing. It's instinctual to feel pleasure from it, and because of this people of a wide variety of ages have it, normally starting from high school. While there are many ways to prevent pregnancy, none are 100% full-proof. Raising a child consumes time and money, both things that high-school students and young adults don't have a lot of. With a child to take care of, it's highly unlikely a student can pursue their goals, especially in a field that requires a high degree of education like an MD which takes 10+ years to earn. Without legal and available abortions, a single accidental pregnancy can not only cost 1 or more students their life's goals, but also cost society the loss of potential workers for important jobs.

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Abortion in all states should be legal up to the end of the second trimester. Up to the third trimester, women should be allowed to get an abortion if wanted. If the woman cannot afford the child, if the child is not wanted, or the woman was sexually assaulted, they would have the entire first and second trimester to decide what she wants to do. It is the woman's right and choice what she wants to do with her body, therefore she should be allowed to have an abortion is she wants. It's her privacy right. The first trimester ends after 12 weeks, most women can't even find out that they're pregnant to a minimum of 2 weeks after their menstruation. Unwanted children end up in the foster care system which is not doing what they need for children. Abortion is a way for women to keep their lives if they decide a child is not what they need and should be legal in all states.

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1 point

I support this, I think by then a woman knows they are pregnant and will have made their decision.

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1 point

completely agree! this was my exact viewpoint. the fetus is now viable, and pregnant women should have made their decision by the end of the second trimester

Side: I believe it should be legal
1 point

Abortion should be legal up until the 24 week mark. It takes about 3 - 4 weeks, at least, for women to find out if they are pregnant, for others it takes longer. The extra 20 weeks gives women plenty of time to make a decision regarding abortion since the baby doesn't become "viable" to live outside the womb until the 24 week mark.

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I believe abortion should be legal for the simple fact , why would force someone to bring a person in this world that they can't provide the best life possible for ? Women shouldn't have to have a baby that they know they can't support. Also if a woman is raped she shouldn't have to have a baby that reminds her of her trauma every time she looks at it. Others may argue have the baby and give it up for adoption. The issue there is there is already so many kids in foster care, the foster care system is overpopulated.

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I believe that abortion should be legal. There are many reasons that women choose to get abortions. Sexual assault plays a big factor in this. About 5% of sexual assault cases resort in pregnancy. Another big reason that women choose to get an abortion is because they do not have the money to support the child. Illegalizing abortion is also 14th amendment due process violation. It takes away the right for a woman to do what she wants with her body. It is a woman's body so it should be her choice.

Side: I believe it should be legal
2 points

Besides all the emotional arguments, a fetus fits the basic definition of life and because the line between dead and alive is very blurred, life can be pushed back to near conception. With that being said, if abortions can be made illegal based on Roe v. Wade at the 2nd and 3rd trimester, why not before? Because when you look deeper, the argument for making abortions illegal at the 3rd trimester is very emotional. The difference between the 1st and 2nd trimester isnt instantaneous, and neither is it for 2nd to 3rd. The problem arises because of the vivid and grotesque imagery associated with abortions late in the pregnancy. So if the only basis for making abortions illegal later in pregnancy is because it looks more like a living human, an argument without emotion would say that late abortions should be illegal because it is a living human. And if a early fetus meets the definition for living human, abortions should be made illegal before the 2nd trimester.

Side: I believe it should be legal
beefyburrito(8) Disputed
1 point

although this argument is super strong and you have valid points, about 65% of women do not find out they are pregnant until the end of the first trimester, leaving more stress on the body than ever. if they are considering an abortion, more stress put on the body can potentially put the baby AND the mother at a huge health risk. the first trimester ends at 12 weeks, and most women find out they are pregnant between 5-8 weeks, leaving 4 weeks to decide with your viewpoint.

Side: I believe it should be legal
WickedSpecia(8) Disputed
1 point

The difference between the trimesters is not a matter of the imagery or guilt that comes with a later trimester abortion but the viability of the child. Up until 24 weeks a fetus is considered nonviable. Any birth that happens at that point would result in the child not surviving and barely being alive in the first place. The viability aspect allows for us to consider the liberty of the fetus. Allowing liberty for the mother and the fetus is far easier to do when the fetus is viable and able to live. But giving liberty to a nonviable fetus whilst stripping a grown woman of her's is a different story.

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I believe that abortion should be legal. Women have the right to do what they want with their bodies and it is their decision. It is also a privacy violation and denying of individual rights.

Side: I believe it should be legal
madgenius(9) Disputed
1 point

this is an incorrect statement. You said you believe abortion should be illegal then went on to argue for the fact that it should be legal. Get your argument straight.

Side: I believe it should be legal
suzie_ann4(2) Disputed
1 point

I very much meant legal. From my explanation I am not for abortion being illegal. Thank you though!!! So therefore it is correct. Get out my business @madgenius. Reveal yourself.

Side: I believe it should be legal
casmith23(9) Disputed
0 points

Im confused what you are trying to get across? If you think it is the womens right then why should it be illegal??

Side: I believe it should be legal
suzie_ann4(2) Disputed
1 point

I very much meant legal. From my explanation I am not for abortion being illegal. Thank you though!!!

Side: I believe it should be legal
MasterMaster(3) Disputed
0 points

If the government has the power to control if a woman can have an abortion, does this really give them the "right to do whatever they want with there bodies." Your claim is contradicting itself.

Side: I believe it should be legal
beefyburrito(8) Clarified
2 points

*their. but i completely agree! there's a character limit so i have to keep typing :l

Side: I believe it should be legal
suzie_ann4(2) Disputed
1 point

I very much meant legal. From my explanation I am not for abortion being illegal. Thank you though!!!

Side: I believe it should be legal
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Abortion is the ending of a woman's pregnancy. Abortions should not be legal, unless the pregnancy was caused from rape. "Abortion ends the life of an unborn child before it has a chance of life ." I feel like even though the baby was formed or not, I believe you are killing someone who could of found a life and been loved. Before even choosing you want a abortion, you should think to yourself that baby did not ask to be here. Also choosing that you want an abortion can result in health issues of the female. Barbara B. states "If you can lay down and make it, you can sit up and take it!" meaning that if you can sit down and take the time to have sex, you can take or deal with the consequences that you risk of happening. Other people argue that abortion should be legal to any woman at any time. "All woman should have the say so of whether or not they should get an abortion or not. Woman who are raped should not have special privileges." Getting an abortion isn't something people should fight for,only unless they were forced into sex because they did not ask for that. Woman who choose to have sex know exactly what was going on, specifically if they were having unprotected sex. Understanding that pregnancy is not always intentional, and that some people don have the ability or are capable of raising a child, aborting a baby should never be a option to anyone. Therefore, abortion should not be legal.

Side: I believe it should be legal
beefyburrito(8) Disputed
1 point

if this were the case, it would create a HUGE loophole. everybody that wants an abortion would now claim that they got "raped" and could also ruin their partner's life and go to jail. this would also further violate people's privacy in the future because of all the private information that is discussed and more rape kits. there would be many more cons than pros to this approach. you do have a valid point, but there's many details that would have to be more thought out for this to work.

Side: I believe it should be legal
kayleeh(7) Disputed
1 point

You make the point that women should understand the consequences of their actions after having sex and being impregnated. You do understand that contraceptives do not ALWAYS work? Even if a woman is regularly taking her birth control, there are factors to make the pill not work. If a woman is taking antibiotics while on birth control,she can get pregnant. Condoms do not always work. Even if both parties are taking the steps to prevent pregnancy, there are still ways the woman can get pregnant BY ACCIDENT. Furthermore, not every contraceptive is 100% preventive. There are instances where it just doesn't work. If men and women are taking the steps to prevent their "consequences" then they shouldn't be forced to have the child they were trying to prevent from being conceived.

Side: I believe it should be legal
casmith23(9) Disputed
1 point

Did you know the average cost of raising a child through the age of 17 is 233,610. Thats a lot of money a lot of money people do not have. That parent may not be able to give them a good life, in fact may not even be able to put a roof over their head. So put them up for adoption? Well not everyone gets out of foster care in fact a majority do not. Kids every day are bounced from place to place in foster care. Living horrible and cruel lives. Some are even abused in systems that are supposed to protect them. There are nearly 424,000 kids in foster care. About 30% of children in foster care deal with severe emotional, behavioral problems all their lives. Also you say all women know whats going on? Some woman have never had sex ed in their life, some can not even afford a condom. Some are still teenagers trying to find out more about their body. Is your argument going to be then they shouldn't have sex? Well they're going to do it anyway just like women are going to have an abortion anyway they will just have it in a dangerous and unfit environment that could cause their death.

Side: I believe it should be legal
madgenius(9) Disputed
1 point

The end of your argument is invalid "some women have never had sex ed in their life" while this may be true people are not stupid or clueless. Unless it is a child who has been raped, women and men both are aware that sex is how children are born. You don't need all the technical details from a sex education class to figure that out. If they can't afford a condom, don't have sex simple as that. You can't make your argument "they will still have sex" because of course they will, but the point is that they can't claim they didn't know it could possibly result in a child. If you have sex, there is always the possibility of it resulting in a child. If these teenagers continue having sex then it is their own fault if it results in a child. They cannot claim they didn't know it would result in a baby that is absolutely ridiculous.

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Also sex isn't just for contraception it is for pleasure. People have sex because they want to experience the pleasure or get closer to their partner. Their not always wanting to make a baby. So when they find out their pregnant, after taking every way the internet says to not be. It is an accident. These people now have an unwanted child on their hands, that they may have no possible way to take care of or even bring out of them.

Side: I believe it should be legal
madgenius(9) Disputed
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It doesn't matter that the sex may be for pleasure there is still ALWAYS the risk of a child. It doesn't matter if they didn't want the child, if they partook in the action they should have been prepared for the consequences.

Side: I believe it should be legal