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According to the Bible The Flood Was Local

Agree

Side Score: 13
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Disagree/It Contradicts

Side Score: 15

Genesis 2:10-2:14

10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

According to this it must be local as 2 of the rivers are still there.

Side: Agree

That is my reasoning why it must be local

Side: Agree
LeRoyJames(372) Disputed
1 point

Why couldn't the rivers just re-form as the waters subsided. If the old names of the rivers were still remembered, then people would probably just resume calling them by the same names, and if they couldn't be remembered, then those who wrote the bible would just have had to use the new names to describe the rivers of Eden.

Side: Disagree/It Contradicts
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

Does a flood always displace rivers routes? And if it did displace them, then could they not still be called the same?

Side: Disagree/It Contradicts
1 point

Does a flood always displace rivers routes?

According to almost all Young Earth Creationists they did.

And if it did displace them, then could they not still be called the same?

It would be misleading.

Side: Agree

You may find this interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackSeadelugehypothesis

There's a theory that the Black Sea may be the site of the biblical flood.

Who knows ;)

Supporting Evidence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis (en.wikipedia.org)
Side: Agree

Despite the many, many other issues with the story of the flood and the ark, it also contradicts other passages.

Genesis 7:19-23 "They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits. Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark."

If it was local all mountains wouldn't be covered and all living things on earth wouldn't have been wiped out.

Side: Disagree/It Contradicts
1 point

Despite the many, many other issues with the story of the flood and the ark, it also contradicts other passages.

Genesis 7:19-23 "They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits. Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark."

If it was local all mountains wouldn't be covered and all living things on earth wouldn't have been wiped out.

The whole earth in the bible is usually refereed to figuratively so there is no contradiction.(1)

1. Genesis 41:57

Side: Agree
1 point

I disagree. Given the context and the repeated descriptions of total destruction I think it's very clear that the author is trying to convey that it was a global flood by using terms like "under the entire heavens" and "every living thing on the face of the earth." If it were local there would be no need to use such extreme and repetitive descriptions. Here are more verses conveying the same thing over and over and over.

Genesis 6:12-13: "God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth."

Genesis 6:17: "17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish."

Genesis 7:4 "Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made."

Genesis: 9:11 "I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”

I know the Bible uses colorful descriptions sometimes, but I think it's very clear by the wording and repetitiveness that the author is trying to make it very clear to us that this is not just some local flood but is the total annihilation of all life on Earth, with the exception of those on the ark.

Regardless of whether the story was meant to be local or global really doesn't matter since the whole story is clearly fictitious. There are soooo many problems with the story I wouldn't know where to begin and I don't want to get too far off topic since this debate is just about whether it was local or global.

So do you still think it was local?

Side: Disagree/It Contradicts
2 points

It doesnt matter,because it never happened, might as well debate on how long ago was the battle of Mordor .

Side: Disagree/It Contradicts

The Great Flood is skeptical. There may have been a Great Flood but not involving a big Ark.

Side: Disagree/It Contradicts