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Agnosticism is based in logic. Atheism is based in anger and hate.

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Agnosticism is based in logic. Atheism is based in anger and hate.

The first part is true. The second part isn't necessarily true. I'm an atheist and it has nothing to do with anger or hate. I just consider the probabilities to be much greater on that side.

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The first part is true.

Agreed.

The second part isn't necessarily true.

Agreed.

I'm an atheist and it has nothing to do with anger or hate. I just consider the probabilities to be much greater on that side.

Sure Nom. If it was simply based on some magical probability that you can in no way show us with math, you wouldn't go beserk every time someone mentioned Jesus or God. You'd simply be indifferent, but you aren't. You're butthurt, and begin calling people stupid, saying Jesus never existed despite evidence, etc.

You desire for there to be no god. That's your insentive, not logic or open mindedness.

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MasterYoda(224) Disputed
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Maybe "God" in some shape or form does exist.

Religion and faith are a different matter entirely, because it's not about exploring possibilities and looking for answers at that point, it's about mindlessly believing what the book says.

Side: True

Each view answers a different question. Agnosticism deals with knowledge and atheism with belief. One can be both an agnostic and atheist.

Neither necessitates emotional or logical answers to questions.

Agnosticism states ignorance or lack of knowledge.

Atheism is lack of (or no) belief.

Cheers.

Side: Not true
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Agnosticism deals with knowledge and atheism with belief.

That is why atheism is (technically) irrational and agnosticism isn't.

Atheism is lack of (or no) belief.

False. This is actually strong evidence that atheists abuse the same logical fallacies that religious people do. Atheism is obviously not a neutral position, so attempting to present it as one is fallacious.

Side: True
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Nonsense, Atheism is a rejection of the premise that a God or Gods exist end of story.

Side: Not true
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Atheism is a rejection of the premise that a God or Gods exist end of story.

Precisely. This is why it is a fallacy when atheists claim atheism is a "lack of belief". Stock atheists try to force a third answer into a closed question which has only two answers. To reject a premise or to "lack belief" in it is to say you don't believe it. And since you don't have any direct evidence to support the belief that their belief is false, atheists are technically being irrational.

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Jody(1595) Disputed
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. To reject a premise or to "lack belief" in it is to say you don't believe it.

Nonsense , it does not mean that one accepts the premise that no god or gods exist , it’s placing the burden of proof firmly with the one making the affirmative claim.

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I do not see any evidence that atheism is intrinsically based in anger and hate, nor that agnosticism is intrinsically based on logic. People are a mixed bag.

Atheism

Some atheist are angry and hateful, but some are not. Similarly, religions have histories replete with hatred and anger (the Inquisition, crusades, and American conquest; sectarian violence in India, Muslim history, etc., ad naseum) but they also include instances of compassion, tolerance, and affirmation of beauty and life.

Sure, being emotion-oriented is often at the root of believing unproven propositions, but not always. Sometimes, given lack of evidence, people simply choose to believe an option for reasons other than emotions or reasonableness of a proposition. Often, in order to fit in, people just go along with whatever their families or friends believe. Sometimes for the sake of standing out, people choose to believe something counter to beliefs of others in their social group.

Agnosticism

By the same token, while agnosticism can be a logical acknowledgement of the lack of evidence for the existence or non-existence of god, it can also be a default in lieu of actual thought. Often when answering a question about anything they do not want to spend effort to consider, people simply say, "I don't know," not because it is a logical answer, but because they are lazy or indifferent.

Side: Not true