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Agree. Disagree.
Debate Score:49
Arguments:23
Total Votes:68
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Agree or disagree?

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Agree.

Side Score: 24
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Disagree.

Side Score: 25

I agree. I've never heard a good argument that can explain the problem of evil without exposing a whole bunch of other problems.

Side: Agree.
trumpet_guy(502) Clarified
2 points

You know, I love debating with you. You force me to take a better look at things and have a better argument.

Side: Agree.

I respect you for saying that. Wow, Im impressed. :)

Side: Agree.
LittleMisfit(1749) Clarified
1 point

That's what I'm here for; To make people think and to have them make me think. We may not agree on many issues but I admire your willingness to actually try to tackle the tough questions and put your beliefs to the fire, so to speak, unlike a lot of religious people who shelter themselves from critique and just go with the flow without ever thinking about the tough questions.

Care to take a crack at this one?

Side: Agree.

Exactly. I'm a shitty believer for agreeing, but meh. .

Side: Agree.
1 point

It is just one of many flaws in fairy tales around gods unicorns and tooth fairies...

Side: Agree.
Atrag(5550) Banned
5 points

Well as Christians keep telling me: God defines what is good and what is not. Therefore, the evil we see in the world is actually part of his 'good' plan. To everyone who is not Christian, God is evil by our understanding of what good and evil is. To a Christian, human beings don't know what good and bad is and actually war, disease, mass murder all form part of something that is morally good.

Side: Disagree.

I agree with your statement. i think the Bible backs it up actually. Romans talks about god creating vessels of wrath fit for destruction, and there is Isaiah 45:7.

Side: Disagree.

Asking all the wrong questions again I see. If you seek to understand God, you will. If you seek to not understand him, you won't.

Isaiah 45:7-I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

Notice how he says darkness and disaster and darkness, not evil. The dark and disasters are only perceived as evil according to us. What is good and evil is determined by God, not us.

Side: Disagree.
Nebeling(1118) Disputed
3 points

But if God says that disaster is a good thing and we believe it's a bad thing, then we are opposed to what is good. Phrased negatively, we are fighting in favor of evil.

If we are fighting in favor of evil, then it seems to me that we are God's enemies. But then it makes no sense that God created us. If God is fighting for what is good, then why would he create beings that are actively opposed to his work? To justify disaster in this way leads to a conclusion that I doubt you would want to arrive at. If God created beings that are fighting against his work, then he is irrational. I have nerver heard a Christian proclaim that God is irrational, so how do would you prevent this conclusion?

Side: Agree.
1 point

Mind=blown. :)

Side: Agree.
trumpet_guy(502) Clarified
1 point

But if God says that disaster is a good thing and we believe it's a bad thing, then we are opposed to what is good.

Isaiah 55:8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.

Phrased negatively, we are fighting in favor of evil.

This is understood already understood by the authors of the Bible. God understood we would want to go based on our own understanding to discern what we are supposed to be doing.

Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your paths straight.

If we are fighting in favor of evil, then it seems to me that we are God's enemies.

We are only fighting against the will of God because we all have a sin nature. God did not create beings that were intentionally opposed to his work. He created beings that could be influenced either way and choose to love him, it is the influence of Satan and our sin nature that causes us to go against his will. The way out or the way to combat these influences is Christ. The logical progression of verses to explain the link between Christ, us, and God's will is here. So God is not irrational and neither are we for believing in Him.

Side: Agree.
kaveri(319) Disputed
2 points

What if I start citing Lord Of The Rings? How would that feels ? :D

Side: Agree.
trumpet_guy(502) Clarified
1 point

Go ahead, why not.

Side: Agree.
1 point

That downvote was not from me. I gave you an upvote to balance things out.

Side: Agree.
2 points

I figured, thanks.

Side: Disagree.
0 points

I dont understand that. im sorry. :/

Side: Agree.
trumpet_guy(502) Clarified
1 point

Basically, which one's more important: maximum 100 plus a little years on Earth, or fate of eternity? God does what he does to influence your's and other's decision on eternity, even if we can't see it.

Where do I get this from? If you research Isaiah 45, it speaks of salvation throughout the chapter, with themes of good among chaos and disaster.

Side: Agree.
1 point

Religiously speaking, God has a plan for everyone or something. As an atheist i agree with the statement, but I know that religious people have an explanation for everything, so it's best not to argue.

Side: Disagree.