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Debate Score:26
Arguments:20
Total Votes:28
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All redeeming qualities of Western civilization can be traced back to Judeo-Christianity.

True.

Side Score: 12
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False.

Side Score: 14

I don't doubt that you could establish some vague link between individual Jews or Christians or the cultures or communities they lived in and some of the values we hold in the West.

But that cuts both ways. By the same token, all distasteful qualities of Western civilization can be traced back to Judeo-Christianity.

I mean, Judeo-Christianity is a huge concept that spans throughout much of recorded history. I don't think there are many things or people on this planet entirely free of the influence of Judeo-Christianity. So it's easy to make and support claims like "Judeo-Christianity was central to the American Civil Rights movement;" it's also easy to make and support claims like "Judeo-Christianity was central to the opposition of the American Civil Rights movement." You can credit Christianity for helping free slaves and grant them equal rights, but if you do that you also have to credit Christianity with the capture and ownership of those slaves in the first place.

So all qualities of Western civilization, good or bad, can be traced back to Judeo-Christianity.

Side: True.
2 points

In the same way that all redeeming qualities can be traced back to almost any philosophy somehow.

Side: True.
3 points

1500 years of dark age??? do you mean that? Do you realize that without Christianity and it's imitation Mormons/Islam...etc

would now be year 3512? .. I would be sitting in space ship in other galaxy heading to other one...

Side: False.
2 points

So true.

Don't know about being in another galaxy, and heading to a next one, but we would definitely be far far more advanced.

Side: False.
Assface(406) Disputed
1 point

Yes, I've seen that chart some guy on SA Photoshopped together too. Are you under the impression that the sole legacy of Judeo-Christian literature and thought began and ended with the Crusades?

Side: True.
Cuaroc(8840) Banned
2 points

Actually it's more Grecco-Roman then Judeo-Christianity.

Side: False.

I've heard Dinesh D'Sousa make the point that our civilization is supported by two pillars: Jerusalem and Athens. I agree with him that our culture was primarily shaped by Judeo-Christian and Grecco-Roman influence, and I think I also agree with you perhaps the latter more so. But what the proud theists who like to point this out fail to realize is that a pillar holds up everything, not just the good stuff. If one wants to claim that Christianity has shaped America's morality, for example, that's fine and I'd agree, but "morality" includes moral and immoral actions, both.

Perhaps things like Western charity can be traced back to our Judeo-Christian roots. So too, perhaps, can our sometimes quite barbaric, tribal violence.

Side: False.
Assface(406) Disputed
1 point

If one wants to claim that Christianity has shaped America's morality, for example, that's fine and I'd agree, but "morality" includes moral and immoral actions, both.

I haven't disputed this; that's just not what the debate's about.

Side: True.
Assface(406) Disputed
1 point

Certainly ancient Greece and Rome were the wellspring of the West, but that's what the "redeeming" part's for. From Greco-Roman society we mostly inherit our more distasteful attributes: political realism, careerism, our fetishization of democracy. The legacy of Judeo-Christianity, on the other hand, more resembles our virtues: the beauty and necessity of sacrifice; devoutness (as opposed to the plundered, superficial, public religiosity of the Romans); equality under the law; common, universal morality; human rights and inherent value. These things either weren't present or were regarded as high-minded mental masturbation except by scholars in Greco-Roman society.

Side: True.
Cuaroc(8840) Disputed Banned
1 point

getting more points to down vote i see.

Side: False.
Cuaroc(8840) Disputed Banned
1 point

Ah yes Democracy is so evil it doesn't allow religion to control government as much.

Side: False.