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Yes, you are, excon Everybody understands
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Am I the only one in the world who truly UNDERSTANDS systemic racism??

Hello:

So, I'm watching a seasoned journalist question a police chief on TV.. The cop insists that his cops aren't racist.  They're questioned about the views on race before they're hired, and they go through ongoing race sensitivity training..  The seasoned journalist says nothing back..  She, too, a white liberal journalist working for a white liberal network, doesn't understand systemic racism either.. 

So, with this misunderstanding, we'll never move forward.. 
Ok, nuff talk.

When a black family moves into a home in a white neighborhood and is stoned, burned or routed out, they are victims of an overt act of individual racism which most people will condemn. But it is institutional racism that keeps black people locked in dilapidated slum tenements, subject to the daily prey of exploitative slumlords, merchants, loan sharks and discriminatory real estate agents. The society either pretends it does not know of this latter situation, or is in fact incapable of doing anything meaningful about it.

If you possess a situational awareness, you can't miss it...  If you're walking around blind, you'll NEVER see it.

excon

Yes, you are, excon

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I know black people who were raised in the poverty stricken conditions you describe. If Racism was the proper description, then they would never have been able to get out of their circumstances by merely doing things differently then those who are still there. See, they aren't there anymore but they are still black.

I have a counterexample as well. A black man I knew had used the military as a springboard, but unlike his fellow black service members he was convinced that systemic racism everywhere would doom him to the slums of his childhood. I asked him what he intended to do when he left the service, and he said he would go back to the slums as there was no other option for him.

The belief in systemic racism is a greater impediment to black people than racism is.

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FredJones(15) Disputed
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I know black people who were raised in the poverty stricken conditions you describe. If Racism was the proper description, then they would never have been able to get out of their circumstances by merely doing things differently then those who are still there. See, they aren't there anymore but they are still black.

Lefties aren't interested in deductive or inductive logic. They are concerned about fitting in with the mob and how it does or doesn't make them feel.

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I know black people who were raised in the poverty stricken conditions you describe. If Racism was the proper description, then they would never have been able to get out of their circumstances by merely doing things differently then those who are still there.

You're a disingenuous, greedy little self-interested toad and you are using the infamous, "the exception disproves the rule" fallacy. Lying capitalists have been using this one for decades.

Look at Britney Spears folks. Isn't capitalism great!!! Meanwhile the next two thousand teenagers end up pregnant at 17, living in a trailer park. But those poor kids don't get any airtime, so it affords slimy little bastards like you the opportunity to mislead and con people about the realities of capitalism and -- in this case -- racism.

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FredJones(15) Disputed
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You're a disingenuous, greedy little self-interested toad and you are using the infamous, "the exception disproves the rule" fallacy. Lying capitalists have been using this one for decades.

You forgot to mention that 1 in 50 black families in the United States are millionaires, and with affilliate marketing, which can be done on a cell phone, there's no excuse.

Look at Britney Spears folks. Isn't capitalism great!!! Meanwhile the next two thousand teenagers end up pregnant at 17, living in a trailer park. But those poor kids don't get any airtime

Capitalism isn't great because rich liberals pass down privilege to their kids. It's great because unprivileged kids exit poverty into wealth due to Capitalism.

the next two thousand teenagers end up pregnant at 17

If this were true, the West's birth rate wouldn't be shrinking. You made this entire statistic up.

And why would you pretend that poor people are incapable of making wise life choices?

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Am I the only one in the world who truly UNDERSTANDS systemic racism??

Oh, you understand that liberal cities where most black people live are systematically racist. There's nothing wrong with your logic. And you will keep voting in the same exact people running that racist system. You will also flee a super liberal area for a more red state just to vote again for the same nonsense you fled from. Let that sink in.

You just keep letting them feed your brain while you march in lockstep to the orders of whatever your progressive, white, elitist overlords tell you. The people I feel sorry for are blacks' forfathers who escaped the vomit just for you to go back like a boomerang and lap it up, physically incapable of leaving the yard they keep you in.

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Let that sink in.

You haven't been sane since 1985. Let that sink in.

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BootLicker(10) Disputed
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You haven't been sane since 1985

Great comeback. With a response like that, I'll assume you are a lower mammal, maybe a spider monkey. More evidence of why the left can't meme or debate. Well, stupid people have no wit or ability to respond to the statement rather than the person. Attack the person, not the argument. Just like Hitler, who lacked common sense, and loved drugs. It is clear that you got the recipe to his cocktail. Isn't that correct Adolf?

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excon(14555) Disputed
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Oh, you understand that liberal cities where most black people live are systematically racist.

Hello BL:

Systemic racism is NOT systematic racism..

It's like I told you. I, apparently, am the ONLY person on the website who understand what the word "systemic" means. I have NO idea why.

excon

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Systemic racism is NOT systematic racism

You are only discussing an adjective, and either of these words will work in the context our resident neo-Nazi used them. Saying a city is systematically racist is very similar to saying the system used by a city is systemically racist. Hence, you are being very pedantic and -- as per usual -- really are only looking for a reason to pat yourself on the shoulder.

I, apparently, am the ONLY person on the website who understand what the word "systemic" means.

And there we go.

You do not even understand what the word Jew means you stupid twat. Or science, for that matter. We might have some retards here, but even they are capable of inputting a word into Google and reading what appears on the screen after they hit the enter button.

You sir, are a real goddamned dickhead.

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HermanCain(10) Disputed
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Systemic racism is NOT systematic racism..

Come on man, don't parrot white people by using word salads.

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Am I the only one in the world who truly UNDERSTANDS systemic racism??

You're a nauseating twerp who exploits the suffering of others so it can benefit you. You don't even understand what a Jew is you stupid man. Your only interest in the suffering of other people is in its use as a currency to be cashed in during arguments to shame other people with. You're a thoroughly disgusting slimeball of a man.

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There is no such thing as racism.

Recognizing and stating the self-evident truth that blacks are, and always have been inferior to other races is not racism.

If blacks had had the executive ability to organise their societies efficiently they could not have been exploited and subjugated.

Why can blacks not create societies which whites and Asians want to be part of' instead of pressing their fanned snouts up against the windows of the white man's world crying, let us in, we promise not to wreck the place..

Blacks are a shocking negative element in every society they infest

Generally speaking darkies cannot compete successfully in the white-man's world so they cite, RACISM as an excuse for their own inferiority.

Compare Liberia with Israel.

Man, man oh man.

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excon(14555) Disputed
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Recognizing and stating the self-evident truth that blacks are, and always have been inferior to other races is not racism.

Hello M:

Uhhhh, YES it is. Hating another race is the BEDROCK of racism..

excon

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Miocene(568) Disputed
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Only you mentioned anything about hating.

I don't hate anyone for any reason and certainly not because of their race.

Instead of addressing the facts you have tried to to mask the truth with the standard you're a racist smokescreen and turned a perfectly rational and factual comment into an issue of race.

Hasn't anyone told you that the race card is well and truly played out.

Most white people are sick of blacks blaming their woeful inadequacies on white privilege, white supremacy, discrimination and police brutality.

As previously mentioned, why don't you blacks create a society/societies which is the envy of everyone?

Rhetorical question of course as we all know that when the blacks are left to their own devices they simply cannot organize effective administrations or establish wealth generating corporations.

How in heavens name can blacks blame their inferiority on white's and expect to change the facts by rioting and looting?

Man, man oh man.

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excon(14555) Disputed
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Blacks are a shocking negative element in every society they infest

Hello again, M:

It's true.. I just extrapolated your word "infest" with hate.. Dude!! I can't imagine that you DON'T hate people who "infest" your world.

Man, oh man.

excon

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HermanCain(10) Disputed
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And the funny thing is that he is clearly burritolunch, the white Communist who is comfortable using negative terms and claims towards black people.

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Miocene(568) Disputed
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Why don't you address the issues instead of trying to skirt around the black's failure to succeed in the world which they infest?

On a recent so called protest march the black demonstrators had placards with the message, ''set fire to white people and roast them like pigs*.

Now there's hatred for you blackie. .

Why do you think blacks prosper best when they are governed by administrations which are predominately white.

Look at Zimbabwe, South Africa, the Democratic Republic of the Congo etc. etc.

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We have bad individuals in positions of authority. This is a natural occuernce of any system by simple virtue of the fact that positions of power attract people who would use it to selfish and destructive ends. It exists, and will exist, in every system of business and government and religion and law enforcement and authoritative establishment human beings will ever imagine. We do need to maintain vigilance against this, but it is not- I repeat, NOT- systemic racism. There is no doctrine, no law, no instruction to the gatekeepers of society to favor one race over another. When there are laws and instructions and rules that separate by lines of race, here's what it looks like: it looks like the Star of David that is your avatar, Excon, which Jews were forced to wear in Nazi Germany. That's systemic racism, and if it happens again in our lifetime, you're welcome to borrow one of my rifles and we'll fight the power together.

Now. It would be massively ignorant to discount the fact that on average, a black household makes less money and has less opportunity than a white household. There are reasons for this which often have their root in racism, but that's only part of the reasons for the plight of the average black American. Much of it has to do with an economic disadvantage more than a century old. That is to say, I am not a descendant of slaves. My ancestors usually had not only the means to invest in their children but the economic knowledge of how to make your way in life. This luxury was not afforded to the descendants of slaves, and the effects of that, and the effects of Jim Crow laws- which we can agree was actual systemic racism- are felt to this day. That is not, however, the only reason. Tell me I had more advantage than anyone else, and I'll be happy to have you know that the best high school graduation present I could have hoped for was a boot in the ass and a park bench to sleep on. Everything I have, I clawed from society by earning it. But that's another story.

Another problem is with black culture itself, and this is where people are going to call me a racist. Fuck your feelings, we need to talk about this. When specific ideologies (in this case, monetary) are pervasive in music and film and other forms of art and media it becomes a fixture of culture, and that is not racism, that's just what culture is no matter what the ideology or the race in question. How individuals respond to that detail of culture which is most circulated within any particular demographic is an entirely different discussion. However, much of black culture has an amazingly self destructive view of money. It is routinely glorified in movies and music to buy luxuries for the sake of giving the appearance of being rich. Listen to any hip-hop song and you're going to hear someone rapping about drinking champagne and wearing fancy clothes and driving expensive cars. This isn't limited to black culture but as far as I've noticed it's most pervasive in black culture, probably the most egregious (and perhaps not coincidentally, successful) offender being Kanye West. And the financial policy of buying hollow status symbols without any long term return on investment, which is almost taught as a virtue, is probably the most significant economic handicap to the black community today. From Air Jordans to high-dollar salon treatments, black kids are being fed daily a message to buy things that make you look rich, while keeping you poor, probably more so than within any other race, and much of this message is perpetuated from within the black community. Right now in this country a reasonably bright black kid is putting a down payment on a Lexus he can't afford the payments on. He's doing it because that's what he's been taught to do. He's going to make this bad financial decision that will put him on a path of poor financial decisions which may well last him the rest of his life, when he could have put the money for that status symbol into an investment toward a business or an education. And somewhere a white kid is making the same bad financial decision and will suffer from the same consequences, but it was the messages that the black kid grew up with that make the poor financial decisions so much more common among his race. That is a miserable goddamn shame, not only because of the future that is robbed from that kid by what culture he's been spoon-fed, not only because society could benefit from his potential, but because the effects of his decision will ripple across generational lines and affect the economic advantage (or lack thereof)- and likely the decisions- of his descendants. It's a fucking amazingly self destructive system, and to whatever degree the outside influence of racism has, much of the reason that a great portion of the black community remains in poverty is due to this perpetuated ideology of continuous financial irresponsibility. You can cry racism all you want, but until that problem of culture is addressed, the black community will keep shooting itself in the foot.

The thing is, individuals do regularly make it out of this cycle. And this is great for them, great for the black community, great for society in general, but it takes a fucking Herculean effort to put aside what your culture is feeding you and decide to go seek knowledge of how to invest in yourself and your future. You have to consciously put aside the mistakes perpetuated by groupthink and reach toward opportunity of your own volition, and most people- no matter your race- just don't have it in them.

In short: the black community will never lift itself up economically until there is a systemic change within black culture. That will not happen until the loudest voices within black culture stop giving bad financial advice to kids.

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