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American Gun Logic Is So Frightening

WE NEED MORE GUNS TO PROTECT US FROM ALL THE GUNS!!!!

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I have to TOTALLY agree with you here. We've always had the 2nd Amendment, and it hasn't been a problem. I owned guns, my friends owned guns, no problem. The problem came when some idiots decided our duly elected government was going to try to be a "tyrannical government"! Weak-minded individuals (of which we have more than I ever dreamed .... in the recent generations .... grabbed on to that foolishness, generated by COMPLETE whackos, and ran with it! The NRA is largely to blame! I was, for YEARS, a proud member .... 'til the whackos took over. Today we are back to Dodge City, where everyone "carried". It's a toss-up whether we will EVER see America "great again". Definitely NOT until we see the whackos find common, democratic sense! (Small "d")!

There is NO reason for someone to own an assault rifle (or handgun or shotgun) unless they wish to kill many people .... or get a hard-on from the "power" they feel! We have a country full of adolescent children on steroids!

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There is NO reason for someone to own an assault rifle (or handgun or shotgun) unless they wish to kill many people .... or get a hard-on from the "power" they feel! We have a country full of adolescent children on steroids!

I couldn't agree more brother. The attitude to guns in America is one thing, but the backwards logic which supports it is another matter entirely. It really is indicative of the ridiculous propaganda being fed to Americans on a daily basis by organisations like the NRA. The insanity is so deeply ingrained in American culture that even such basic facts as "guns are weapons designed to kill" are challenged, mocked and turned upside down. In this alternative world (which is much like Trump's alternative world), guns are instruments of defence rather than weapons which damage other people.

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Chinaman(3015) Disputed Banned
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You Fuckin Stupid LESTIST i want your goddamn ignorant mouth to explain yourself.

How many guns has the NRA made you STUPID BASTARD

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AlofRI(3252) Clarified
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They don't MAKE them you fin idiot, they SUPPORT the MAKING of them and in return, the gun makers give them $Millions , (which Mr. St Pierre and friends pocket much of ;-).

It's NOT the gun logic that's frightening, it's that so many fin' idiots that BUY them have NO LOGIC! (And THAT'S "RIGHT" ;-)

Where ya been? Down with the hoax?? ;-)

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Open a book please you impossibly stupid idiot. It is very difficult to feel pity for the victims of propaganda when they are as offensively stupid as you are.

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/13/593255356/how-americas-gun-industry-is-tied-to-the-nra

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/17/nra-gun-lobby-gun-control-congress

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I mean, I understand that indoctrinated people are usually the last to realise it, but the clues couldn't be bigger!!!! Pro-gun advocates all use the exact same 5 or 6 arguments. I mean, precisely the same!!!! The police can't protect me, criminals will get guns anyway etc... Once you've argued with one gun nut you have argued with them all. Clearly they are all getting their silly ideas from the exact same places!!

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YIsRisenLord(1222) Disputed Banned
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Hypocrute. If a woman has the right to a late term abortiom, she has the right to an assault rifle. Her body, her choice.

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Hypocrute. If a woman has the right to a late term abortiom, she has the right to an assault rifle.

If you have the right to come into my thread and write a bunch of nonsense, then I have the right to point out that you have the IQ of a warm grapefruit. Owning any type of gun literally puts everybody around you at risk, and that can be proven statistically. Of course we already know that you are a fat selfish bitch who can't understand that other people have rights too, so why don't you simply shut up before I ban your stupid ass?

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Amarel(5284) Clarified Banned
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Very few of the gun murders that occur are committed by "assault rifles". Most aren't committed by "gun nuts". Most are committed in cities by criminals who already don't have gun rights (due to criminal history and/or drug use); people who acquire their guns illegally neither for self defense or supposed national defense, but for criminal conduct.

Most hunting in my region is done with a shotgun. Some with a handgun. There are valid reasons to own various kinds of guns.

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Very few of the gun murders that occur are committed by "assault rifles".

Even fewer are committed by nuclear weapons, so let's legalise those too.

You cannot make something which is retarded into something which is logical. It doesn't matter which combination of words or which statistics you abuse.

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AlofRI(3252) Clarified
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Sorry. I was referring to an assault shotgun (like the rotary magazine ones) and an assault handgun like an Uzi. Regular shotguns and handguns (without extended magazines), have to be acceptable.

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to say nothing of the anti-government paramilitaries the usa permits to exist within its own borders. strange fucking place.

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BurritoLunch(6482) Clarified
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to say nothing of the anti-government paramilitaries the usa permits to exist within its own borders. strange fucking place.

It is a very strange place. It's a propaganda state. Probably the most extreme propaganda state the world has ever known.

The government lets paramilitaries exist because they are of little or no threat. It also serves their purpose in helping people believe they are the ones in control rather than the government.

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Democrats have yet to define a so called assualt rifle. In NY, they tried to pass the so called "Safe Act" whereby they wanted to take our hunting rifles if holding more than seven rounds!

THESE WERE NOT ASSUALT RIFLES.

The Left's plan is to ultimately take our guns, including hand guns, etc.

The Left is made up of absolute liars who will tell you anything but their true motives.

The Democrat Party has become closet socialists who want to emulate Socialist Europe along with their Gun bans.

Anyone who thinks they only want to ban so called assualt rifles are LIARS or the most ignorant low end voters on the planet.

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The Left's plan is to ultimately take our guns, including hand guns, etc.

Our plan is to immediately take your guns because insanity and lethal weapons are a bad combination. When we give religious radicals like you the means to exterminate life, bad things predictably occur.

The Left is made up of absolute liars

In other news...

"I WON THIS ELECTION, BY A LOT!!"

The Democrat Party has become closet socialists who want to emulate Socialist Europe along with their Gun bans.

Yes, how dare we take away your right to murder people. Shame on us. But hey, at least we don't call ourselves "pro-life" while we simultaneously demand 50,000 completely unnecessary and preventable deaths each year like you do!!!!

Anyone who thinks they only want to ban so called assualt rifles are LIARS or the most ignorant low end voters on the planet.

Anybody who thinks you are sane enough to have access to firearms is not thinking clearly.

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AlofRI(3252) Clarified
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Most lies come FromWithin, this is no different.

Thousands of U.S. "lefties" own guns and have all our lives. There would NEVER be enough support FromtheLeft to "take away OUR guns, idiot!

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Facts are something your Fuckin Limey AI existent does not now.

Hey Stupid tell me how many guns are made in Ilion ,New York

Come on Dummy speak up

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Baby Gurl you no got no sense

You Fuckin Pussy know people are coming for your type and there ain't going to be a good ending for you and the likes of you.

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We do not trust the government ;)

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We do not trust the government

Well, at least 150-160 million of you do trust the government, because that is how many of you voted for the government in the last election.

That aside, I am afraid yours is one of the 5-6 entirely generic pro-gun fallacies which every American robotically repeats like a cult mantra or an advertising slogan (which is precisely what these things are). Indeed, I am actually very perplexed at how stupid one has to be to believe any government can or will rule without power over its citizens.

Where was the revolution when the US government invaded Iraq illegally Joe? Where was the revolution when the US government made it legal to incarcerate US citizens indefinitely without even charging them with a crime? Where was the revolution when a million American families lost their homes in the 2007 economic collapse?

Like at least 90 percent of Americans Joe, you are completely full of shit and simply repeat what you have seen on TV. Thinking about stuff before you say it is unfamiliar territory for you.

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So..., voting for a president means you trust the government? I think you are falling for a logic fallacy trap ;)

BTW, I don't watch the news so it would be clairvoyant for me to repeat something I have not seen ;)

Also, why is everything a cult for you? It's either Nazis, fascists and/or cults with you ;)

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AlofRI(3252) Clarified
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I don't trust the current "government". You know, the authoritarian one, the "All for one, all for ME "government". The one coming up will be FAR more trustworthy. :-)

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I don't trust any of them ;)

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Amarel(5284) Banned
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If someone came after you with a gun, it wouldn't be illogical to want a gun to protect yourself.

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If someone came after you with a gun, it wouldn't be illogical to want a gun to protect yourself.

Your idea of arming rapists just so that you then need a gun to protect yourself from them is of course legitimately one of the most stupid ideas any human being has ever had. It brings circular reasoning to a whole new level.

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Amarel(5284) Clarified Banned
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No mom, I don't think you should be allowed to own a firearm. But if you got your hands on one, I am in favor of your would-be victims having one too.

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Amarel(5284) Banned
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Guns are the problem. When cops have to interact with a person who is armed with a gun and dangerous, those cops should not carry guns. You can't solve a gun problem with more guns.

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BurritoLunch(6482) Clarified
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Guns are the problem

Lol. Is this some kind of amateur level reverse psychology now? Am I supposed to say, "No they aren't!!!". I am fully aware that guns are the problem you idiot. If you agree then stop arguing with me.

When cops have to interact with a person who is armed with a gun and dangerous

OK, you can leave too. If you are going to ignore the things that I write and repeat the same fallacies I have already addressed and dismantled then this is not a debate.

If you freely sell guns to the public then you cannot complain when the police need guns to deal with the public. Police in the UK don't need guns because in the UK we don't sell guns to the public. Do you see how that works now, you brutishly stupid, completely circular retard?

Out please. You don't get to ignore my refutations in my own debates.

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