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I have to TOTALLY agree with you here. We've always had the 2nd Amendment, and it hasn't been a problem. I owned guns, my friends owned guns, no problem. The problem came when some idiots decided our duly elected government was going to try to be a "tyrannical government"! Weak-minded individuals (of which we have more than I ever dreamed .... in the recent generations .... grabbed on to that foolishness, generated by COMPLETE whackos, and ran with it! The NRA is largely to blame! I was, for YEARS, a proud member .... 'til the whackos took over. Today we are back to Dodge City, where everyone "carried". It's a toss-up whether we will EVER see America "great again". Definitely NOT until we see the whackos find common, democratic sense! (Small "d")!
There is NO reason for someone to own an assault rifle (or handgun or shotgun) unless they wish to kill many people .... or get a hard-on from the "power" they feel! We have a country full of adolescent children on steroids!
There is NO reason for someone to own an assault rifle (or handgun or shotgun) unless they wish to kill many people .... or get a hard-on from the "power" they feel! We have a country full of adolescent children on steroids!
I couldn't agree more brother. The attitude to guns in America is one thing, but the backwards logic which supports it is another matter entirely. It really is indicative of the ridiculous propaganda being fed to Americans on a daily basis by organisations like the NRA. The insanity is so deeply ingrained in American culture that even such basic facts as "guns are weapons designed to kill" are challenged, mocked and turned upside down. In this alternative world (which is much like Trump's alternative world), guns are instruments of defence rather than weapons which damage other people.
They don't MAKE them you fin idiot, they SUPPORT the MAKING of them and in return, the gun makers give them $Millions , (which Mr. St Pierre and friends pocket much of ;-).
It's NOT the gun logic that's frightening, it's that so many fin' idiots that BUY them have NO LOGIC! (And THAT'S "RIGHT" ;-)
Open a book please you impossibly stupid idiot. It is very difficult to feel pity for the victims of propaganda when they are as offensively stupid as you are.
I mean, I understand that indoctrinated people are usually the last to realise it, but the clues couldn't be bigger!!!! Pro-gun advocates all use the exact same 5 or 6 arguments. I mean, precisely the same!!!! The police can't protect me, criminals will get guns anyway etc... Once you've argued with one gun nut you have argued with them all. Clearly they are all getting their silly ideas from the exact same places!!
Hypocrute. If a woman has the right to a late term abortiom, she has the right to an assault rifle.
If you have the right to come into my thread and write a bunch of nonsense, then I have the right to point out that you have the IQ of a warm grapefruit. Owning any type of gun literally puts everybody around you at risk, and that can be proven statistically. Of course we already know that you are a fat selfish bitch who can't understand that other people have rights too, so why don't you simply shut up before I ban your stupid ass?
If a woman can kill a baby, she can kill a rapist. Her body, her rules. You don't have the right, to her personal choices. If a woman wants to buy an assault rifle to protect against rapidts and governmental tyrants, that is her, right to choose. Are you antichoice, about guns? If you don't like guns, don't buy, one.
If a woman can kill a baby, she can kill a rapist.
Listen, you repugnant, wilfully ignorant twit: I literally linked you to the National Medical Library last night to prove that you are using erroneous language. A fetus is not the same thing as a baby. Your misuse of language is an appeal to emotion rather than the facts, and you already know you are using the wrong term so you have absolutely zero excuses for being such a lying bitch.
Oh shut up you retard. You don't have the right to ignore reality and put other people in danger by being a stupid, willfully ignorant bitch who ignores facts.
You don't have the right to tell me, what, to believe. That is my, RIGHT TO CHOOSE!
It is not your right to ignore facts because that endangers everybody else around you. You are a reprehensibly selfish, thoroughly insane person who contradicts objective reality and then screams about it being her right to do so. No, you spoilt little brat, it is not your right to endanger other people because of your own selfish refusal to live in reality.
Anyone that is not Yeshua, is selfish. I am selfish, but I actively try, to minimize, that. Romans 3:23 says all have sinned and fall short, of the glory, of God. It is my right, to believe, anything, I want. Free thought, is an absolute, human right. If I am crazy, I am crazy in love, with Yeshua.
Very few of the gun murders that occur are committed by "assault rifles". Most aren't committed by "gun nuts". Most are committed in cities by criminals who already don't have gun rights (due to criminal history and/or drug use); people who acquire their guns illegally neither for self defense or supposed national defense, but for criminal conduct.
Most hunting in my region is done with a shotgun. Some with a handgun. There are valid reasons to own various kinds of guns.
Very few of the gun murders that occur are committed by "assault rifles".
Even fewer are committed by nuclear weapons, so let's legalise those too.
You cannot make something which is retarded into something which is logical. It doesn't matter which combination of words or which statistics you abuse.
Your fallacy was to imply that if something does not kill a lot of people it is therefore safe. I pointed out that fallacy through the use of a more extreme example (i.e. ad absurdum). That is not a "false equivalence", so I would like to politely ask that you stop deliberately misusing language in my debate.
People use "assault rifles" all the time for legitimate legal purposes.
So assault rifles are safe because they are used "all the time for legitimate legal purposes"?
But so are nuclear weapons you unbelievably stupid, insane idiot. You literally just accused me of a false equivalence, then illustrated my own point for me.
Why don't you just shut up Amarel? Everything you ever write is utter nonsense. It isn't merely that it is wrong, but rather that you seem incapable of writing anything which doesn't contradict itself.
That was your clear implication, so had I not already banned you I would now be banning you for telling lies. Alfie argued that assault rifles should be banned and you disagreed on the basis that most people who are shot are not shot with assault rifles. I am not going around in circles with you while you contradict and/or deny what you wrote previously so you can simply gtfo.
A thing being dangerous bus not sufficient cause to ban it.
So you falsely accuse me of a straw man fallacy, and then literally in the same sentence use a straw man fallacy? You think that is what debate is, Amarel? Lying? Refuting things never suggested by the other person?
Get out. If you can't debate without lying or contradicting yourself then you can't debate.
A thing being dangerous bus not sufficient cause to ban it
Let's address this thing I have not said or suggested in a little more depth.
In fact, let us make an important distinction between things which are dangerous as a by-product of their utility (i.e. trains, cars, meat cleavers etc...) and things which are dangerous by design (i.e. assault rifles, nuclear weapons).
This helps us better see the straw man fallacy you are using.
Sorry. I was referring to an assault shotgun (like the rotary magazine ones) and an assault handgun like an Uzi. Regular shotguns and handguns (without extended magazines), have to be acceptable.
Regular shotguns and handguns (without extended magazines), have to be acceptable.
Why do they "have to be acceptable"? They aren't acceptable here. You can apply for a shotgun license but handguns are outright banned. The statistics say they are the most common guns used in homicides and crime so it is madness to legalise them.
Just think about how stupid and insane the people in your country are. Think about 74 million Trump voters. You are seriously telling me you want these people armed?
No, But I will seriously tell you you do not live in this country. It would not be "acceptable" for me to tell you how to run YOUR country. We'll handle it, or die trying.
Thank goodness, and U.S. that you have a country to live in. That's reality.
Where you live much of "the landed gentry" owns guns. We have always owned guns. Our problem is not the guns, our problem is propaganda that leads to distrust in government (and the government's ability to purge itself from "tyranny". We just did that ... AGAIN! The worst we've ever had! Time will tell if it will ever recover from .... MAGA. (Or from those who refuse to admit that an assault weapon is only for killing people) .... and as a weapon to punctuate "tyranny".
Thank goodness, and U.S. that you have a country to live in. That's reality.
Reality? Ahahahaha! Alfie, that's simply the most stupid thing I have ever read from you. It's a total denial of the facts. The US turned up late to both world wars, Britain won the Battle of Britain without any help, and the US couldn't even launch a successful landing on D Day. Stop eating that pure homegrown American bullshit you are being shovel fed by the kilogram.
Our problem is not the guns
Stop saying that you moron. Of course your problem is guns. You idiots are actually retarded. You'll blame literally anything except the cause of the problem. Sure, you have other problems too. Nobody is denying that. But if you take away the guns then the other problems aren't fatal.
to say nothing of the anti-government paramilitaries the usa permits to exist within its own borders. strange fucking place.
It is a very strange place. It's a propaganda state. Probably the most extreme propaganda state the world has ever known.
The government lets paramilitaries exist because they are of little or no threat. It also serves their purpose in helping people believe they are the ones in control rather than the government.
Democrats have yet to define a so called assualt rifle. In NY, they tried to pass the so called "Safe Act" whereby they wanted to take our hunting rifles if holding more than seven rounds!
THESE WERE NOT ASSUALT RIFLES.
The Left's plan is to ultimately take our guns, including hand guns, etc.
The Left is made up of absolute liars who will tell you anything but their true motives.
The Democrat Party has become closet socialists who want to emulate Socialist Europe along with their Gun bans.
Anyone who thinks they only want to ban so called assualt rifles are LIARS or the most ignorant low end voters on the planet.
The Left's plan is to ultimately take our guns, including hand guns, etc.
Our plan is to immediately take your guns because insanity and lethal weapons are a bad combination. When we give religious radicals like you the means to exterminate life, bad things predictably occur.
The Left is made up of absolute liars
In other news...
"I WON THIS ELECTION, BY A LOT!!"
The Democrat Party has become closet socialists who want to emulate Socialist Europe along with their Gun bans.
Yes, how dare we take away your right to murder people. Shame on us. But hey, at least we don't call ourselves "pro-life" while we simultaneously demand 50,000 completely unnecessary and preventable deaths each year like you do!!!!
Anyone who thinks they only want to ban so called assualt rifles are LIARS or the most ignorant low end voters on the planet.
Anybody who thinks you are sane enough to have access to firearms is not thinking clearly.
Well, at least 150-160 million of you do trust the government, because that is how many of you voted for the government in the last election.
That aside, I am afraid yours is one of the 5-6 entirely generic pro-gun fallacies which every American robotically repeats like a cult mantra or an advertising slogan (which is precisely what these things are). Indeed, I am actually very perplexed at how stupid one has to be to believe any government can or will rule without power over its citizens.
Where was the revolution when the US government invaded Iraq illegally Joe? Where was the revolution when the US government made it legal to incarcerate US citizens indefinitely without even charging them with a crime? Where was the revolution when a million American families lost their homes in the 2007 economic collapse?
Like at least 90 percent of Americans Joe, you are completely full of shit and simply repeat what you have seen on TV. Thinking about stuff before you say it is unfamiliar territory for you.
Well..., the problem with trying to hold a normal conversation with you is that you believe everything you think. The reason that is an issue is because you're an amgry little man. Probably because you are 40 years old and you're still living with room mates. You might as well be living with your mother. And, if you have a partner in your life, it makes you feel imasculated. So you are very angry indeed and thus try to boost up your ego by claiming intellectual superioty over everyone else. However, you this by calling people idiots in order to imply your superioty. And you are forced to imply your superiority because your arguments are not strong enough to prove it. You are so full of hate that you are not able to see that your assessment of others is really a self assessment.
Any way, please take your meds and have a good night. We can pick this up again tomorrow ;)
Well..., the problem with trying to hold a normal conversation with you is that you believe everything you think.
That's nice. The problem with holding a normal conversation with you is that you are not normal. When I criticise you, or the alt-right, you consider that to mean that I have criticised "everyone". You also consider this to be my problem, which of course only further alludes to how insane you are.
The reason that is an issue is because you're an amgry little man.
Steady on now Joe. I'm six feet one inch tall. 😆
Besides which, by your very own admission, you dedicate all of your time on this site to "deliberately trying to frustrate" me, so you can hardly complain if I get frustrated. That's like poking a bull in the eyes and then trying to play innocent when you get a horn up your stupid ass.
Probably because you are 40 years old and you're still living with room mates
Room mates? You think I have people living in my room with me? 😆
You might as well be living with your mother.
You seem to be very angry Joe.
And, if you have a partner in your life, it makes you feel imasculated.
If I have a partner in my life, she can spell emasculated, let me tell you son.
So you are very angry indeed
Joe, I find you literally more stupid than cheese. That's not anger. It's pity. I mean, for heaven's sake, you're throwing a temper tantrum while simultaneously trying to convince me I'm the angry one. It's priceless. 😆
I also think you are falling into the trap where you have seen someone criticise your insanely stupid culture, but because your small brain and big ego cannot process it, you have decided to pretend they are criticising every culture. It helps you convince yourself that you are not the one with the problem, but of course were that true then it is quite unlikely you would be reinterpreting personal or cultural criticism as blanket criticism of everybody on Earth.
I don't trust the current "government". You know, the authoritarian one, the "All for one, all for ME "government". The one coming up will be FAR more trustworthy. :-)
If someone came after you with a gun, it wouldn't be illogical to want a gun to protect yourself.
Your idea of arming rapists just so that you then need a gun to protect yourself from them is of course legitimately one of the most stupid ideas any human being has ever had. It brings circular reasoning to a whole new level.
I don't think you should be allowed to own a firearm.
You don't get to pick and choose who shopkeepers sell firearms to you impossibly stupid boy. Outside of convicted felons, if you have the right to a gun, then so does James the alcoholic wifebeater, Fred the creepy guy who hangs around schools, Denzil the aspiring gang banger and Colin the trigger happy cop.
How can you not understand this? What is actually wrong with you, Amarel?
Guns are the problem. When cops have to interact with a person who is armed with a gun and dangerous, those cops should not carry guns. You can't solve a gun problem with more guns.
Lol. Is this some kind of amateur level reverse psychology now? Am I supposed to say, "No they aren't!!!". I am fully aware that guns are the problem you idiot. If you agree then stop arguing with me.
When cops have to interact with a person who is armed with a gun and dangerous
OK, you can leave too. If you are going to ignore the things that I write and repeat the same fallacies I have already addressed and dismantled then this is not a debate.
If you freely sell guns to the public then you cannot complain when the police need guns to deal with the public. Police in the UK don't need guns because in the UK we don't sell guns to the public. Do you see how that works now, you brutishly stupid, completely circular retard?
Out please. You don't get to ignore my refutations in my own debates.
