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Debate Score:99
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An argument against gun control

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3 points

You’re focusing on guns unfairly Amarel said swimming pools are a bigger problem ,so be careful you’re not the victim of a drive by drowning .....maybe wear a snorkel and flippers on your way down the store just in case .....be safe

Side: True.
Amarel(5491) Disputed
1 point

You are lying again.

I said that an individual pool is more dangerous than an individual gun statistically (I got this from Freakonomics). There are far less pools than guns, so they aren't a bigger problem.

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Jody(1748) Disputed
2 points

You are lying again.

Of course Amarel when you lie consistently it’s the other person lying how foolish of me

I said that an individual pool is more dangerous than an individual gun statistically (I got this from Freakonomics).

What a pile of garbage and appeals to your favorite authority don’t impress me

There are far less pools than guns, so they aren't a bigger problem.

Yawn 😴😴

Side: True.
2 points

an individual pool is more dangerous than an individual gun statistically

What absolutely ridiculous CRAP. You are cherry-picking statistics and abusing the meaning of words, which are the common tactics of sociopaths. There are only ten million swimming pools, 393 million guns, twelve times as many shooting fatalities as drownings, thousands of visitors per pool versus one owner per gun, and your definition of "danger" is one in which stubbing one's toe is viewed to be equally as "dangerous" as a gunshot wound.

Statistics can be warped upwards, backwards and sideways, and worms like you revel in it.

Even when one loads all the input data, as you have done here, the difference is still minimal. Around 2040 pools per injury versus about 2500 guns per injury.

Side: True.
3 points

Gun Control IS Gun Violence. With it you have men with GUNS coming to a persons home and taking property that they own, for defensive purposes, and kidnapping them, throwing them in a cage or killing them if they resist.

The problem is not guns, but people. People's moral code is so screwed up that they are willing to take out a bunch of others because nothing matters, etc. Not to mention the mass shootings that take place are likely, false flag operations to continue the narrative on the whole gun "issue". It is the Hegelian dialectic that is in play. Problem, reaction, solution. This acts to get people on board to give up their rights and freedoms. And it works to a great extent.

Their really is no "control" outside of ourselves. The best way to solve the problems of so-called "gun violence" is education. For Principled people who are wanting to use the weapon as a means of self-defense, this will reduce the amounts of accidental shootings. For those who would commit acts of mass murder, having people in place ready to respond to such acts, is key in reducing those shootings. The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to have a good guy with a gun there and ready, willing, and able to use it to stop them.

The 2nd Amendment was written to recognize and protect the right to self-defense. It was an attempt to codify that right. As was the rest of them. But it has done little to no good because "shall not be infringed" has been shredded in a number of ways through "gun control" bs "laws". And people have allowed it to happen. Now, it has become "just words on paper".

The rest of the English speaking world is jealous of us. They gave up their rights when they allowed themselves to be disarmed. They are effectively, enslaved. They can cry about it to their rulers, but they have no teeth to back it up. We have not, fully, given up those rights.

If the current ruler, Biden, gets his way, cops will be allowed to go in, absent a warrant, and seize peoples property in the form of guns. This may very well kick off an extremely, bloody civil war. It seems Biden is quite bloodthirsty. I'd say that is pretty violent. So, much for "uniting and healing the country", huh? All of that is criminal, but many will go along. We shall have to see.

Side: True.
1 point

Well said.

Check out the Massacre in Dunblane Primary School, Scotland where there are strict gun controls.

If the screwballs and criminals want to get guns they'll get them.

That leaves the average law abiding citizen defenseless.

IN THIS WORLD THERE ARE TWO KINDS OF PEOPLE;- THOSE WITH GUNS AND THOSE WITHOUT GUNS.

Side: True.
1 point

Check out the Massacre in Dunblane Primary School, Scotland where there are strict gun controls.

Oh, you stupid, stupid boy.

The Dunblane Massacre was the event which was used to justify the "strict gun controls" you speak of. They didn't exist prior to that event. Handguns were legal, the shooter used a handgun, and consequently handguns were outright banned throughout the UK, leading to a drastic reduction in overall gun crime.

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Gun Control IS Gun Violence.

😂😂😂

Also on that list: War IS peace, black IS white and chalk IS cheese.

With it you have men with GUNS coming to a persons home and taking property that they own

Are you stupid? There was a handgun ban in the UK less than twenty five years ago and nobody came to my home.

the Hegelian dialectic

It never ceases to amaze me how guys like you think yourselves qualified to run before you've even taken your first baby steps into reality. Stop talking about the Hegelian dialectic and concentrate on learning the difference between up and down.

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1 point

🤣🤣🤣 See the idiotic creature actually stated “The rest of the world is jealous of us “ .......I’m beginning to think that an idiocy chemical is pumped daily into the American water supply

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Jody(1748) Disputed
1 point

Gun Control IS Gun Violence.

What an utterly ridiculous statement

With it you have men with GUNS coming to a persons home and taking property that they own, for defensive purposes, and kidnapping them, throwing them in a cage or killing them if they resist.

Right , you know that Netflix drama you’re watching is not reality

The problem is not guns, but people.

Funny that there’s plenty of people in my gun free country that have no guns so no gun problem , this isn’t rocket science buddy

People's moral code is so screwed

Yet another sweeping generalization

up that they are willing to take out a bunch of others because nothing matters, etc. Not to mention the mass shootings that take place are likely, false flag operations to continue the narrative on the whole gun "issue".

What a load of bollocks all stated with zero evidence to back it up

It is the Hegelian dialectic that is in play.

“ Hegelian dialectic “ you probably think that’s a German breakfast cereal

Problem, reaction, solution. This acts to get people on board to give up their rights and freedoms. And it works to a great extent.

Their really is no "control" outside of ourselves. The best way to solve the problems of so-called "gun violence" is education.

It’s not , it’s to address inequalities in society just to start

For Principled people who are wanting to use the weapon as a means of self-defense, this will reduce the amounts of accidental shootings. For those who would commit acts of mass murder, having people in place ready to respond to such acts, is key in reducing those shootings.

And on and on it goes

The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to have a good guy

with a gun

Yes and “a gun is a tool “ etc , etc I’ve heard all this bullshit before

there and ready, willing, and able to use it to stop them.

The 2nd Amendment was written to recognize and protect the right to self-defense. It was an attempt to codify that right. As was the rest of them. But it has done little to no good because "shall not be infringed" has been shredded in a number of ways through "gun control" bs "laws". And people have allowed it to happen. Now, it has become "just words on paper".

😴😴😴😴😴

The rest of the English speaking world is jealous of us.

Are you for real , the US was reduced to a laughing stock under Trump

They gave up their rights when they allowed themselves to be disarmed. They are effectively, enslaved.

Well you live in the 126th least peaceful country in the world we don’t

They can cry about it to their rulers, but they have no teeth to back it up. We have not, fully, given up those rights.

I’ve never cried to own a gun in actual fact there would be mass demonstrations if such was proposed

If the current ruler, Biden, gets his way, cops will be allowed to go in, absent a warrant, and seize peoples property in the form of guns. This may very well kick off an extremely, bloody civil war.

Great slaughter each other to extinction and let the rest of us live in peace

It seems Biden is quite bloodthirsty. I'd say that is pretty violent.

Biden is violent 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Trump has blood on his hands over covid and also an abuser and most likely rapist his best buddy was Epstein , it’s obscene the way people like you attack Biden but praise a draft dodging scum bucket

So, much for "uniting and healing the country", huh? All of that is criminal, but many will go along. We shall have to see.

Yes “many will go along “ you’re a brain -washed cretin mate

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The problem is not guns, but people

When Americans say stuff like this I just want to slap them in the face. Just so stupid. The problem is giving guns to people.

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Kitk34(185) Disputed
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What an utterly ridiculous statement

How so? I followed it with a description of exactly how it is violence.

Right , you know that Netflix drama you’re watching is not reality

So, you have nothing to refute what I described. Got it.

Funny that there’s plenty of people in my gun free country that have no guns so no gun problem , this isn’t rocket science buddy

But you do have a problem with "government" locking people down, keeping them prisoner in their own homes. If not where you are, it is going on in other so-called "gun-free" countries. The fact is, you do have guns, they are just in the hands of enforcers who work for your rulers.

Yet another sweeping generalization

But a sad Truth.

What a load of bollocks all stated with zero evidence to back it up

Do you know what a false flag operation is? Or a Psy-op?

“ Hegelian dialectic “ you probably think that’s a German breakfast cereal

And yet, I described how it works.

It’s not , it’s to address inequalities in society just to start

What is? The Hegelian Dialectic? With the invention of the Colt, called "the great equalizer" for a good reason, it addresses "inequalities of society". And this does not change what I said concerning proper education towards the handling of firearms.

And on and on it goes

And yet still true.

Yes and “a gun is a tool “ etc , etc I’ve heard all this bullshit before

Look, the first people who should disarm are those in "government" then, maybe the rest of us will consider it. But that will never happen.

😴😴😴😴😴

Again, you got nothing to refute this Truth.

Are you for real , the US was reduced to a laughing stock under Trump

I never recognized Trump as a rightful ruler. There is no such thing outside of the Individual ruling themselves and their property.

Well you live in the 126th least peaceful country in the world we don’t

I would rather have True Freedom, that can lead to real peace, then, give up my rights for a little security. When you do that, you will have and deserve neither Freedom, peace, nor security.

I’ve never cried to own a gun in actual fact there would be mass demonstrations if such was proposed

Likely, those protests would be put down with the force of arms from enforcers of your rulers, if those protests are done without permission of the "authorities" in a given area. That happens here too.

Great slaughter each other to extinction and let the rest of us live in peace

There are those who would love to see that happen, and Biden is just another puppet to bring that chaos into fruition. But it would, ultimately, be up to those who are the enforcers for his so-called "laws" to decide not to enforce them, in order to keep that from happening. Unfortunately, there are those who will do his bidding, and they will have blood on their hands.

Biden is violent 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Trump has blood on his hands over covid and also an abuser and most likely rapist his best buddy was Epstein , it’s obscene the way people like you attack Biden but praise a draft dodging scum bucket

Trump is a flip flopper. He was a major contributor to the Clinton Foundation, and a friend of theirs. He was a New York Liberal before he switched "parties". And that was probably because Hilary stood in his way to become the Democratic Candidate. He was just as much a puppet as Biden is, now.

I have never defended nor trusted Trump. I didn't vote for him or Biden. One is no less evil than the other. And a less evil is still evil, anyway.

Yes “many will go along “ you’re a brain -washed cretin mate

Why? Because I am pointing to all the brainwashed people who will go along? It sounds more like you are under such mind control or "brainwashing".

Side: True.

I've always said, blame anything but the guns ;)

Side: True.
1 point

Government statistics show that you dumb shits are, as usual way off on a tangent.

Homicides by handguns;-6,368.The majority of this figure is made up of turf war KILLINGS between black drug dealing gangs.

Don't forget, B.L.M.

Homicides with rifles, including so called assault type rifles;-364.

Murders with knives or other cutting implements;-1.476.

What about cutlery control?

Or, the seizing of the estimated 300 million hand guns?

Side: True.
2 points

Wow! Amarels aunt makes better arguments than him

Why are education costs so high in the US if this is the end result?

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Amarel(5491) Clarified
1 point

Government subsidized student loan programs increased demand for higher education and provided guaranteed payments to colleges which removed market incentives for improvement. Increased demand drove up costs. Quality remained steady in the best circumstances. But more broadly, quality decreased to accommodate paying customers who cannot actually consume the higher quality product.

Side: True.
2 points

There ARE no legitimate arguments against REASONABLE gun control. Gun control starts with, first, controlling WHO gets them, second controlling WHAT they can get! Tough job, but, somebody's GOT to do it! We MAY get some help from Covid, many of those who want the worst guns also DON'T want the vaccines. Hopefully, some of the worst of them will die ... before they kill someone. ;-)

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1 point

An argument against gun control

Hello joe:

That's a bit broad, doncha think?? So, I'll go broad too.

Can we agree that the government can prevent you from owning a fully armed tank? You'll tell me if you don't, but for the purposes of my argument, I'm gonna assume that you do..

So, if we agree the government has the power to control tanks, then the question is, to what degree can they "control" tanks, guns, flame throwers, etc..

Certainly, confiscating guns isn't control - it's confiscation.. Words count. So, my argument is about control and not confiscation. In terms of "control", I don't believe you need to carry your guns in the open.. I also don't believe you need an assault style rifle. I say "style" because an AR-15 is functionally, no different than a semi automatic hunting rifle. I also believe that every purchaser of a handgun needs to go through a background check.

So, I'd control guns that way, and you still have your 2nd Amendment..

Yeah, I know.. You really want to own a tank.

excon

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On the one hand:

1. When have I ever posted a serious debate?

2. When have I ever posted a serious argument?

3. Who cares what I think?

4. I have no control over gun control.

5. Have you ever changed anyone's mind on this site?

And on the other hand, I have 5 more fingers ;)

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BurritoLunch(6607) Clarified
2 points

Have you ever changed anyone's mind on this site?

He's changed mine. I would have very happily accepted his pretence of being Jewish had he not kept talking afterwards.

Side: True.
excon(14944) Clarified
1 point

have you ever changed anyone’s mind on this site?

Hello joe,

Yeah... Yours. You just don’t wanna admit it.

excon

Side: True.